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on: May 01, 2009, 08:15:20 AM

So as one event ends another begins.  A few things to note:

1) The "Daily Chores" achievement text is wrong.  It was bugged on test so they changed it from 1 a day for 5 days to "any 5 dailies."  You can get this in a single day now so long as you have your orphan out when you turn in all 5.  Just combine it with the Argent Tournament/ Hodir grind you're already doing.

2) The PvP achievement sucks ass.  You my be the one that clicks the flags in all instances, it's not an aura effect.  This has the twin problem of fucking all battlegrounds as tons of people who only want their violet protodrake flood them without a clue as how to do it successfully, and pissing them off because if you really want to be a dick about it you can click first even after you've got the achievement.   WSG is currently fucked on my BG as both sides camp the flag room waiting for the 1-2 people who just want to run a BG stupidly throw themselves into the meat grinder.  It also means that if you thought people weren't defending the flag in AB before, you ain't seen nothing yet.   

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Reply #1 on: May 01, 2009, 08:26:40 AM

The PvP achievement is the most ass-sucking achievement in any of the holidays ever. It may break my will to play, and I've been happily achievement-whoring along for the last month. Curious I went into a WG this morning, and it was two rooms of completely-turtled defenses waiting for the other group to get tired and give up. About one or two players on each side venturing out with orphans every five minutes or so to see if the other guys were willing to allow a flag capture and getting ass-raped in five seconds. With Eye of the Storm, JESUS: every single player in the middle frantically trying to click the flag, then the person getting being nuked into porridge in a nanosecond. So so so so bad. I wouldn't mind something that took you into a BG, but christ on a cracker, these are awful.
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Reply #2 on: May 01, 2009, 08:38:40 AM

The BG achievement has me pretty pissed, and I've been religiously working on my violet protodrake since Winter's Veil.  Here's hoping that Blizzard removes it from the requirements.

I figured that WSG and EotS would be damn near impossible.  AB I can eventually do due to paladin hax (crusader aura.)  The AV achievement... eh... doable?  Eventually.

I'm glad they fixed the 5 days in a row nonsense.  Not that I couldn't do it, but I imagine it's a problem for some players.
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Reply #3 on: May 01, 2009, 08:54:42 AM

The AV achievement strikes me as doable. AB I already did, that's easy enough. (Just be first out of the gate to the farm/stables).

WG and EoTS? Fuck a bunch of goats. Going to be eye-bleedingly horrible to try and do, even with premades that know their shit.
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Reply #4 on: May 01, 2009, 09:12:07 AM

WSG was easiest, really.  Since you do have everyone turtling and some poor sot does try to capture the flag, just hang in the FR and don't be one of the guys trying to kill.  Stand on top of the sacrificial lamb and furiously right click.  You'll eventually snipe the flag for a return.

EotS will be a clusterfuck of epic proportions. I haven't even bothered trying yet.

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Reply #5 on: May 01, 2009, 10:21:13 AM

I did 2 dailies with my orphan out last night and the achievement was stuck at 0/5. Did they fix it today or something? The wording was exactly the same as the regular 'do a daily 5 in a row' quest when I checked it last night.

I managed to bang out the BG achievements last night (and we actually won most of the games) so at least I don't have that hanging over my head.
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Reply #6 on: May 01, 2009, 10:37:36 AM

Every time Blizzard puts out a new holiday with even more grind/random BS/cockstab than the last I become ever more grateful that my dislike of the achievement system and the holidays in general has caused me to ignore them.  Blizzard designers can take that Violet Protodrake and shove it where the sun don't shine.

I feel bad for the players that want one but honestly if you've played WoW since BC or Pre-BC you had to know this was coming.  The whinning and horror stories of guild members and forum posters that spawn as each new holiday arrives definitely fuels my desire to continue ignoring this crap in a very Schadenfreude sort of way.  Realizing this makes me think I might be the kind of person who might actually enjoy EvE or Darkfail, which is really quite scary.   ACK!
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Reply #7 on: May 01, 2009, 10:50:51 AM

I think they fixed some of the bugs--the Hearthstone achievement wasn't recording properly either until a hotfix early this morning.
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Reply #8 on: May 01, 2009, 10:51:47 AM

Remember, at our core, MMO players are WHINY. It isn't really as bad as we make it sound for the most part. For all the QQ about Noblegarden, I knocked the entire meta out in about 4 hours in one night. That's not really a lot of time to spend on something by MMO standards.

