Neverwinter Nights Online. (Cryptic Studios)

[Ginaz]

Looks like they have an armory type thing.  It displays character information and even allows you to craft, use the AH and read/send mail while not in game. Nice.

https://gateway.playneverwinter.com/#/characterselect

[Merusk]

Yep, they announced that in the last beta.

Apparently since I didn't spend $200 I don't get to play until Saturday. Ah well.

[Falconeer]

Who... who in hell really spent 200?! 

[Lantyssa]

To play as Drizz't.  Also, some guy spent enough ON TOP OF the premium Founders Pack to craft his way to 60 already.

[Ginaz]

To play as Drizz't.  Also, some guy spent enough ON TOP OF the premium Founders Pack to craft his way to 60 already.

That must have been expensive as fuck.   There's already more than a few poop sockers that are now 60.  I'm only at 22 so far I thought I was pushing it, at least for me.

[Falconeer]

So wait, only the 200$ people could enter before today? Ginaz, I am looking at you...

[Malakili]

To play as Drizz't.  Also, some guy spent enough ON TOP OF the premium Founders Pack to craft his way to 60 already.

That must have been expensive as fuck.   There's already more than a few poop sockers that are now 60.  I'm only at 22 so far I thought I was pushing it, at least for me.

Power leveling in a Cryptic game seems like an odd choice.  Their leveling content is usually not bad in my experience, but it is usually not particularly repeatable, and the end game is usually limited at launch.  Crash through it all during headstart without really bothering to enjoy what good stuff is there and I can see a whole of lot upset people who spent 100s on the game feeling like they've got nothing to do after the first two weeks.

[Zetor]

So wait, only the 200$ people could enter before today? Ginaz, I am looking at you...

I didn't play $200 and I could play before then, since they let all Foundry beta players in for the 5-day headstart (probably so we could make sure our quests were working OK for launch). I think they also gave alpha players the 5-day headstart, but I'm not sure.

[Ginaz]

To play as Drizz't.  Also, some guy spent enough ON TOP OF the premium Founders Pack to craft his way to 60 already.

That must have been expensive as fuck.   There's already more than a few poop sockers that are now 60.  I'm only at 22 so far I thought I was pushing it, at least for me.

Power leveling in a Cryptic game seems like an odd choice.  Their leveling content is usually not bad in my experience, but it is usually not particularly repeatable, and the end game is usually limited at launch.  Crash through it all during headstart without really bothering to enjoy what good stuff is there and I can see a whole of lot upset people who spent 100s on the game feeling like they've got nothing to do after the first two weeks.

If they rush through and get to 60 in the 1st day or two and then start bitching about having nothing to do, they can go and fuck themselves.  MMOs would be a better place if those type of people never played.

[Ginaz]

So wait, only the 200$ people could enter before today? Ginaz, I am looking at you...

I did.  Just like when I bought TSW lifetime, I won a few hundred dollars at the casino a couple months ago around the same time I started to get interested in this game.  I don't drink, smoke, use drugs and rarely gamble so I spend my money on stuff I like.  And in case you haven't guessed,  I'm not married and have no children, either.

[Threash]

The 60 dollar people went in today also.

[Shatter]

so...this thing any good?

[Stormwaltz]

(BALEETED)

[Hoax]

so...this thing any good?

From the outside looking in and from playing it and watching it played during beta. Not even close. Its horribly generic and nothing special in the combat department and the character creation is quite lackluster. Feels like a shitty cash grab with nothing actually to do with the NWN name.

[Shatter]

so...this thing any good?

From the outside looking in and from playing it and watching it played during beta. Not even close. Its horribly generic and nothing special in the combat department and the character creation is quite lackluster. Feels like a shitty cash grab with nothing actually to do with the NWN name.

Good enough for me, thanks for saving me some $$

[koro]

For what it's worth, I thought NWO's combat was very very good; better than TERA's by a long shot.

Everything else, however, is pretty shit.

[Zetor]

For what it's worth, I thought NWO's combat was very very good; better than TERA's by a long shot.

Everything else, however, is pretty shit.

This, with the note that the Foundry is actually pretty darn impressive. It's basically near-NWN levels of modding in a MMO (minus scripting and custom assets, of course). Too bad it's sorta wasted on an otherwise-unimpressive f2p ARPG.

[UnSub]

so...this thing any good?

From the outside looking in and from playing it and watching it played during beta. Not even close. Its horribly generic and nothing special in the combat department and the character creation is quite lackluster. Feels like a shitty cash grab with nothing actually to do with the NWN name.

Good enough for me, thanks for saving me some $$

It's F2P. You don't have to spend anything to test it out in a few days time.

[Merusk]

Yeah, just download it and give it a try on Tuesday.   I enjoy it but I'm not looking for some deep hour-sucking diversion anymore.  MMOs enjoy being 'complex' just to suck time and I'm done with that.

[Ironwood]

I agree.  And they end up being not that complex anyway, just fucking annoying.

God we're old.

[tmp]

For what it's worth, I thought NWO's combat was very very good; better than TERA's by a long shot.

Can you elaborate on that?

[koro]

For what it's worth, I thought NWO's combat was very very good; better than TERA's by a long shot.

Can you elaborate on that?

It's more of a "gut feeling" thing I guess. I really didn't like how TERA's melee combat worked, which was basically a sheet of hotkeys with click-to-attack. I didn't like having to constantly juggle a dozen abilities while also having to engage in split-second dodging maneuvers. I liked NWO's smaller active skillset and MOBA-style key setup a lot.

I dunno, it just flowed better for me.

