Parenting Fail

[gryeyes]

I think it is more a matter of knowing you cant stop their actions so you try to create an environment where your children feel free to discuss those parts of their life. A male sibling is much more effective at threatening random punks. A fathers disdain will only motivate their daughter to get naked that much faster. An older brother who will actually curb stomp you works out much better.

[Mrbloodworth]

Damn, WUA.. that was better than mine.  I was gonna say the next time you're in bed with your wife, remember that's someone's daughter.   Think about every depraved, degrading, sexual kink you've ever gone through.  All someone's daughters and unless you were trolling for skanks, their fathers were probably just like you.

Those thoughts are half the fun of the depraved acts man...

You both miss the point though. I know my kids are going to do stupid things that I'd prefer they don't. That's part of being a kid. Part of being a parent is making it harder to do those stupid things. My son and daughters are all going to drink, fight, and fuck (to quote a fun song) -- that's part of the experience of growing up. I'm going to try to provide as many safety nets as possible -- from sharing wisdoms, preventing them from sneaking out by the same means that I did, educating them about things like pregnancy and STD's, and scaring the fuck out of lowlife scumbag punks that stop by and try to date my girls.

It's my job and a badge of honor.

Just because they are going to invariably end up drunk, stoned, and fucking (all 3 of them, each in their own way) does not mean I should go out of my way to make it easy and be the parent that says "I can't stop it so I might as well help!" -- no thanks. Plus, scaring teen aged punks is fun for me. Why rob myself of that simple pleasure?

Just put them in this:

[Hindenburg]

Just because they are going to invariably end up drunk, stoned, and fucking (all 3 of them, each in their own way) does not mean I should go out of my way to make it easy and be the parent that says "I can't stop it so I might as well help!" -- no thanks. Plus, scaring teen aged punks is fun for me. Why rob myself of that simple pleasure?

PROTIP: nothing scares the shit out of a kid more than a father who's trying to be hip.

[Teleku]

Just because they are going to invariably end up drunk, stoned, and fucking (all 3 of them, each in their own way) does not mean I should go out of my way to make it easy and be the parent that says "I can't stop it so I might as well help!" -- no thanks. Plus, scaring teen aged punks is fun for me. Why rob myself of that simple pleasure?

PROTIP: nothing scares the shit out of a kid more than a father who's trying to be removing his belt from his hip.

Correction.

That was my experience at least  .

[WindupAtheist]

I question the notion that said lowlife punks are really going to be that impressed by someone doing the whole "don't fuck muh little girl, I own a gun, stupid-worried-dad-on-a-sitcom" routine.

[Grimwell]

I think guns are out of fashion at this point to be honest. They know you aren't going to shoot them so you can avoid jail. I prefer methods like dropping $100 in cash on the coffee table and saying: "See that? If I wanted to buy some kids your age to kick your ass, how many do you think it would get? Hurt my daughter and we will find out."

Just as juvenile, but a bit easier to suspend disbelief on.

Though pretending I'm cool and making them uncomfortable would be funny too. Show up at their hangouts all emo and pretend to be their buddy. Win.

[schild]

Or you could just call the boy's parents and tell them he's trying to stick his dick somewhere you don't approve.

[Endie]

Voodoolily, since you are asking me to clarify for wildly different situations when I was discussing merely changing the sex of the participants, I suppose I should clarify that I would also consider it wrong if the father was trying to force his child of either gendern whether straight, gay, lesbian or transgendered, to have sex against their will with someone or something, mineral, vegetable or particularly animal, or with ronald reagan's corpse, or with the entire crew of the USS Nimitz, or my mum, or with a strawman.  Particularly with a strawman.

[Hindenburg]

if the father was trying to force his child

That's pretty much the crux.

[Fraeg]

My current strategy mainly involves making my daughter wear sweat pants and running shoes.

In my experience, horny teenage boyfriends love sweatpants on their girls.  Pants and belts, however, suck.

Just throwing that out there.

yeah the sweatpants and running shoes is throwing me off.  Is that supposed to enable to run like the wind away from boys?  Or is it supposed to make her less attractive?  As a former horny teenage boy, sweatpants and summer dresses were great.

I only have a nephew, which I get to corrupt with heavy metal.. I wish those of you with daughters the best of luck.

[Polysorbate80]

Large brothers & cousins are the way to go, if your daughter happens to have them.  Preferably in a small town where everyone always knows what everyone is up to, and nobody will say anything if someone crosses the line and has an "accident" out in the back 40 (arranged by said brothers/cousins).

Won't stop the sex, but the boy will respect the girl.  Or suffer for it.

[Hindenburg]

By the same logic, the girl would also hesitate to report any abuse, especially if it's a religious community.

[Polysorbate80]

You appear to know nothing of the inner workings of small towns.  Particularly kids in those towns.

Religious or not (and it's not), they're having sex.  And the kids know who's having sex with whom, and generally what went on, whether you want them to or not.

[gryeyes]

By the same logic

That is the same logic?

[Endie]

Gosh you people are very protective of your daughters.  I'm sure you know this already, but I'm just going to mention it anyway.  In today's hypersexualised culture they're out there re-enacting porn movies first chance they get. 

[UnSub]

There's a club if you'd like to go?  You might meet somebody who really loves you.  So you go and you stand on your own.  And you leave on your own.  And you go home, and you cry and you want to die.

I laugh every time I hear that line.

[Hindenburg]

You appear to know nothing of the inner workings of small towns.  Particularly kids in those towns.

I was a kid in those small towns. The chil'ren know, the adults take quite a bit more time to end up knowing, and are usually left completely in the dark.