I was primed to cry up a storm about the BG achievement for Children's Week, and again I managed to knock that part out in a single evening - heck the only BG I had to do more than once to get it done was WSG, and we won the extra games so I got a bunch of honor and marks to turn in for more honor, so it is too hard for me to complain about that much. I just wish there was something in Strand for it, that's my favorite BG.

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Reply #9 on: May 01, 2009, 11:44:18 AM

Every time Blizzard puts out a new holiday with even more grind/random BS/cockstab than the last I become ever more grateful that my dislike of the achievement system and the holidays in general has caused me to ignore them.  Blizzard designers can take that Violet Protodrake and shove it where the sun don't shine.

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Reply #10 on: May 01, 2009, 12:04:08 PM

Remember, at our core, MMO players are WHINY. It isn't really as bad as we make it sound for the most part. For all the QQ about Noblegarden, I knocked the entire meta out in about 4 hours in one night. That's not really a lot of time to spend on something by MMO standards.

I was primed to cry up a storm about the BG achievement for Children's Week, and again I managed to knock that part out in a single evening - heck the only BG I had to do more than once to get it done was WSG, and we won the extra games so I got a bunch of honor and marks to turn in for more honor, so it is too hard for me to complain about that much. I just wish there was something in Strand for it, that's my favorite BG.


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Reply #11 on: May 01, 2009, 12:06:03 PM

Tip: speed enchant your boots for the race up the AV towers.

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Reply #12 on: May 01, 2009, 12:09:11 PM

Alternatively, be a paladin.   awesome, for real
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Reply #13 on: May 01, 2009, 12:10:18 PM

Tip: speed enchant your boots for the race up the AV towers.


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Reply #14 on: May 01, 2009, 12:26:07 PM

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Reply #15 on: May 01, 2009, 12:35:12 PM

Learn to paste urls!   why so serious?
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Reply #16 on: May 01, 2009, 12:35:25 PM

Alternatively, be a paladin.   awesome, for real

Or a DK

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Reply #17 on: May 01, 2009, 01:03:25 PM

I only managed to do the AV one so far. WSG was fucking awful, the morons who were there for the achievement couldn't even manage to LET THE HORDE PICK UP THE FUCKING FLAG BEFORE KILLING THEM. I really want the title because it cracks me up, but I doubt I will get the PvP achievement at this point. :(

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Reply #18 on: May 01, 2009, 01:44:16 PM

It'll cool down in a few days.


Or just do it at like 8am server time if you are REALLY desperate.

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Reply #19 on: May 01, 2009, 02:01:06 PM

Worst case scenario we can probably just do a 10 person premade, all sit in the flag room, etc.

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Reply #20 on: May 01, 2009, 02:50:54 PM

EoTS is the worst, easily.

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Reply #21 on: May 01, 2009, 02:58:26 PM

EoTS is the worst, easily.

When I did it yesterday, WSG was much harder, but I imagine the EOTS flag is going to get zergier. It helps to be a class that can live through people chasing it pretty well.

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Reply #22 on: May 01, 2009, 03:19:03 PM

WSG will just happen on it's own eventually really.


EoTS, I eagerly await reports of entire teams going to the middle to cap the flag, then finding out you need to capture a tower to score.

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Reply #23 on: May 01, 2009, 04:02:58 PM

EoTS, I eagerly await reports of entire teams going to the middle to cap the flag, then finding out you need to capture a tower to score.

I had to run EotS twice precisely for that reason; the other team had all of their guys camping the middle and we couldn't touch the flag, so we just four-cornered and won like 108-3000.  I have no idea what the Alliance team was thinking, they just held the flag and the centre of the map for the entire frickin' game.
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Reply #24 on: May 01, 2009, 04:10:43 PM

WSG will just happen on it's own eventually really.


EoTS, I eagerly await reports of entire teams going to the middle to cap the flag, then finding out you need to capture a tower to score.

