Safes + concealment?

[Tale]

I've got about 45 guns and about 6,000 rounds of ammo

I'm calling the police.

Eh, my parents have about 25 guns and tons of ammo in their own safe back home (which they also acquired through inheritance and cheep purchase).  Welcome to America 

Nutjobs.

[SnakeCharmer]

Mostly for aesthetics, is the reason for hiding them.  Don't really want to be looking at a wall of safes when in my home office/man cave.

[FatuousTwat]

We have around 20 guns that haven't seen the light of day in a long ass time, they are all inherited.

Funny story about a gun safe... My step-grandfather lives in a semi-remote location and used to go on multiple vacations a year, so his house would get broken into quite often (4 times or so in about 10 years). He decided to buy a gun safe. Some stupid fucking moron broke in a few months later and decided to bust the lock off with a sledgehammer thinking it would magically pop open. Oh, and did I mention every time he called the police they just showed up, looked around for about 10 minutes and said there was nothing they could do? AWESOME.

[apocrypha]

Just paint it pink and put a Somebody Else's Problem field around it.

[Tale]

I've got about 45 guns and about 6,000 rounds of ammo

my parents have about 25 guns and tons of ammo

We have around 20 guns

Apparently I have to revise my thinking from "those crazy Americans all have a gun" to "those crazy Americans have at least 20 guns each".

[Quinton]

Some of us crazy Americans get by with no guns at all.  I guess the people who own 20+ make up for it.

[schild]

I've got about 45 guns and about 6,000 rounds of ammo

my parents have about 25 guns and tons of ammo

We have around 20 guns

Apparently I have to revise my thinking from "those crazy Americans all have a gun" to "those crazy Americans have at least 20 guns each".

No, crazy americans have one gun.

People who should be in jail have 20. Even if they're hunting rifles.

See you all in politics.

[SnakeCharmer]

You're being a retard, but whatever dude

[Engels]

I'd understand that amount of guns if they were all antiques or had some sort of historical value, like an old mauser or some such. But 40 guns of of the garden variety sort? Guns are tools, like hammers. There are good hammers, bad hammers, and super deluxe special hammers that cost more than the regular hammers, but they all are meant to do just that one thing.

[rattran]

Sure, because a pistol is the same a shotgun is the same as a rifle. In high school, I owned 3 shotguns and 4 rifles for various hunting activities. And a pistol because I could.

[Chimpy]

I'd understand that amount of guns if they were all antiques or had some sort of historical value, like an old mauser or some such. But 40 guns of of the garden variety sort? Guns are tools, like hammers. There are good hammers, bad hammers, and super deluxe special hammers that cost more than the regular hammers, but they all are meant to do just that one thing.

But people looked at my 'collecting' of different types/sizes of hammers when I was a carpenter as being a lot more crazy than the guy who wants to hide an arsenal fit for a platoon.

On the using a bookshelf attached to a door thing, if you have wood floors, or a berber type carpet in the main room that will not show an obvious trail, you can (and probably should) have some casters under it to support the weight. The tricky part is keeping axle of each caster along a radius with the pivot. Making something that is both hidden from all but the most keen eye and also truly functional requires quite a bit of planning and carpentry skill though.

[gryeyes]

Guns survive multiple generations if maintained. If your family collects guns eventually you will end up with fucktons of them. If i had 40 i would just disable the ones i was unlikely to use, wrap them up and stick them in an attic space with the ammo. And then deal with the remainder. Why the fuck is this in politics?

[Sir T]

Sure, because a pistol is the same a shotgun is the same as a rifle. In high school, I owned 3 shotguns and 4 rifles for various hunting activities. And a pistol because I could.

Yes machine gunes are really needed to hunt deer. Well thei are a quick way to make soup, I supppose... 

[pxib]

There are all sorts of reasons to have multiple guns for different types of animals. You shoot a rabbit with a moose gun there'll be nothing left but the ears. You shoot a bull moose with a rabbit gun, he won't even turn around.

Most Americans don't own any guns at all, and the majority of gun owners have one. A tiny minority "collects" because their families have a military or sport hunting tradition.

This thread does not belong in politics. We already have a gun control thread. This is a "how do I hide large, dangerous valuables" thread.

[Ironwood]

  The primary motivation behind the safes are, obviously, safety for my son and his friends. 

I don't understand.

