Neverwinter Nights Online. (Cryptic Studios)

[Xilren's Twin]

The Lanaar Legacy is the best thing I've seen in the game thus far, either official or Foundry. Creeped me out and wound me up.

Just wanted to second this.  If you haven't done this quest yet, check it out (part 2 of the hidden blade one i think).

[Ironwood]

The Lone Ranger/Cowboy hat for the Rogues is fucking stupid.

STUUUUUUUPID.

[Engels]

Really? I Love it.

I mean, if Cryptic's not gonna make a whole lot of effort to actually BE D&D 4e, go ahead, throw me a Zorro hat and mask.

[Ironwood]

I HAVE DYED IT BLUE AND PURPLE IN DEFIANCE.

I'M SUPER, THANKS FOR ASKING.

[Zetor]

Or, banning is what they learned.

Yeah, banning authors of farms worked great when Paragon tried it in COH.

[Mrbloodworth]

Or, banning is what they learned.

Yeah, banning authors of farms worked great when Paragon tried it in COH.

This comment assumes a rumor is true to begin with, and that this group somehow did not go on to make more games using the same create a content feature set.

[Goumindong]

I didn't even think it was possible to make an exploitive foundry map. I mean it shouldn't be hard to make it not exploitive. Tie drops to encounter difficulty and not monsters. Tie final reward to "average time to complete" and the level of the party completing it(though foundry missions should also give mats and not just the single item). Don't allow users to place chests/loot drops.

[Zetor]

Or, banning is what they learned.

Yeah, banning authors of farms worked great when Paragon tried it in COH.

This comment assumes a rumor is true to begin with.

When it's confirmed by CMs, I'd assume so.
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?197011-Thank-you-cryptic-for-taking-out-the-exploit-maps&p=2693761&viewfull=1#post2693761
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?196541-Temporarily-Suspended-What
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?177542-Foundry-xp-farm-legal&p=2679401#post2679401

That said, it looks like they're not banning farms directly, just "exploitative farms" (I assume stuff like 50 ogres surrounded by traps so they can't move and you nuke them down from range with zero effort). I personally don't mind powerlevelling maps... if people want to get to 60 fast, let them! However, having 10000 farm quests in the foundry smothering all other content is getting a little old.

[Signe]

I don't even know what an "exploitive" foundry map is.  At first I read it as explosive and thought, well, yeah... that could be dangerous.  But it's not, it's something I don't know about.

[Mrbloodworth]

Apparently, the rumor is true. But not as reported here.

People are getting Temp suspended because they made maps that are mass killing mobs that cannot fight back.

IE: Player stand over a pit AOEing mobs stuck in a 1 x 1 box using chained encounters. Something said to be a no no when you boot up the foundry. There is no solution to this in my mind that would not completely gut the tool set.

To be upset about this is retarded. They are upset because they are the true gamers. 

Also, Zetor, Suspended and removal of the foundry items does not equal Banned.

[Zetor]

I didn't even think it was possible to make an exploitive foundry map. I mean it shouldn't be hard to make it not exploitive. Tie drops to encounter difficulty and not monsters. Tie final reward to "average time to complete" and the level of the party completing it(though foundry missions should also give mats and not just the single item). Don't allow users to place chests/loot drops.

It works like that... somewhat. Drops are normal, so if you set up 50 ogres in an enclosed space and AOE them down, you get great xp and loot. The final reward is in fact tied to 'average time to complete' (which is something like 3 minutes for a farm), and is not going to amount to much... but it's really the kill xp that's doing it.

Trying to fight farms can become a nasty slippery slope, as COH found out over 3.5 years. If you remove mob xp+drops (or introduce heavy diminishing returns), people won't play even legitimate foundry content, and will instead powerlevel in 'legitimate' areas. If you try to limit max xp gained per map, you'll just split the farms into multiple quests. If you disallow heavy encounter stacking, the players can use patrol routes to herd enemies together for the slaughter. Etc etc.

[Zetor]

Apparently, the rumor is true. But not as reported here.

People are getting Temp suspended because they made maps that are mass killing mobs that cannot fight back.

IE: Player stand over a pit AOEing mobs stuck in a 1 x 1 box using chained encounters. Something said to be a no no when you boot up the foundry. There is no solution to this in my mind that would not completely gut the tool set.

To be upset about this is retarded. They are upset because they are the true gamers. 

Also, Zetor, Suspended and removal of the foundry items does not equal Banned.

For the record, I don't mind them banning people for obvious exploits (like mobs that can't fight back). Where it starts to get iffy is when you have legitimate farms -- stacked 'hard' melee enemies that can be AOE snared and nuked easily by a small group and gaining huge rewards. You can powerlevel off those almost as quickly as the exploitable quests. The CMs are saying that legit farms aren't going to be harmed... so guess what the Foundry browser will be filled next!

Again, I have nothing against the existence of farms. People want to level fast, whatever, I don't care. I've written a lengthy mad bomber manifesto about this stuff. Ultimately the solution is to have some sort of tag system so that the Foundry can still be used for its intended purpose under the several thousand pages of farms.

