World of Tanks

[Sir T]

I've had dozens of games where there were 5 or 6 KV-1s A SIDE. The don't scare me as such as I know where to hit them with my highly accurate guns but DAMN they are everywhere, and they hit like a mule if you let them.

I've just uinlocked the AMX M4 45, the french tier 7 heavy. First couple of games were me on the top level and resulted in a quick death. The thing seems to rely on not getting shot at at all. Its already fast though. Suppose I'd best get used to doing mobile fire support and running around to plug gaps. I'm kind of ambivalent about the French tanks so far. The overall lack of armour is really grating, but my experiments with the Tiger haven't exactly been stellar either. I dunno how you can 1 V 1 another heavy with the AMX, but it certainly has potential. Thing is half my games with the ARL 44 ended up with me running forward and just dying horribly.

As for the Lowe, they were really REALLY taking the piss with the changes to that tank. Its literally now 30% taller than any tank on the battlefield, and the only chance to get a hurt on is to fire where no-one can see you, which is impossible as it has the camo value of the death star. MY last game with it I climbed the kill on Marikovka and literally scraping he red line of the map edge, and every single thing on the map could shoot me. It's REALLY starting to piss me off. I mean its still a decent money earner but fuck sake, I don't want to be covered with explosions the second sixth sense goes off. And you can forget getting away, the thing now grinds up any gentle slope at 9kph, and there is no gun depression so you cant really hull down at all. The annoying thing is that 4 of my crew have camo ratings of 60%.

Anyway, they are running specials all through August. Here's this weeks if you have money to spare and you are looking for a new money making premium like me

http://worldoftanks.eu/en/news/46/early-august-gift-shop/

[Nebu]

The tier 7 french heavy is a slog to grind through, but the tier 8 is well worth it.  The tier 7 is good training though as you need to adjust to playing them as a large medium rather than a traditional heavy.  I'm playing the AMX 50 120 (tier 9) and it's not great for armor either. 

[Merusk]

Jesus, Neb, how often do you play? You started after me but seem to have gone much farther in many of the lines, not to mention having more creds. 

The 15th anniversary specials are pretty nice.  I might drop the $59 for the 5mil credits just so I can buy my Tier X while it's 15% off.  It's certainly better than the $80 they wanted for 6mil credits last week.

[Mortriden]

As Nebu said above the AMX M4 1945 is a slog, and he's absolutely right it's a total training tank.  You cannot lead a charge in that tank, just like the Tier 8-10 French Hvy tanks.  The paper stats say you have good armor on the Tier 7, but it's a lie.  Your camo values are pretty balls, but not German level of balls.  If you can get a couple of Russian Hvy's in front of you (KV-3's work great) and just blast away at the enemy, you'll be amazed at the performance.  The top 90mm gun is great and carries over into the Tier 8. 

Make sure you begin training your gunner for aim time skills.  The aim time on the higher tier French autoloaders is painful at times. 

Lastly, this is the first tank that will inspire "French Hate".  Get used to it.  Teams will begin to target you first because "FRENCH TANK!  KILL IT!"

[Nebu]

I'll mention this again.  A friend of mine and I platoon almost every night 8-12pm EST if anyone is interested.  We typically play tiers 5-10.

Nebu_f13 if you want to contact me.  We have ventrilo for voice if you're into that sort of thing.

[Amarr HM]

Add me Nebu, I play from time to time. Ign : Blindside

[Nebu]

Add me Nebu, I play from time to time. Ign : Blindside

Happy to.  I think I could learn quite a bit from you.

[Brolan]

As Nebu said above the AMX M4 1945 is a slog, and he's absolutely right it's a total training tank.  You cannot lead a charge in that tank, just like the Tier 8-10 French Hvy tanks.  The paper stats say you have good armor on the Tier 7, but it's a lie.  Your camo values are pretty balls, but not German level of balls.  If you can get a couple of Russian Hvy's in front of you (KV-3's work great) and just blast away at the enemy, you'll be amazed at the performance.  The top 90mm gun is great and carries over into the Tier 8. 

Make sure you begin training your gunner for aim time skills.  The aim time on the higher tier French autoloaders is painful at times. 

Lastly, this is the first tank that will inspire "French Hate".  Get used to it.  Teams will begin to target you first because "FRENCH TANK!  KILL IT!"

QFT.  Also since 8.6 you don't want to be seen first.  Hang back and use other tanks to block shots while you look for an opening.   If stuck on your own use terrain or dead tanks.

[Sir T]

Lastly, this is the first tank that will inspire "French Hate".  Get used to it.  Teams will begin to target you first because "FRENCH TANK!  KILL IT!"