Already happened in a few I've been in--100% both teams in the middle, then someone starts screaming for someone else to go cap a tower.
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Reply #25 on: May 01, 2009, 05:00:28 PM

Yeah I tried right after posting this morning and had the same thing.  Me and 2 other DPS guys trying to hold one node as the Horde swarmed us - while having the flag and sitting on it.  The rest of the team was sitting in the middle asking why the flag wasn't respawning.  awesome, for real

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Reply #26 on: May 01, 2009, 05:04:10 PM

My one EoTS, we just held one tower and the middle. We had like a dozen flag caps that game. We lost, but not really.  Heart


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Reply #27 on: May 01, 2009, 09:09:57 PM

So I got it, and felt deep self-loathing and bitter dislike for Blizzard of a kind I have not felt in WoW for a long time. Way to go: in the name of fun, they stick something in the game that makes the experience loathsome for virtually everyone trying it, and justify it by saying it's only for a week. It is a perfect example of negative incentivizing, of prodding players to do something bad and destructive to a game mechanic. WSG groups where there are achievement-oriented people just have two groups that sit there and don't move for 10 minutes. Then if you're *lucky*, there are enough players on both sides who understand game theory (the economics kind) and start to play Prisoner's Dilemma with the optimal strategy. Meaning, you send over one sacrificial victim, he dies. Then they send over one, he dies. Continue until everyone is achieved. If you're unlucky, which is most of the time, one group tries to just rapidfire get off all its achievers, so they turtle and turtle and turtle while the other guys continue to come over. Eventually the other side says, "Fuck you, douchbags" and turtles up, back to sitting on your asses waiting for the heat death of the universe to finish. And this is completely foreseeable--the moment I saw that part of the achievement, I could see what would happen.

EoTS is a little more under your control, e.g., if you have a decent group, you form a gauntlet around the flag, hold one base, and just rotate the achievers through one at a time while letting the other side splatter themselves against the gauntlet in their desperation to get the flag. Then you abandon the flag and take four bases. Maybe the other guys get a flag or two off, fine, who cares. But WSG even if you're in a premade, it's damn hard to smack a full-team turtle down--it takes both sides agreeing to actually play the game or contriving to finish the achievement.

AV is just a matter of being there at the first, sprinting out the gate, mounting first, and capping a tower. Not too hard to pull off. AB doesn't require anything other than normal AB play (thank god).

But still: really, fuck Blizzard. This is easily the most annoyed I've been with them in a long time.
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Reply #28 on: May 01, 2009, 09:20:19 PM

I keep running into strange little peace pacts in WSG and AB. It's kinda funny.


More then a few games I've been able to walk to the Horde flag room, do a few emotes indicating we all want the orphan achievement. Then I pickup and drop the flag 10 times, while a horde representative goes to our flag room and does the same.


Once everyone has their achievement, we go back to the normal hell that is WSG where instead of both sides turtling their own flags, we instead turtle the enemies flag.  awesome, for real

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Reply #29 on: May 01, 2009, 09:34:52 PM

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Reply #30 on: May 01, 2009, 10:14:00 PM


Since there's only like, four towers to cap in AV, and forty players trying to tag them, this has led to some of the fastest matches I've ever seen, as people don't dick around on the bridge or waste time with whatever they were doing normally.  Towers are capped as soon as it's possible to reach them.  Nobody retakes them.  Basically, everyone runs the path to the general, waits for a minute or two there for the towers to flip, and then downs the general in about ten seconds.  Game over.  If AV wasn't giving such crappy honor these days, I'd be running this all day.
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Reply #31 on: May 01, 2009, 10:37:05 PM

People still retake them in my BG. Leads to hilarious shifts in population as people make the mad dash for the cap.

It's that stupid PvE Troll Boss in the middle of AV all over again!

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Reply #32 on: May 02, 2009, 12:54:23 AM

EoTS, I eagerly await reports of entire teams going to the middle to cap the flag, then finding out you need to capture a tower to score.
I've lost two games so far 2000-0 this way. Somehow I managed to get the whole achievement just today though, and I usually almost never cap bases or recover flags (squishy mage lets other people wear the INTERRUPT ME sign).
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Reply #33 on: May 02, 2009, 09:28:23 AM

Battlegrounds utterly unplayable. Fuck these achievement whores and their precious "I'm poopsock enough to care about this but not actually good enough at anything to get it except by drinking every beer for a year and fagging up battlegrounds this week and god knows what else!" drake.

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Reply #34 on: May 02, 2009, 09:42:14 AM

They removed the Beer Drinking requirement.

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