It's official, Blizzard is retarded.

[WindupAtheist]

In an effort to better balance the amount of players that are in Wintergrasp at any given time, we are changing the daily quests in Wintergrasp to a weekly format. This has led to an increase in the honor reward given by these quests as well as additional Stone Keeper's Shards. These quests will reset every Tuesday morning at 3:00 AM.

There are two known issues that may occur once these changes are pushed to live realms:

The quest mark will now show as gold, even though the quests are repeatable.
After the quests reset, players near the NPC quest givers may need to move out of line of sight in order for the quests to properly appear.

Except these weekly quests would give the same amount of gold as 1 daily, and the honor and shards of about 3 dailies. They apparently can't figure out how to handle a several-hundred-people battle any more than Warhammer can, so the solution is just to make less people want to do it.

B team. Clownshoes. Cracks in the facade.

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[Vash]

Well at least they aren't porting low level/dead people to Dalaran and making them fly back, so they haven't gone full retard yet.... 

I was hoping they would address the issue sooner rather than later, but this is somewhat unexpected. 

As someone who enjoys WG and the massive epic feel to it, I was secretly hoping they would just spend some of their money hats to beef up their servers but very much expecting some sort of craptastic bandaid fix to be on the way.

I fully admit I don't know hardly anything about server tech. but they seem to be hurting really bad for more instance server capacity ever since the launch of WoTLK.  Thus I was hoping server upgrades all around would be a two birds one stone deal.

[Fordel]

Yea, I was emo raging about that last night when I saw it.


I'm hoping they re-think it.

[Nonentity]

Eh, whatever. I never had enough time to do all the dailies every day, so this is fine for lazy people like me. I know a lot of people who didn't even do BGs because the honor on WG was so good.

[WindupAtheist]

They must figure the server shitting itself to death every Tuesday is better than what they have now, for some unfathomable reason, because that's all that's going to happen.

[Modern Angel]

Put Wintergrasp on a different server behind a zone line.

There, problem solved and I know they can fucking do it because they did it wee tiny scale with the honor gear vendors in Org and SW. Chop chop, Blizz.

[kildorn]

The issue isn't WG shitting up the server, it's WG participation shitting up WG.

Still though, massive income nerf and nearly 50% loss in honor and marks from the dailies. Woo. Just take away the WG buff/zone control and make it the new AV. We all hate AV anyways, and it would be fun to be able to do WG without camping the zone in portal.

[Modern Angel]

Oh no. WG can and will shit up higher pop servers. MG comes screeching to a laggy halt when WG cranks up in prime time.

[Xanthippe]

Why don't they just instance WG and cap population on it?

Can't they afford it?

After 4 years, WoW is losing me due to one stupid decision after another.

It's an upside down world when SOE is doing things right and Blizzard is doing things wrong.

[Fordel]

The whole point of WG is no Pop Caps. Otherwise it's just AV 2.0

[Merusk]

No, they can't.  Because of the shard mechanic it's too important to keep it 'real world.'   Instancing w/ cap means you're going to have a lot of angry fuckers who don't get in and then forum troll as their side loses WG because of it.

Pulling it into an instance w/o a cap would be ok, but then runs into the 'too many instances' problem they've been having, I'd guess.

[Rasix]

My care-o-meter is barely registering.  Maybe now I'll bother to do WG once in a while.

I would like it, however, if they level restricted the zone. Competing with lvl 61 characters for ore spawns is highly annoying.

[Gobbeldygook]

Oh no. WG can and will shit up higher pop servers. MG comes screeching to a laggy halt when WG cranks up in prime time.

This.  On high-pop servers like Mal'Ganis and Proudmoore, WG ruins the entire server whenever it runs.  Since WG is on the same Northrend server as every other zone, this is something that affects -everyone- extremely adversely, even people just leveling to 80 for the first time.  I've had reports of server-side lag to the tune of 20+ seconds.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Not really the best solution but b-team, sky is falling stuff....drama much? Wake me up when it's time to care.

[Montague]

Not really the best solution but b-team, sky is falling stuff....drama much? Wake me up when it's time to care.

I really don't care since I'm not subbed anymore, but I'm with WUA on this one. The decision making from Blizzard has really gone downhill lately, and I'm wondering just how much of an impact Tigole's leaving is having.

[kildorn]

Oh no. WG can and will shit up higher pop servers. MG comes screeching to a laggy halt when WG cranks up in prime time.

This.  On high-pop servers like Mal'Ganis and Proudmoore, WG ruins the entire server whenever it runs.  Since WG is on the same Northrend server as every other zone, this is something that affects -everyone- extremely adversely, even people just leveling to 80 for the first time.  I've had reports of server-side lag to the tune of 20+ seconds.

Doomhammer's pretty high pop, and I don't notice it, really.  WG comes to a complete halt, but the rest of northrend seems happy.

[WindupAtheist]

It's not that the sky is falling. It's sort of a "Muhammad Ali around like 1975" vibe. They're still the champ, they'll remain champ for the forseeable future, but they've lost a step. None of their missteps of late have been a really big deal, but they keep making them.

[Fordel]

Oh no. WG can and will shit up higher pop servers. MG comes screeching to a laggy halt when WG cranks up in prime time.

This.  On high-pop servers like Mal'Ganis and Proudmoore, WG ruins the entire server whenever it runs.  Since WG is on the same Northrend server as every other zone, this is something that affects -everyone- extremely adversely, even people just leveling to 80 for the first time.  I've had reports of server-side lag to the tune of 20+ seconds.