[luckton]

How "obtrusive" is the cash shop stuff?  Like, is there an advertisement on basically every aspect of the interface?

[koro]

From what I recall, it's no Turbine game, but it definitely doesn't let you forget it's there.

About half the vendors in the game only accept dilithium questionite astral diamonds, though. I think there are some who only accept Zen, but I can't remember.

[Ginaz]

How "obtrusive" is the cash shop stuff?  Like, is there an advertisement on basically every aspect of the interface?

Its not as obtrusive as, say, SWTOR with the cartel coin thing prominently displayed in front of you at all times but there are buttons in the UI that take you directly to the cash shop.  You can buy astral diamonds for zen (RL cash bought currency ie cartel coins) and vice versa, similar to what GW2 has in place.

[Stormwaltz]

I find it more intrusive than STO, but less so than LotRO if you're not a subber/lifer. My primary annoyance is that more than half the vendors trade in alternate currencies - astral diamonds, trade bars, symbols, etc.

You remember how ugly LotRO's currency system got after a few years? Two or three currencies added for every zone, plus at least one currency for each festival? They're launching with that level of mess.

[Ginaz]

I find it more intrusive than STO, but less so than LotRO if you're not a subber/lifer. My primary annoyance is that more than half the vendors trade in alternate currencies - astral diamonds, trade bars, symbols, etc.

You remember how ugly LotRO's currency system got after a few years? Two or three currencies added for every zone, plus at least one currency for each festival? They're launching with that level of mess.

Yeah, the currency system can be confusing.  Gold is pretty much useless it seems.

[Merusk]

Currencies:
* Gold - good for buying "Kits" that you can use to loot off-class Crafting nodes and Crafting basics as well as some white-quality gear, companions and mounts.
* Astral Diamonds - Exclusive Auction House Currency, also good for some minor armors, Enchants, Companion Runestones, ID scrolls, & Teleport scrolls
* Seals - Different types for each gear tier, Lion, Pegasus and I don't know what's after that.  Basically it's the Valor tokens of old WoW
* Trade Bars - Only recently saw these, look like it's good for Purple gear at max level
* Zen - PWI's usual cash shop surrogate currency.

It's overly cumbersome, to be sure.  All you really NEED to worry about are AD and Zen, though.   Right now I'd invest in $50 worth of Zen, sell 1-2,000 of it for AD and use the rest to expand your bank and buy some tradeskill boosters.   Zen is converting into AD at 1 for 500 right now as Founders look for something to spend their AD on and for whatever reason don't seem to want to put more cash in for the zen store stuff.  That's the max the store will let you sell it for so it's bound to go down, letting you convert that 1mil AD in to zen for 200-300 diamonds.  Congrats, you profited.

Just don't fall for the key trap, same as in STO.

[Goumindong]

For what it's worth, I thought NWO's combat was very very good; better than TERA's by a long shot.

Can you elaborate on that?

It's more of a "gut feeling" thing I guess. I really didn't like how TERA's melee combat worked, which was basically a sheet of hotkeys with click-to-attack. I didn't like having to constantly juggle a dozen abilities while also having to engage in split-second dodging maneuvers. I liked NWO's smaller active skillset and MOBA-style key setup a lot.

I dunno, it just flowed better for me.

Is there animation canceling and proper dodging? Because if there is i might play this.

Basically i really want to play a game which plays like League of Legends except is a long play RPG, really hard to find though.

[Stormwaltz]

Dear Neverwinter,

Thanks for sending me in-game mails telling me about new things I can do as I level up.

Please stop spamming the same messages to my real-world email as well.

Love,
Me

[Ingmar]

How "obtrusive" is the cash shop stuff?  Like, is there an advertisement on basically every aspect of the interface?

Its not as obtrusive as, say, SWTOR with the cartel coin thing prominently displayed in front of you at all times but there are buttons in the UI that take you directly to the cash shop.  You can buy astral diamonds for zen (RL cash bought currency ie cartel coins) and vice versa, similar to what GW2 has in place.

As an aside you can shrink and move SWTOR's store thing with ui customization to the point of making it essentially invisible.

[Zetor]

How "obtrusive" is the cash shop stuff?  Like, is there an advertisement on basically every aspect of the interface?

Its not as obtrusive as, say, SWTOR with the cartel coin thing prominently displayed in front of you at all times but there are buttons in the UI that take you directly to the cash shop.  You can buy astral diamonds for zen (RL cash bought currency ie cartel coins) and vice versa, similar to what GW2 has in place.

As an aside you can shrink and move SWTOR's store thing with ui customization to the point of making it essentially invisible.

Yeah, but you still get the "IF YOU WERE A SUBBER, YOU WOULD GET REST XP HERE, BUT YOU AREN'T A SUBBER, SO YOU'RE NOT GETTING ANYTHING. HA HA HA" type messages on your screen all the time...

[Ingmar]

Ah well, I don't see that stuff. 

[Ironwood]

It's fairly horrendous.

[kildorn]

I think I saw a bit of it with the SWTOR expansion's early release. For whatever reason my preorder didn't process in time, so I had constant "CONGRATS ON LEVELING! YOU SHOULD TOTALLY BUY THE EXPANSION!" messages living under my chat window for the weekend.

For Neverwinter, it's just currency litter all over the place for no reason. Combined with how much I loathe the Zen store functionality (buy Zen, then move Zen to a game, then use it in that game. Wait, why isn't it just a fucking wallet and I can spend my Zen in whatever game I want without having to move it to that game? WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH MAKING A USABLE INTERFACE?!