Torchlight - Runic Games

[Lantyssa]

EDIT: By the way, Non, your avatar makes me squee every time I see it.

It makes me go with maybe a little squee thrown in.

[ezrast]

Playing the demo now. Does anybody know how to remap controls? My sources suggest that it's possible by editing a config file somewhere but I can't figure out which one. Skills hotkeyed to function keys is just stupid.

[Ragnoros]

Playing the demo now. Does anybody know how to remap controls? My sources suggest that it's possible by editing a config file somewhere but I can't figure out which one. Skills hotkeyed to function keys is just stupid.

http://forums.runicgames.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1314&start=0

[Tarami]

In Black Palace you get to murder lots and lots of Draenei wearing only their skivvies. There's something for everyone in that fact.

[Sjofn]

If I could be a GIRL alchemist, this game would be perfect.

Wait no, if I could be a GIRL alchemist or warrior-type AND THEY WERE WEARING PANTS AT ALL TIMES, and so was the marksman lady, this game would be perfect.

[schild]

Find new complain, plz.

[Azazel]

Couple of Diablolike noobery problems in this thread need cleaning up.

We've been over these issues before, fellas.  I'll expect better of you by the time D3 comes out.  Use this game for practice.

I don't have the fucking time to be H4rdc0r3 anymore. I have a life, a job, a wife, all that shit, and as a result, more money and games than time to play them. This game looks like it could be fun, lacks the MP which is key for me, and "level up another dude of the same class to try out a different spec" gets my reply of "blow me".

I'll wait on this one.

[schild]

Couple of Diablolike noobery problems in this thread need cleaning up.

We've been over these issues before, fellas.  I'll expect better of you by the time D3 comes out.  Use this game for practice.

I don't have the fucking time to be H4rdc0r3 anymore. I have a life, a job, a wife, all that shit, and as a result, more money and games than time to play them. This game looks like it could be fun, lacks the MP which is key for me, and "level up another dude of the same class to try out a different spec" gets my reply of "blow me".

I'll wait on this one.

Then why even post?

I don't understand what you're trying to get at.

[Azazel]

Because posts in disagreement with a game's design descisions are an alien thing to this forum?

[Azazel]

Here's an idea.  Give me the respec option, and if you would rather level a character than play around with your abilities a bit, knock yourself out.

In short,

This.


Musashi was being a l33t-kiddie type dick.

[schild]

Because posts in disagreement with a game's design descisions are an alien thing to this forum?

But you're not disagreeing with the game design. You're upset you don't have time and you're upset someone brought up the hardcoreness of a diablo-like. I'm not reading anything about design decisions since we've known for what, 10 of the 11 months it was in development that the first game was single player.

What's your complaint? You could suddenly find the time for such a game and be hardcore about it if it were multiplayer, LIKE THEIR NEXT ITERATION IS?

Like I said, you're not disagreeing, you're just being silly.

Musashi was being a l33t-kiddie type dick.

Where on the doll did the serious dungeon crawler touch you?

[schild]

ON THAT NOTE:

1. Being able to move the camera in a Diablo-like takes away from the experience of the genre. Go play a 3D game with full range. This isn't a hardcore thing, it's a MAJOR, MAJOR, MAJOR part of the system. FUCKING MAJOR. It's not the type of game you want to be able to move the camera in.

2. The respec thing is neither here nor there and I'd be willing to say there's arguments for both. I'd rather it exist so people that are non-committal don't yammer their fucking jaw about archaic game design or this and that and about how MAYBE I JUST WANT TO TRY A DIFFERENT BUILD. Once again, not hardcore. If we start drawing lines at being able to do anything at any time and be anything in a game at any time being the difference between H4rdc0r3 and casual, we're doomed.

Edit: In short, there are games where - I think - respec is reasonable. There are games where limited respec seems reasonable. There are some games that are not built for respecs. If I made a Diablo-like today then I, too, would probably not put respecs in the game as some sort of "because I can" scenario. It'd probably be a vendor item that showed up randomly and cost an exorbitant amount of money and would be used to reset the economy. Something entirely unreasonable. "You want to respec? Enjoy effectively starting over on getting items." A respec should go full bore in a diablo-like. Not because it's hardcore but because of the pace and flow of a loot-crawler. Hell, I'd probably just make getting the respec destroy every item in every stash outright.

[Musashi]

The risk of failure is part of the game.  In fact, it makes the game for me.  If not for you, that's cool.  I just wish you could understand why for some of us it ruins it to take some of that risk out.  But it's not even about hardcore or casual.  It's totally about risk.  Here's a game where I can fuck up my dude.  There are plenty of games where you can't.  This one, you can.  I think it's great. Ymmv.

The respec mod is already out there, but I fear you may have rage skipped that post.  And this is totally worth your time, even if you don't agree with me, for only $20.  Also multiplayer in these games is only good for playing by yourself with other people on your screen.  And trading.

fakeedit - Four replies while I typed this.  I'm slow and therefore disqualify myself from leet-kiddie status.