[Mrbloodworth]

The CMs are saying that legit farms aren't going to be harmed... so guess what the Foundry browser will be filled next!

I Just vote them down myself. I Could care less about what others do in games. Someone wants to rush to 60, more speed to them.


One thing the foundry search lacks, is group size.

[Zetor]

The CMs are saying that legit farms aren't going to be harmed... so guess what the Foundry browser will be filled next!

I Just vote them down myself. I Could care less about what others do in games. Someone wants to rush to 60, more speed to them.


One thing the foundry search lacks, is group size.

Yes, I also said I don't care about the farming quests -- if someone wants to powerlevel, fine. What I do care about is when you see nothing in the foundry except for powerlevelling missions. To vote them down you need to play them... and even if you vote one down, three more will pop up in its place. COH had fought with this issue for years, and didn't come up with a solution... ultimately people stopped using the MA for anything except for farming.

The foundry search lacks a lot of things; it's probably the weakest point of the entire foundry. And yeah, a tag system would imply support for tagging quests as "solo" or "group". Have you read my mad bomber manifesto?

[Stormwaltz]

Anything else I'm missing?

You can get them from some crafting/profession assignments. I've got a level... 3? one under Leatherworking that nets 200 diamonds every couple of hours.

EDIT: Derp, it's a Leadership mission, "Protect a Caravan."

[Sjofn]

Before I get saddled with a hat, I need to know: can you hide them?

[Ironwood]

That's... a lot of text Zetor.

[Merusk]

Before I get saddled with a hat, I need to know: can you hide them?

Yes, on the char sheet drop-down menu for the item. Same place you find the enchant and change appearance options.

[Draegan]

Anyone play a GWF above level 30/40ish?

[Zetor]

That's... a lot of text Zetor.

That's how mad bomber manifestos are supposed to work 

Seriously though, it's been cobbled together from many posts on the subject, many of them dating back to 2010-2011 in COH. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Etc etc.

[Sjofn]

Before I get saddled with a hat, I need to know: can you hide them?

Yes, on the char sheet drop-down menu for the item. Same place you find the enchant and change appearance options.

Sweet, thanks. I like to be prepared!

[Mrbloodworth]

Anyone worked out the $ to Zen yet?

I can't find the prices unless I give them CC info, and I'm not ready to do that.

[Rokal]

Googled the same thing yesterday and was told 1 Zen = 1 cent (USD).

[Merusk]

Yep, same as the STO prices.  $50 will get you 5300 zen and below that it's $1 per 100 zen. So divide everything by 100 for real cost, which is where the $10 bag rants come from.

[Mrbloodworth]

ah, right.

[Sjofn]

The cash shop prices really are weird. I don't think it's super in my face, thankfully, but the pricings are just so damn weird.

[Riggswolfe]

I just got a pirate hat. 

Where and how are important questions. If it's part of a quest reward then cool! And to whoever said a page or so ago that the f2p model for this game is done poorly I utterly disagree. For poorly done f2p see SW:TOR or several other games but both STO and Neverwinter hit a great balance in f2p in my opinion. They don't cripple you but you definitely get better stuff if you give them cash.

[Threash]

So for Astral Diamonds so far I've figured out I have to:

1) Do the daily foundry quest
2) Do the daily deity thing and the hourly if I can
3) Play the Auction House game Nope

Anything else I'm missing?

Why is play the auction house not a valid option?

[Mrbloodworth]

Honestly, LOTRO is more in your face with the cash shop.

[Sjofn]

So for Astral Diamonds so far I've figured out I have to:

1) Do the daily foundry quest
2) Do the daily deity thing and the hourly if I can
3) Play the Auction House game Nope

Anything else I'm missing?

Why is play the auction house not a valid option?

I can't speak for Druzil, but the AH is really awful interface-wise, which makes me way less inclined to bother with it.

[bhodi]

For AD, I also recommend selling tradeskill-generated people on the AH. It's kind of like a slave market.

[Cheddar]

Deleted my warrior dood and rolled Cleric.  Liking the flow better- guess I will need a new invite to the psuedo f13 guild thingy again.

[Tannhauser]

Cash shop doesn't feel like it's in my face.  Still haven't dropped a dime in it.  The AH sucks hard, it needs some work.  I hit level 20, rented a horse and I'm out on the beach putting holes in pirate boats.  Life is good.

*eyes Malakai's pirate hat with envy...a murderous envy*

[Signe]

Yes and if you see Stabbitha on Wormflayer she needs an invite, too.    I'm making a PvP char.

Bah.  MINDflayer!!!

[Malakili]

Cash shop doesn't feel like it's in my face.  Still haven't dropped a dime in it.  The AH sucks hard, it needs some work.  I hit level 20, rented a horse and I'm out on the beach putting holes in pirate boats.  Life is good.

*eyes Malakai's pirate hat with envy...a murderous envy*

It drops off one of the bosses in the Crypts 5man, I can't remember the full name of the dungeon.