Nebu
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Clan wars are for the top 10% power gamers. The people supporting the game financially are pretty detached from the whole thing.
Don't get me wrong, I see the value in clan wars. It rewards the game's best players for a controlled testing ground of the game's mechanics. I just don't think that it affects the player base in any significant way.
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Tmon
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I'm in a clan but since I play mostly in the early morning I don't do clan wars and don't follow it at all. I don't much care if the Devs listen to the player base since a couple decades in customer facing jobs has taught me that the loudest ones are usually the last ones you want to cater to. However, the changes in mod policy seem to be driven by e-sports concerns and that bothers me. It seems to me that when a game starts catering to the end gamers it becomes less fun with every change.
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kildorn
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The mod policy is less esports and more removing the top offenders in shit gameplay, imo. It's always been a bit of a blight that they allowed really major alterations to what is essentially a multiplayer team based shooter.
They're not banning very much. Hitskins appear to still be okay, only the new transparent tank models mod is on the chopping block. UI tweaks are okay, but free camera mods are out. All seems pretty sensible.
I will say that the game is far more fun in the T7-9 range for me, and even the 9s are dicey. The higher up you go, the more Serious Business the matches get, and the less fun you have when half a second of back luck or a terrible team results in large credit losses.
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Fuck the mods. Penalize people for AFKing. Start with not giving them any XP or credits, and increasingly long bans for being reported AFK (and documented). They fucking ruin the game far more than mods.
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Nebu
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Fuck the mods. Penalize people for AFKing. Start with not giving them any XP or credits, and increasingly long bans for being reported AFK (and documented). They fucking ruin the game far more than mods.
I'd really like to see the foliage removal and white tanks mods banned. They give the user a pretty significant advantage. The solution to AFK'ers would be to give people 0 xp for not scouting or doing damage regardless if they win or lose. Giving xp for 0 damage hits would also help offset the participating players that didn't pen. Awarding xp for clicking the random battle button is a pretty bad mechanic. |
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Strazos
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Heh, I just purchased a Hellcat today, but whatever, crush my dreams.
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Merusk
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Heh, I just purchased a Hellcat today, but whatever, crush my dreams.
Do NOT sell it when you move-up. I'm on the T25 now and it's just not as fun as the Hellcat and it gets put against tanks that it doesn't do the same insane damage to. Purchased:
'T110E5' successfully purchased. You have spent credits: 6,100,000. Woohoo! Congrats. I blew all my cash a few weeks ago and am poor again. 145k/ 3.1 million for my Pershing.  I'm still 100kXp away from the T110 and jealous of you. |
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Good news is the M103 is a good tank and the grind doesn't feel too onerous. I refused to really grind the money either- I just ran my doubles, added in a couple of extra 59 and T34 games, and didn't spend. I got there eventually.
I didn't hate the T25 AT...a serious change from the Hellcat though. The T25/2 OTOH is just a fucking terrible tank. Almost done with it and can't wait to sell it.
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Strazos
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Do NOT sell it when you move-up. I'm on the T25 now and it's just not as fun as the Hellcat and it gets put against tanks that it doesn't do the same insane damage to.
That's how the Hellcat feels at the moment, but I'm going to have to grind up the better guns - basically a bigger T49 at the moment. |
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Just make sure you don't use the speed to get yourself in trouble. It is so tempting to zoom out in front and shoot stuff, but you will get melted doing that. Instead, zoom around engaged tanks and shoot them in the sides or rear and then zoom off again.
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Merusk
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Do NOT sell it when you move-up. I'm on the T25 now and it's just not as fun as the Hellcat and it gets put against tanks that it doesn't do the same insane damage to.
That's how the Hellcat feels at the moment, but I'm going to have to grind up the better guns - basically a bigger T49 at the moment. Yeah, when I first got the Hellcat I thought it sucked. The first gun upgrade made me feel better but when I popped the top engine in it was a whole new game. Then I got the last gun.. 18r/min  Like Way says, learn to shoot and scoot in it. It's weak on armor but it's mobility is phenomenal. You'll be around, behind and on the other side of the battlefield in short order. Good news is the M103 is a good tank and the grind doesn't feel too onerous. I refused to really grind the money either- I just ran my doubles, added in a couple of extra 59 and T34 games, and didn't spend. I got there eventually.
I didn't hate the T25 AT...a serious change from the Hellcat though. The T25/2 OTOH is just a fucking terrible tank. Almost done with it and can't wait to sell it.
Yeah, I'm enjoying the M103, it's just got such a weak glacis plate and I never can seem to find a good opportunity to be in cover or top-down. The T25/2 is what I'm on and agree. It's got too little damage for its tier and is way too slow. I think it's to punish you for the awesomeness of the Hellcat. |
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kildorn
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The 25/2 is on paper pretty terrible. It oddly overperformed for me as far as actual in game stats went. Because it's a godawful fucking tank. The 28p is also godawful unless you already have the better guns unlocked from the 28 proper.
edit: you know what? I'm going to take the unpopular position. AFKers are fine. They don't bug me nearly as much as flat out SHIT players. I'm talking the guy pointing his gun at a ridge while you take fire from two tanks five feet to the left of him in clear sight? FUCK THAT DUDE.