[Merusk]

Boys like to play with guns.

[K9]

Most Americans don't own any guns at all, and the majority of gun owners have one. A tiny minority "collects" because their families have a military or sport hunting tradition.

You forgot the crazies, how could you forget the crazies!

[pxib]

You forgot the crazies, how could you forget the crazies!

I did not!

A tiny minority "collects" because their families have a military or sport hunting tradition.

[K9]

I missed the quotation marks... doh.

[NowhereMan]

Boys like to play with guns.

I think the point is, if that's a priority why the fuck have all those guns.

[gryeyes]

Such a specious implication can hardly be called a "point". I mean if you valued the safety of your children surely you would not own a home with stairs,a swimming pool or a vehicle. All which pose an exponentially greater risk to your child's safety.

[lamaros]

Such a specious implication can hardly be called a "point". I mean if you valued the safety of your children surely you would not own a home with stairs,a swimming pool or a vehicle. All which pose an exponentially greater risk to your child's safety.

Absolutly. But I think the real question is why doesn't SnakeCharmer have 40 cars, 40 swimming pools, and 40 sets of stairs?

I love how everyone has given up on green text now. I can pretend people who are normally just stupid are actually making cutting critical comments at every point!

[NowhereMan]

Of course that's an argument so stupid it doesn't even really need to be in politics. And what I mean by that is that particular argument is just going to involve people calling other people idiots/insane for liking/not liking the same things, though I guess that's the reason the politics forum exists. That and give Ironwood some other dose of disappointing news about the world

[gryeyes]

Absolutly. But I think the real question is why doesn't SnakeCharmer have 40 cars, 40 swimming pools, and 40 sets of stairs?

Good point the number of firearms and swimming pools is completely relevant.

[pxib]

Did I mention that my father's family has a military and sport-hunting tradition? My father is using his mother's gun case as a bookshelf because he'd always considered it too obvious. When I was a kid he had rifles stowed in various obscure locations all over the house. I don't believe there were any in the bathrooms (moisture is bad for them y'know), but every other room was probably hiding two or three... folded into furniture or in secret compartments he constructed. Relatively recently he gave most of them away to his brother, my brother, and assorted cousins. I think.

Good times.

[Jimbo]

My Grandfather was a top ball turret gunner on a B-17, flew 24 missions in Europe, he managed to sneak his service 45 home along with a couple of captured German 9mm.  People keep giving my dad guns since we live out in the country, guess they think we need tons of guns to fight off the corn and soybeans.  Funny thing is my son, my Dad, & I usually just shoot the BB-guns, paint guns, or air soft guns now.  Heck you should see what my son and I have done to our nerf guns, we had a blast at the church youth night nerf wars since our nerf guns could shoot farther and more accurate.

[Tale]

My neighbours keep shouting at each other in Korean, slamming doors and throwing furniture. My boss appears to keep repressed rage under his family man image. Swine flu is approaching from the ports. Two pigeons keep trying to land on my balcony.

Should I buy 40 guns?

[Numtini]

My Grandfather was a top ball turret gunner on a B-17, flew 24 missions in Europe, he managed to sneak his service 45 home along with a couple of captured German 9mm.

Top? That's not the ball. The ball is the ball. Top round glass turret is a flight engineer.

24 missions is early, scary death sentence shit. Cheers to hiim.

[Ironwood]

Boys like to play with guns.

I think the point is, if that's a priority why the fuck have all those guns.

Indeed.  If you're building super sekrit cupboards in your house to hide 60 guns from your own son, well, I actually don't know what to say to that.

I was going to ignore gryeyes for, well, being a cunt, but :  If you want to equate 60 lethal firearms and assorted ammunition with falling down the stairs, crashing a car, or falling into a swimming pool, I also don't know what to say.  I put up Babygates, have my water cover for the pond and keep my car in the garage.  Prior to Elena being born, I sold an awful lot of dangerous shit and put a lot more in storage.  The most dangerous implement in the house is my Elvish Knife, which I love.  If I start to worry about her playing with it, it's GONE.  I don't like it that much.

One thing I will agree with - This thread has a LOT of posts that ought to be lit up green so I actually know who's joking.