[Amarr HM]

Gosh you people are very protective of your daughters.  I'm sure you know this already, but I'm just going to mention it anyway.  In today's hypersexualised culture they're out there re-enacting porn movies first chance they get. 

Serious mass generalisation there, are you inferring parents should be less protective of their daughters cause it's probably going to happen anyway? If so, though I'm sure you are just being perfunctory, it's kind of like saying police shouldn't attempt to prevent crime cause criminals are gonna break the law anyway.

[Endie]

Gosh you people are very protective of your daughters.  I'm sure you know this already, but I'm just going to mention it anyway.  In today's hypersexualised culture they're out there re-enacting porn movies first chance they get. 

Serious mass generalisation there, are you inferring parents should be less protective of their daughters cause it's probably going to happen anyway? If so, though I'm sure you are just being perfunctory, it's kind of like saying police shouldn't attempt to prevent crime cause criminals are gonna break the law anyway.

Nope, what I'm saying is a lot deeper than that.  I'm mildly amused by all the (doubtless humourously exaggerated in most cases) rawr-rawr-so-angry threats about teenaged boys who might try and touch peoples' precious daughters.  If your defence against people seducing little Clara is threats to the boys (or making her dress a certain way) then you lost the battle a decade ago.  Because if she's been watching television and listening to music and absorbing the values of our culture for the last few years then she's already going to fuck the first boy/guy who perms any two from witty/attractive/persuasive/rich/smart.

[Oban]

I hate you all.

[ShenMolo]

He should have planned a weekend in Amsterdam. A street walker? Not very concerned for his lad's health it would seem.

[Cyrrex]

Seems Nevada would have been a better option...cheaper, anyway.  I think.  How much do Nevada hoes go for anyway?  Wouldn't they likely also be cleaner?

[IainC]

Seems Nevada would have been a better option...cheaper, anyway. 

Not if you live in Nottingham.

There are clean(er) whores in Nottingham anyway, you'd have to be really desperate to go near the street girls in Mapperly. If you really want to pay for it and don't fancy the whole 'getting arrested for kerbcrawling and/or having your dick turn green and fall off' thing, then go to the classifieds in the back of the paper and get an escort from an agency. Much less chance of something going horribly wrong for your 14 year old son's first taste of womanflesh.

[Cyrrex]

Oh, oops.  Got it in my mind somehow that this happened on the US's West Coast.

[Endie]

We should probably get this stuff into the F13 wiki as a resource for concerned fathers unsure of how to go about stopping their teenaged sons being so bloody miserable.

[Yegolev]

What if the kid is gay, and the father is trying to "fix" his boy by pushing him into sex with a woman that he paid for? Parents just shouldn't try to manipulate the sexuality of their kids, no matter what. It's fucked up, and it doesn't matter if the kid is male or female.

This is another reason my son is on his own in getting sex.  Maybe he like fat chicks, maybe he likes dudes.  Can't say at this point but in any case it's his problem.

Also, I'm hoping for and will encourage Great Things from the boy, but in the end if he turns out less than he could have been, if he's happy then that's all I am concerned about.  Hanging onto some ideal plan for your own life is bad enough, doing so for someone else is a surefire route to disappointment.

[Polysorbate80]

You appear to know nothing of the inner workings of small towns.  Particularly kids in those towns.

I was a kid in those small towns. The chil'ren know, the adults take quite a bit more time to end up knowing, and are usually left completely in the dark.

Hence why brothers/cousins are the better choice than dad.  They're not going to stop your daughter from having sex (cause, y'know, they're trying to have sex with someone else's sister too) but they'll know if someone is a jackass to her.

[Hindenburg]

Should just give her a deringer. 

[Lantyssa]

I'm all for teaching daughters how to shoot.  You can't stop sex, but you can make sure her boyfriend knows he has to worry about her when he breaks her heart.  And after the first the others will be really skittish.

[voodoolily]

What if the kid is gay, and the father is trying to "fix" his boy by pushing him into sex with a woman that he paid for? Parents just shouldn't try to manipulate the sexuality of their kids, no matter what. It's fucked up, and it doesn't matter if the kid is male or female.

Oh come on, leave your puritanism at the door if you're gonna argue sexual crimes. Parents have always done so under the guise of marriage, which was, frankly, way worse. Does that make it right? Not really, no. Does that make it wrong? I don't know. Sure as hell beats marriage at an early age, or the bestial alternative.   

There was nothing Puritan about my comment, my point was that that parents shouldn't meddle with the sex lives of their kids. By "manipulate", I was referring to the dad interfering with his son's virginity, not his sexual preference. The term "sexuality" doesn't infer homosexuality. 

[Hindenburg]

And what part of my post makes you think that I was talking about gay folk?

[voodoolily]

Parents have always done so under the guise of marriage, which was, frankly, way worse. Does that make it right? Not really, no. Does that make it wrong? I don't know. Sure as hell beats marriage at an early age, or the bestial alternative.   

What is it that you're saying parents have always done under the guise of marriage?

[Hindenburg]

Getting children to fuck at an early age.

[Polysorbate80]

I'm all for teaching daughters how to shoot.  You can't stop sex, but you can make sure her boyfriend knows he has to worry about her when he breaks her heart.  And after the first the others will be really skittish.

Problem is, even here in a solidly red state like Idaho it's illegal for the kiddies to possess a handgun.  After she shot the guy, I'd have to worry about all the prison sex she was getting down at ye olde juvenile facility

Wonder if I could attach one of these to her to prevent penetration by "shaped charges" 

[voodoolily]

Getting children to fuck at an early age.

I don't think this is why parents marry off their children, but then again, I'm  not from a small town.