[schild]

Point of Order: It's not really about risk of failure.

That's not why people want respecs. It may be why YOU DON'T WANT THEM, but it's not why people want them. People want them because they Just Can't Make a Decision and no matter what decision they make, they assume it'll be wrong. Risk implies it can go the right way. When really, the "right" way in a single-player dungeon crawler is far more loot-based than point-based. To even pretend that the points in Torchlight make or break a character is just incredibly silly. This isn't some min/maxing PVP scenario. It's just an excellent single-player dungeon crawler.

Edit: I think I know how I'll treat respec potions in my mod.

[Azazel]

No, I am disagreeing with a design decision.

I'm not upset I don't have the time to sink into one particular game. If I reeeeeally wanted to, I could, (I spent enough time in WoW) but frankly I don't give enough of a shit because I'd rather do other things with my time, but even then, I'm not and have never been the kind of gamer to create four warriors just to try out the different skill sets. Too much else out there to do. But feel free to continue clueless speculation on my motivations.  



Lack of multiplayer is a seperate gripe, and I'm well aware that they're selling this to pay for their microtransaction-based MMOARPG. I just don't care

"Serious" dungeon crawler? Are we in srs bsns land now you've found a new gamefroth focus since Demons Souls lost it's new and Borderlands released laden with issues? It's not personal, you don't have to get defensive. It doesn't need you to defend it's widdle feelings from being hurt. (this childish sentence in reply to the childish doll question). 


Fake Edit - Schild is completely wrong in why I'd like the respec option. But as I said above, feel free to make wild speculative guesses on why people want different things.
Musashi - YMMV indeed. I saw that. "the Cheater", and a disabling of your shared stash. So har-de-har crippleware then? yawnshoes. Oh, again, I clearly play these games totally different to how you do.
I am in a gaming group of 4 of us (my wife and 2 friends), and we play LAN games and so forth side-by-side at my place once or twice a week or every couple of weeks. Not in isolated from the world mode. We rolled through Titan Quest + Immortal Throne from the basic level to (almost) finishing LAN-co-op style and it was actually nothing like playing SP with others happening to be on your screen. So clearly we play (these) games different to the way you do. YMMV, etc.

[schild]

"Serious" dungeon crawler?

For example, Marvel: Ultimate Alliance is not a serious dungeon crawler. I'm not referring to the NATURE of the way one would play the game.

Are we in srs bsns land now you've found a new gamefroth focus since Demons Souls lost it's new and Borderlands released laden with issues? It's not personal, you don't have to get defensive.

Don't be a retard, Azazel.

Schild is completely wrong in why I'd like the respec option.

Am I?

I'm not and have never been the kind of gamer to create four warriors just to try out the different skill sets.

Really, now? Because it looks like I hit the nail on the head. Either way, arguing with you about this is just gibberingly stupid since you came into a thread about a single-player game and made some bullshit remark about hardcoreness and then proceeded to complain about it not being multiplayer. Get the fuck out with that. No one really cares about anyone's gaming group here and I only poke fun at Non and Morfiend because I really do believe they NEED to share their gaming with other people. I don't actually tend to pin that on people just for fun.

[jakonovski]

This thread took a turn to  but luckily it's rather  to read. Personally I just want a character that has skills that make me go  . Like the level 10 lightning spell. Meanwhile, back in Torchlight I got some purple set boots that make you go faster. The stat bonuses aren't so good though, so I wonder how the set is going to be worth it at all.

[Sjofn]

"I want to try different builds" doesn't equal "I assume whatever decision I make is wrong." I want to try different builds 'cause I think it's fun to see what stupid shit I can do, not because I'm worried I will gimp myself or because I want to find the minmax perfection. I don't personally mind leveling new characters to try out new shit, but I can totally understand why someone might rather respec than level a new person, especially if it's something fairly late in the levels.

And I'll stop complaining about a lack of pants when it stops showing up all the fucking time in games I would otherwise love to death. Especially when the armor designs make it look like she just forgot to put some on that day. The teeny miniskirt bullshit is SO teeny it looks like an extention of her shirt most of the time, which really hightens the "Man, I keep feeling like I forgot something before I left the house this morning" sensation.

[Nerf]

It's almost 7am, I've been playing all night, but I beat the main boss, I think.  The boss of the mines at least, and it seems like thats pretty much the 'story' mode.

I just wanted to share this though.



Highest crit so far was about 20k, but on average I seem to hit for 6-15k with my explosion skill at 10, crit skill at 10, marksman skill at 10.

Ricochet is pretty lame, seeking shot has its uses, but explosive shot is just fun - nothing like mowing down an entire room in 2 shots before the mobs even load on your screen, you just see damage numbers!
Oh, it works through walls too.

[Yegolev]

Game Development Fact: Moveable cameras take more resources than fixed cameras.