Here's my suggestion :  Hire a storage area offsite and transport the firearms the fucking helll out of your house.  Keep 1 or possibly 2 in a small gun locker, combination known only to yourself.  Teach your son not ever, ever, ever to touch your stuff, especially guns, by beating the absolute fuck out of him at regular intervals.  It worked on me.  I don't dare touch my fathers strawberry plants even now and I'm 34.


And Schild was right.  This thread found the right home.

[gryeyes]

If you want to equate 60 lethal firearms and assorted ammunition with falling down the stairs, crashing a car, or falling into a swimming pool, I also don't know what to say.

You are correct they are not equatable. The cars and swimming pools pose a far greater risk. Yet i doubt you would be a piece of shit and question anyone who owned a swimming pool motivation for keeping their children safe. 60 loaded guns poses no greater risk than a single loaded unlocked firearm. And 60 firearms pose no risk at all unloaded and properly stored. So you can stick your sanctimonious ignorance up your ass.

[Sheepherder]

Top? That's not the ball. The ball is the ball. Top round glass turret is a flight engineer.

24 missions is early, scary death sentence shit. Cheers to hiim.

My grandfather figured he's the one looking slightly back, it's a bad picture, but enlarged version's I've seen are certainly suggestive.  This would make the guy in front of him a dead man, because he caught a bullet from a sniper after the camera flash went off.

I say this because this thread is going places.

[Teleku]

I've got about 45 guns and about 6,000 rounds of ammo

I'm calling the police.

Eh, my parents have about 25 guns and tons of ammo in their own safe back home (which they also acquired through inheritance and cheep purchase).  Welcome to America 

Nutjobs.

Hey, we actually had about half of those for a charitable reason!  One of my stepdads friends, who was a hunter, had a very nasty divorce with his wife (she was cheating on him).  He became very depressed and very very angry afterwards.  My stepdad decided it would be a good idea if he bought all his friends guns off him cheep so he wouldn't have access to them, heh.

Anyways, as people have mentioned, guns are something that last many generations, so they will accumulate (and the vast majority of ours are rifles and shotguns.  Only a few pistols).  Most of the guns my family has span the course of the last 60 years (and we even have a really cool old derringer from before the turn of the century).  If you have a big family (such as my stepdads) they grow faster as every boy will want his own gun to go shoot with growing up.

[Ironwood]

If you want to equate 60 lethal firearms and assorted ammunition with falling down the stairs, crashing a car, or falling into a swimming pool, I also don't know what to say.

You are correct they are not equatable. The cars and swimming pools pose a far greater risk. Yet i doubt you would be a piece of shit and question anyone who owned a swimming pool motivation for keeping their children safe. 60 loaded guns poses no greater risk than a single loaded unlocked firearm. And 60 firearms pose no risk at all unloaded and properly stored. So you can stick your sanctimonious ignorance up your ass.

You're not correct.  Or right.

[Jimbo]

I should say that what we do with the guns people give us, is wrap them in gun type socks (oiled cloths), put them out in the barn or attic, along with the ammo (we put them in a different box), and secure the barn.  Of course even if they broke into the barn, they would have to sort threw tons of boxes of stuff in the attic to find them.  The only guns I've kept in my house is a nerf gun, the rest went to my parents house, even the bows are kept over there.

Forgot to mention, great gradfather was in WWI as an artillery crewman in France with the US Army, we have some of his gear (or kit) and a few of his old guns he used growing up on the farm our land used to be.  They were a 20 gauge double barrel shot gun and a single shot 22, both served 4 generations of small game hunting, until one of the barrels on the shot gun broke it's firing pin, it was then retired.

Where was that photo taken at Sheepherder?  Yeah, I had my gun spots mixed up, it was just a "top gun spot" on the B-17.  He was just a gunner, as he told me about Sheppard AFB (which is where I went from some training too), and how they took them on the back of a flat bed truck driving down the road and a guy would pitch a clay up in the air, and grand dad would have to shoot it with a shot gun while the truck was moving.  My other grand parents were in the Navy on the pacific side, one was a cook and one a clerk, they met in San Fran, and got married after the war ended.  My great uncle was a medic with the 101st in WWII, another great uncle served in the Navy in the Pacific on a destroyer, another great uncle got killed during the Battle of the Bulge.  My family has been lucky, we have had a lot of us serve (from the Civil War til 1999) and not many deaths in combat, which is good as we had smaller families than most did.

[Yegolev]

Reading this thread, I'm not so sure the gun collector is the nutjob.