LOL. I've been the victim of French hate since the BDR. It was a little easier because the front armour on those and the ARL were pretty bouncy, but that's not the case here. Seriously, I could be on the very back of the line with 4 other tanks in front of me in the BDR and I'd be covered with explosions. The ARL was just mediocre at best, but I liked the BDR once I get the big gun.

Interestingly enough though, after reading your comment I decided to swap my skills around. Repair isn't very much use if I lose half my health to a single shot, so I changed the repair skill on my driver to Clutch braking. Wow, the tank suddenly came alive. first game after that I spied a hellcat shooting the flanks of the guys in front of me. Not having that! *spin* *swoop* *bang* *oooh* Next game after that I was actually circle shooting an IS with a medium! I died when a friend arrived but it was still fun. Training "smooth ride" on him as the second skill now. I still haven't cured myself of running in like a maniac though. But I'm learning

Oh, all players got a tier 3 Russian premium light today for free, called the "LTP"  . Its actually a really nice sniper tank.

[Mortriden]

I hated my AMX 45, but love the AMX 50 100.  Once you get the 100mm on the 50 100, it shines bright.  The reload is ungodly long, but butchering a Tier 8 Hvy in one mag. is golden. 

Minor bitch about this last weekend's special.  When Premium Ammo goes on sale... my armor is useless.  The E-75 goes from an epic bounce machine to a XP pinata. 

I'm on NA West most nights from 8pm-10pm-ish PST.  Tanks ID: Valhalla01.  Usually running with the Clan for Platoons, but we quite often have an opening.  We use Ventrillo, and Dolby Axion for our Voice Comms.  Similar to Nebu, Tiers 6-10 are our most common. 

[Merusk]

Minor bitch about this last weekend's special.  When Premium Ammo goes on sale... my armor is useless.  The E-75 goes from an epic bounce machine to a XP pinata. 

No more than any other tank, really.   It *was* fun hearing all the bitching about gold rounds this weekend.  They're a part of the game, you can buy them for credits. Stop bitching, know your tank and use proper cover.

Worse than arty crying, honestly.

Speaking of proper cover, I found an awesome spot for American tanks on Himmelsdorf if you start south.  It's around F7, there's a rubble pile where they can't get behind you without cutting through the plaza (leaving them wide open) and your hull is entirely protected.  I was there in my T34 bouncing shots from an IS-7 and E-100. It was glorious.

[Nebu]

Been playing the AMX 50 120.  I don't get this tank.  The AMX 50 100 was a beast in tier 8.  You get to tier 9 and you feel like a neutered version.  I hope to god that the tier 9 gun helps.

[Sir T]

I can't see how it would. I had a look at it. It does more damage per shot but has a lower Rounds per minute value, and is very slightly more accurate.

100mm SA47    Ammo 60    Damage 300/300/400 HP    Pen 232/263/50 mm  Rate 7.4 r/m    Acc 0.36m    
120 mm SA46    Ammo 40    Damage 400/400/515 HP    Pen 257/325/65 mm  Rate 5.33r/m   Acc 0.35m    

[Bungee]

I can't see how it would. I had a look at it. It does more damage per shot but has a lower Rounds per minute value, and is very slightly more accurate.

100mm SA47    Ammo 60    Damage 300/300/400 HP    Pen 232/263/50 mm  Rate 7.4 r/m    Acc 0.36m    
120 mm SA46    Ammo 40    Damage 400/400/515 HP    Pen 257/325/65 mm  Rate 5.33r/m   Acc 0.35m    

RPM won't really matter here (Autoloader), so the damage increase, pen increase and of course higher caliber should actually help a lot.

[Nebu]

Let's not forget the other wonderful thing about the French heavies... if they roll over a small pebble, four modules break and two crewmen die.

I think the pen increase alone will help.  I'm burning through way too much gold between the 50 120, IS6, and T69 as it is. 

[Pennilenko]

Fuck this game is grindy.

[Nebu]

Fuck this game is grindy.

The object isn't to advance up the tiers quickly.  It's to find tanks that you enjoy playing and play them a lot.  This is your new mantra.

Don't rush past tier 5 or 6 until you understand the game well.  This will help you build up credits and free xp while also learning the finer points of the game.  I can not emphasize this enough.

[Tmon]

Exactly, when you find a tank you enjoy play the heck out of it.  Pretty much anything under tier 8 will bring in lots of money especially if you have a premium account.  I spend a lot of my time just ping ponging between my T29 and M18 after I get the double on the two tanks I'm actually working on leveling.  It means that I will be spending months getting my T57 and Fv4202 but when it comes time that I have unlocked them, I should actually be able to afford them. 

Also, since unlocking about anything up to tier 6 (except arty)  is fairly trivial, it doesn't hurt to try any tree that looks remotely interesting just in case you come across a class or vehicle that turns out to be more fun than you thought it would be.