Doomhammer's pretty high pop, and I don't notice it, really.  WG comes to a complete halt, but the rest of northrend seems happy.

You're just oblivious. There is a distinct increase in response time when WG is happening. Specifically when it changes state due to a tower/wall destruction or the game being won.

[kildorn]

I just never notice it when I'm not there I guess. I happily hang out in icecrown and don't have any issues.

I will say that there is a decided immediate drop in lag the second the battle is won by either side. Like, instantly all lagged responses become normal for no apparent reason beyond the tanks not being in game anymore.

[Modern Angel]

It's not that the sky is falling. It's sort of a "Muhammad Ali around like 1975" vibe. They're still the champ, they'll remain champ for the forseeable future, but they've lost a step. None of their missteps of late have been a really big deal, but they keep making them.

That's about the best summary of the feeling so far.

[Ingmar]

I just never notice it when I'm not there I guess. I happily hang out in icecrown and don't have any issues.

I will say that there is a decided immediate drop in lag the second the battle is won by either side. Like, instantly all lagged responses become normal for no apparent reason beyond the tanks not being in game anymore.

I always kind of figured the giant end-of-WSG-pause was something to do with a big I/O glut to the database as they hand out marks and honor to everyone.

[Kail]

None of their missteps of late have been a really big deal, but they keep making them.

Blizzard has always made fuck-ups; sometimes some pretty serious ones.  The difference between Blizzard and just about everyone else is not that fuck-ups aren't made, but that they aren't so stuck up their own asses that they can't see/implement the solutions for them.

The thing with the dailies doesn't strike me as a big deal.  The honor from the quests is pretty small compared to the honor from winning the zone, the cash is very low compared to the Argent Tournament (and hell, even compared to vulturing gold off the corpses if you're on foot), the only thing I really get out of them is the Stone Keeper's Shards, which aren't exactly epic lewt at this stage.  If the change fixes the lag in WG then I'd consider this a good change.  If it doesn't (and I suspect it won't) then it's pretty much a wash, for me.

[Modern Angel]

Servers will crash on Mondays as people rush to get them all done at the last minute. Write it down.

[kildorn]

None of their missteps of late have been a really big deal, but they keep making them.

Blizzard has always made fuck-ups; sometimes some pretty serious ones.  The difference between Blizzard and just about everyone else is not that fuck-ups aren't made, but that they aren't so stuck up their own asses that they can't see/implement the solutions for them.

The thing with the dailies doesn't strike me as a big deal.  The honor from the quests is pretty small compared to the honor from winning the zone, the cash is very low compared to the Argent Tournament (and hell, even compared to vulturing gold off the corpses if you're on foot), the only thing I really get out of them is the Stone Keeper's Shards, which aren't exactly epic lewt at this stage.  If the change fixes the lag in WG then I'd consider this a good change.  If it doesn't (and I suspect it won't) then it's pretty much a wash, for me.

It's ~3600 honor for the dailies people do, 30ish gold per day. It's a decent little chunk for very little effort. If you do WG every time it's up, the honor from WG far outdoes it. But a WG + 3 dailies run is about 10k honor for me, and is my usual log in for dailies thing (fuck jousting.)

[Fordel]

Roughly 1200 honour per.


Victory, Siege, 10 Kills, Farm Elementals.


That's a significant chunk.

[Modern Angel]

And just going in without dailies when it's up is STILL the best honor. I don't see much reduction in traffic coming.

[Fordel]

Plus the fact even if you have total shit gear and are a crap spec, you can still drive a tank or man a turret or fling RP-GG's and be useful and contribute.

[Koyasha]

My WoW-interest is running low lately, but if I can't log on and catch one Wintergrasp and get 1250x3 honor plus win/lose honor for it every day, that drops my interest even further.  A couple friends have been wanting me to arena with them, and I figure catching one or two Wintergrasps each day, with the dailies, would help me get geared up for it, but if they're nerfing the dailies, feh.  If they increase honor and cash gain so that one quest is worth 7x what they are now, that's fine, better even for me than it is right now.  Otherwise, fuck that shit and I'm probably going to cancel my least-used account (which I was thinking of anyway, this just kinda pushes me the rest of the way) and put this in as the reason for my cancellation.

[Rendakor]

Wow, this really is fucking clownshoes. When is this bullshit supposed to go live, 3.1.2?

[Ratman_tf]

Blizz should just let world PvP go. It's tripped them up every time so far, for some damn reason or another.

[Paelos]

MMO Champion is reporting quests at ~14g, 3700 honor, and 10 shards a piece now. Outside the cash (which isn't really a good reason to do these) I'm not seeing a huge issue here unless you were a 7 days a week guy.

[Fabricated]

I don't get why they can't just add more hardware and use phasing to basically put WG on its own bit of the serverfarm. I imagine there's some technical reason but rather than fucking up the reasons to even bother with the place they could just decouple its performance from the rest of the server so the thing doesn't fucking explode during primetime when people want to go hit the 2 loot pinatas.

[tmp]

I don't get why they can't just add more hardware and use phasing to basically put WG on its own bit of the serverfarm.

More hardware costs money. Potentially losing some customers pissed over this decision may also cost them some money, but it doesn't come with extra effort involved with setting up the hardware, code changes etc. Perhaps they're running with solution they've estimated to be cheaper..?

[dusematic]

I never thought I would completely lose interest in WoW until something better came along.  I was wrong.  After 5 years WoW is tired.  MMO's are tired.  I'd rather beat off and nap.  Wake me up when MMO's aren't the same stupid derivative crap we've been lapping up since '97.

[Azuredream]

MMO's are tired.

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