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angry.bob
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AFKers can be frustrating, but lets be honest here. An AFK is about as useful as a full 1/3 of the people on the average pub team. Taking that into account they bug me a lot less. What really pisses me off is when some clanfag platoons with a clanmate in a tier 1 tank and drags them into a tier 8+ match. Then both of them go hide in BFE and act suprised when people give them shit for it.
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apocrypha
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I teamkill those tier 1 guys, every time.
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I teamkill those tier 1 guys, every time.
The best way to do it is to wait until the level 1 asshat has left the spawn area, then shoot him from your own spawn. That way if his buddy decides to take revenge, he will get far more severe punishment |
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angry.bob
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I teamkill those tier 1 guys, every time.
I'd be careful... I've had my account suspended twice for doing that. Though I've always killed the higher tier guy first, then one-shot the low tier guy. Then I'm blue and fighting half my team so I'm sure there were always lots of complaints. I guess as long as I don't kill both of them it wouldn't cause such a shitstorm. |
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As long as you don't kill him in either spawn circle, you can kill 1 and never turn blue AFAIK. Maybe there is some sort of behind the scenes counter for team kills that would eventually trip, but it would take quite a few I think.
Speaking of team damage- need a Object 263 (and 4 or 5 others) for Master Tanker. FINALLY see one on the other team, and even got snuggled up next to him in my Batchat between 2 rail cars on Port so he couldn't get his gun on me, while I shot him in the side. I had him about half dead and was reloading when the GwTiger on my team decides to 'help' me and lobs an arty shell in. Which of course fucking TRACKS ME and releases him to turn and shoot at me. I tried to get away but he basically 2 shot me.
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Strazos
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Mark me down as one of the people still enjoying the game and not caring about Clan Wars.
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Nebu
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You guys are reminding me that I need to platoon with you all more.
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Strazos
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So...unlocked my Tiger.  Now I just have to find the money for it.  |
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Sir T
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I played for the first time in a couple of months yesterday. I have to admit I had great fun in my lower tier tanks It just does not seem to matter as much when you are zipping along in a Panzer II. That said my Lowe is pure love. I doubt I'll ever actually grind up a high tier tank since I have it. I dont play enough to do it anyway.
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Merusk
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High tiers are always nice for how durable and slotted the tanks are in their roles. The lower tiers are fun just for how zippy the tanks are. Something about T8 just works in terms of both rewards and gameplay, though. All my most favorite tanks so far have been in that tier.
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6-8 are the sweet spot for me. Although there are some goddamned terrible tanks in that tier to suffer through.
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Nebu
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6-8 are the sweet spot for me. Although there are some goddamned terrible tanks in that tier to suffer through.
I agree. I have a bunch of 8's open now with no desire to grind to 9. I think I may stay in 6-8 until I leave. |
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Tmon
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I mostly prefer to play tiers 7 and 8 with a sprinkling of 5s and 6s that can be fun. I have a few 10s that I play once in a while and I'm still working my T-54 up to get the T-62.
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WayAbvPar
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I can't bring myself to play more than 5 or 6 matches a day this week. I would rather be playing War Thunder. Also, I discovered the key to inflating win rates- tank companies. Ran a few with Jaguars a couple of days ago, and it was all greens and purples (and my yellow ) vs a sea of reds and oranges. Only one match were we not favored by 95% (although we managed to lose the first one we played against a terrible team who loaded one side and speed capped). The tier 6 companies are like 11 people too, so you can load a team pretty easily. |
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kildorn
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My view on War Thunder is that I will enjoy it far more with a larger playerbase to stop the pretty constant issue I have with high tiers being thrown in with the low tier mixes and winding up having like, 20 air to air kills.
As for WoT: 6-8 are indeed the point where most tanks feel capable of contributing, but you don't have so much on the line that shit teammates make you rage at the game. It's basically just fun and everyone gets to shoot tanks.
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Not to get too far into WT (since we have a thread for that), but I can't find a penalty for leaving a game immediately. So I just bail out if I see jets on the other side and start a new game.
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Strazos
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Half-off on the M12? Looks like I need to grind my arty this weekend.
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Nebu
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Ram II and T14 are on sale this weekend. Is either worth buying if I don't need them for crew training? I've been playing the T1 to grind credits but wondered if these might do better.
Input appreciated.
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T14 is fun if the matchmaking is kind to it. You'll get a lot of Steel Walls. Gun is a bit underpowered but has a high rate of fire and practically infinite ammo. For its tier it's a good earner but a well played tier 6-8 game will get you more.
I've not got a Ram II so I can't say anything useful about that!
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Tmon
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Don't bother with either. They earn okish money but neither compares to the Russian Churchill for earning power.
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Nebu
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Don't bother with either. They earn okish money but neither compares to the Russian Churchill for earning power.
Thanks. I've been playing my elite T1HT for cash lately and may just stick with that. |
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One tier higher, but the Easy 8 is a good cash tank too.
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