[Merusk]

On the other hand, you may enjoy higher tier tanks more but need the lower-tier for credit grinding. 

I enjoy the Tier 8,9,10 play a lot more than 4,5,6.  My favorite tank right now is my brand-new T110, followed by the Tier 9 Pershing and a few of my premiums.  There's no way I can play them regularly when it takes 3 kills and a win just to break-even on the credit front, though.   So Premiums and my Me38 Sherman get more play than they once did to subsidize that incredibly fun tank.

Really I should just play the premiums and drop the Tier5 entirely.  A bad game on the T34 or Type 59 still nets me 14k in credits beyond repair costs, something that takes a bit longer to grind on the Tier 5 and 6 side.

[disKret]

Fuck this game is grindy.

Try to level arty - you will find grind. 300k exp from full modules researched tier 9 to tier10 arty, good win play on premium account is around 900xp. WG is plain stupid.

[Merusk]

But, but but.. they removed the XP penalty from Arty, it's not as grindy as it was!!!

(Ignore that they also nerfed accuracy and reload time so you have fewer hits resulting in LESS xp per match than when they had the penalty.)

[Simond]

Fuck this game is grindy.

Get a PzIC, play it all the time.

[Pennilenko]

I'm heavily invested (for me at least) into the Russian tree. I have an A20 (planning on moving into the lights), KV1, KV-1S, KV-3, IS-6 Gold, SU-85, and a couple of low tier SPGs.

I do enjoy the matches with my tanks, I just have a problem with wanting to try new tanks sooner rather than later.

[Nebu]

Have I mentioned that the 'grind' is much easier when you platoon with cool people?   

[Simond]

I'm heavily invested (for me at least) into the Russian tree. I have an A20...

Ack, no! The T-60/-70/-80 line also goes to the T-34 and is about a million times more fun to drive.

[Nebu]

I loved the T28.  I just hated that tier 4 has a bitch of a time against 5 and 6.

[Pennilenko]

Have I mentioned that the 'grind' is much easier when you platoon with cool people?   

I have considered that a bunch of times, but I play weird hours and frequently can't use voice because I don't want to wake up my wife when she is sleeping.

[Merusk]

Your frustrated cries of, "YOU FUCKNUTS, WHY DID YOU LEAVE ME ALONE ON  THIS FLANK WHEN I"M BOTTOM TANK!??!" don't do that already?

[disKret]

Your frustrated cries of, "YOU FUCKNUTS, WHY DID YOU LEAVE ME ALONE ON  THIS FLANK WHEN I"M BOTTOM TANK!??!" don't do that already?

I needed to disable the chat to avoid this. After 10 losses in row I start to behave like teenager when Im more rage chatting than playing.

[Tmon]

I loved the T28.  I just hated that tier 4 has a bitch of a time against 5 and 6.

Tier 4 is the hell level for just about every tree.  It's the place where if you are on top you can do ok, but if you are on the bottom you will hate life.  Since you have to grind through a scout tank on most tank trees to hit 5 you will be playing a bottom tier tin can armed with a slingshot more than you can believe.  All I can say is that it was even worse before they changed the match maker to only go +2 tiers for most vehicles and managed to finally nerf arty into near irrelevance.

[Nebu]

All I can say is that it was even worse before they changed the match maker to only go +2 tiers for most vehicles and managed to finally nerf arty into near irrelevance.

I remember.  I played back then.  Playing tier 8's in my KV-1 was not fun.

[angry.bob]

Been playing the AMX 50 120.  I don't get this tank.  The AMX 50 100 was a beast in tier 8.  You get to tier 9 and you feel like a neutered version.  I hope to god that the tier 9 gun helps.

I'm playing the AMX 50 120 myself right now and went back to using the 100mm. It's a much better gun on the 120 than it was on the 100, at least for me. It loads soooo much faster than it did on the AMX 50 100.

Also about the grinding: Yeah, find a tank you like to play in a tier you like to play. I find Low tier games much more enjoyable than high tier games. In fact, the higher you go the less fun they get. Once you get in tier 9 and 10 the games are such serious business that you'd think these people were dying in real  life when their tanks get shot.

[Pennilenko]

All I can say is that it was even worse before they changed the match maker to only go +2 tiers for most vehicles and managed to finally nerf arty into near irrelevance.

I remember.  I played back then.  Playing tier 8's in my KV-1 was not fun.

That is what caused me to take a long break only to come back very recently.

[Abagadro]

The 30 tank kill bonus is fun when you get it with your 34:

Victory!Battle: Himmelsdorf
Wednesday, August 07, 2013 12:09:20 AM
Vehicle: T34
Experience received: 1,443
Credits received: 421,942

[Merusk]

Nice!

I don't play enough to get 30 in a day. I tried on Saturday but was bored after I had 15.