In any case it seems a silly thing to complain about.  It would be an issue if you could not see some things.

Torchlight is a serious dungeon crawler?  What planet did I wake up on?

[Modern Angel]

I'm fucking dumbfounded that a fun game, made and sold on a budget, by a bunch of what seem to be very nice, together guys is getting any vitriol at all. It's twenty bucks.

[Draegan]

Torchlight is a serious dungeon crawler?  What planet did I wake up on?

I second this puzzlement.  schild is getting a little defensive about this one.  Yeesh.  Though I think a respec should cost a decent amount in these games.  Just feels right I suppose.

[Murgos]

Respec/no respec, pants/no pants?  If you're someone who really cares that much then don't play it.

To me it seems that what has got Schild's goat is the walk into a thread about a game and shit on it having NEVER INTENDED TO GIVE IT A CHANCE/NEVER PLAYED IT attitude.

Get a life guy.

[MrHat]

Eh, respec ball with like .001% drop chance out of barrels is fine by me.  Just put the option in there.

Anyone try the netbook option?  I noticed it in the menu.

[schild]

Anyone try the netbook option?  I noticed it in the menu.

It turns everything low, which in this game just means less particle effects. It seems to slightly change the orientation of the camera, but at the resolution I tried it I couldn't be arsed to check that since it was so tiny on my monitor that I just wanted to step away from netbook mode ASAP. Also, I assume you're playing on normal?

Oh, it works through walls too.

I'm currently playing a completely passive vanquisher whose only ability is ricochet shot at level 1 since that's what you get for free. She's fairly disgusting.

[MrHat]

Anyone try the netbook option?  I noticed it in the menu.

It turns everything low, which in this game just means less particle effects. It seems to slightly change the orientation of the camera, but at the resolution I tried it I couldn't be arsed to check that since it was so tiny on my monitor that I just wanted to step away from netbook mode ASAP. Also, I assume you're playing on normal?

Oh, it works through walls too.

I'm currently playing a completely passive vanquisher whose only ability is ricochet shot at level 1 since that's what you get for free. She's fairly disgusting.

Ya, playing normally with everything up and it runs beautifully.  They should really advertise that netbook feature though if it works on netbooks, hell of a game to be able to play on the road.

[schild]

When their level designer was in the livestream chatroom last weekend he said they had a crappy old netbook lying around in the office and tested it on that and it ran. I didn't question it further simply because I have no netbook to check on this with. If someone does, it's probably worth the install to try out.

[Ingmar]

Azazel:

While I can sympathize with your respec stance, this is a dumb game to pick to draw a line in the sand over. There's already a dev-released mod adding respecs in. It takes about 2 seconds to install. Don't let Musashi being all snobby about his action roguelikes or whatever else stop you from playing this game, it's fun. And cheap. And runs on a toaster.

[Teugeus]

This game has just sucked away my day into some sort of black hole, and it's still awesome  !!!

[Draegan]

Anyone playing the dual wield alchemist?  I think I'm going to try that when I finally get the game.

[Yegolev]

I have alchemist but going for a summoner spec in an attempt to relive some Fate glory days.

[Soln]

So I just read this from wikipedia:

Relationship to upcoming MMO

Runic plans to release an MMORPG set in the Torchlight game world 18 months to two years after the release of the single player game. Max Schaefer, Runic Games CEO and former Mythos executive producer, explained the reasoning behind releasing both a single player game and an MMO. The single player game is intended to introduce the Torchlight game world to the public ahead of the MMO. Further, it would allow the team to get a released game under their belts sooner than if they had immediately started on the MMO.[23] Also, while the Torchlight MMO will be a separate game, it will share the same action RPG gameplay and some of the art assets developed for the single player game.[14]

The MMO will feature some different game mechanics and a wider variety of environments, including a shared "over-world."[23][26] Runic has entered into a partnership with Chinese online game developer and operator Perfect World Co., Ltd. to publish the MMO worldwide.[5]

Because the MMO is planned to be free-to-play, it can be seen as a "free MMO upgrade" to the single-player Torchlight game.[27]

After Free Realms this is one of the best MMO business decisions I've seen in a long time.  I'll be buying this RPG once I have a working PC again.  

One wonders why Schilling didn't go this route instead of the big-bang theory.

[Amaron]

Has anyone got any new info on the Microtrans stuff?  I'm not really interested in Single Player for more than a day or so of screwing around.   I would be interested in supporting the multiplayer development but the whole microtrans thing has me a little leery.

[Musashi]

This just in.  Very Hard mode is VERY HARD.  Do not attempt without twinking.

[Ingmar]

Has anyone got any new info on the Microtrans stuff?  I'm not really interested in Single Player for more than a day or so of screwing around.   I would be interested in supporting the multiplayer development but the whole microtrans thing has me a little leery.

The MMO thing is apparently not coming out anytime soon so I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for info on that.