Aion (Open Beta, Launch Day Info too!)

[Draegan]

There are diminishing returns for the higher the +level as well, according to that guide.

[01101010]

I got a bad feeling about that enchanting stuff... I see it resulting in a lot of ninjas PvEing upper level dungeon crawls with PUGS - scooting out with stuff they can't use but "needing" it to break down for mats which may or may not lead to a +up to their gear - which in turn leads to having to ninja more than necessary to compensate. I hope I am wrong and this is confined to very small situations on certain servers, but we ARE talking about a diku MMO with gear differences. Greed does not have boundaries.

[Draegan]

There will always be douchebags.

[Shatter]

Ive been having trouble deciding what class to play.  I was getting pretty settled on Cleric, but only got him to level 14 in beta so far so no PvP experience yet.  However, based on what I read here and elsewhere about their PvP system, loss of points on death, etc I think I definitely want to play a class with decent survivability.  Like if I get jumped doing stuff solo in the abyss, is Cleric the most likely class to survive?  Assasin because of /hide?  Half my current guild plans to play Aion so prime time Ill have people to group with but solo I dont want to be the class thats everyones bitch, any recommendations? 

[Segoris]

I got a bad feeling about that enchanting stuff... I see it resulting in a lot of ninjas PvEing upper level dungeon crawls with PUGS - scooting out with stuff they can't use but "needing" it to break down for mats which may or may not lead to a +up to their gear - which in turn leads to having to ninja more than necessary to compensate. I hope I am wrong and this is confined to very small situations on certain servers, but we ARE talking about a diku MMO with gear differences. Greed does not have boundaries.

Even without this enchant system that sounds like most MMOs anyways.

[Draegan]

Clerics have the highest survivability in the game from what I've read.  Just manastone for HPs.  Then once you get abyss gear with a ton of slots, do all magical resist.  Apparently you can't see a difference with magical resists until you get into a certain range.

I'm going to test a cleric this weekend.  Last week was a chanter.

[Shatter]

Clerics have the highest survivability in the game from what I've read.  Just manastone for HPs.  Then once you get abyss gear with a ton of slots, do all magical resist.  Apparently you can't see a difference with magical resists until you get into a certain range.

I'm going to test a cleric this weekend.  Last week was a chanter.

I read similar but what I read said to slot HP

[Draegan]

HPs for sure until you have enough spots for stones.

Then you'll have room for
Magical Resist (resisting CCs)
Casting Speed (new to 1.5)
Concentration (not getting spell cancels when you're hit)

I have no idea what the balance will be.  I'll let the spreadsheet geeks do it.

[amiable]

I'm debating between cleric, chanter and spiritmaster....  The problem with clerics in general is that while they have excellent 1 on 1 survivability they tend to get ff first in any engagement, hence having a much lower k/d ratio in a group setting, in a system like this I expect they will be somewhat disadvantaged (I KNOW THE SYSTEM IS AWESOME AND THIS WON'T HAPPEN BECAUSE WHARGBBBBBLLL......).  

It will probably be better if you are in a decent guild.  I have been out of cirulation so long I am not in one, but I do love playing clerics so I am torn.

[Draegan]

Best Abyss ganker is a Ranger but you have low defenses.

Edit to add:
I just read that the special Abyss skills that you get with the top 5 ranks use Abyss Points when activated and not your typical mana/energy stuff.  So there is another way to spend Abyss points.

[Ashamanchill]

(Crosses fingers) Please let tanks be useful in PvP in this game, oh god please let tanks be useful in PvP!!!!

[DLRiley]

There are still tanks in a game with an end game fully devoted to pvp. The failure is over 9000. 

[Hindenburg]

There are still tanks in a game with an end game fully devoted to pvp. The failure is over 9000. 

TBH playing a tank (or playing with tanks that used Guard properly) in WAR was pretty damn fun before damage went crazy.

[DLRiley]

When people used their noob instincts to pound on the tank, sure its fun, then people realized that CC, large sums of AoE, large sums of Single Target damage, and the lack their off of any intuitive healing....

[Draegan]

There are still tanks in a game with an end game fully devoted to pvp. The failure is over 9000. 

The game is not fully devoted to PVP.
Korean servers show that Templars are extremely good in 1v1 PVP and large scale PVP.

[Falconeer]

There are still tanks in a game with an end game fully devoted to pvp. The failure is over 9000. 

The game is not fully devoted to PVP.
Korean servers show that Templars are extremely good in 1v1 PVP and large scale PVP.

Why do you keep feeding the troll? He's a HRose without a cause.

[DLRiley]

Oh Falc, your shrilling is so cute.

[Modern Angel]

Oh Falc, your shrilling is so cute.

SHILLING. Falconeer is SHILLING.

[Hoax]

You lose points on death?

This is fucking failure.  That isn't open world pvp its no rules sport, which is by definition fucking retarded.  For a big clue look at Street Fighter 4, a goddamn fighting game.  By definition one winner one loser but the whole point is to test yourself and learn the best execution and tactics so you can win more.  They had a similar system, in a ranked battle you would lose points when you lost and gain them when you died.  It wasn't a perfectly even split so like if your opponent was ranked much higher he might gain 30 and you would lose 5 but whatever.  So many fucking people cheated that system I have no words.  They would do anything possible, in a game where your skill is the only thing being judged, where you either win lose or disconnect and where the whole idea is to fight tough fights to force you to clutch it out.

They cheated, lied, gamed the system and did anything they could for rank.  It was pathetic and stupid.  This will be like that, but worse because its not a fighting game system and at the end of the day player skill means jackshit if you've got the lewts and the other guy is a noob, also there are 15 of you and 3 of them, that helps too.

You lose "abyss points" on death lawl, what a stupid game.

[DLRiley]

Hoax you will be promptly called a troll.

[Senses]

Hoax's post should make anyone else who has voiced some skepticism over Aion's pvp in the last few pages feel embarassed for sharing the same opinion as him, despite the ass-backwards way he arrived at it.

[Ashamanchill]

There are still tanks in a game with an end game fully devoted to pvp. The failure is over 9000. 

The game is not fully devoted to PVP.
Korean servers show that Templars are extremely good in 1v1 PVP and large scale PVP.

Awesome.  I'm happy.  (Pending this statement being true)

[Draegan]

Their DPS isn't very high, but when properly geared it's middle of the road.  Templars are extremely durable.  They don't have much CC except a pulling  "death grip" ability.

[DLRiley]

Their DPS isn't very high, but when properly geared it's middle of the road.  Templars are extremely durable.  They don't have much CC except a pulling  "death grip" ability.

Tanks kicking DPS ass 1v1 is kinda part of the standard diku class balance lol. Though the pull ability does makes things much more annoying for RDPS. Sadly I don't think this game has moved beyond the "it has pvp?" stage as far the community is concerned.
I don't expect an actual metagame(or at the very least something resembling one) to show up till the NA/EU launch.

[Trippy]

Oh Falc, your shrilling is so cute.

SHILLING. Falconeer is SHILLING.

[Ashamanchill]

Their DPS isn't very high, but when properly geared it's middle of the road.  Templars are extremely durable.  They don't have much CC except a pulling  "death grip" ability.

I appreciate the info.  I really don't want to go through the morass of the fansites for this game.  I did that for the last two (WAR and AoC) and it left me hugely dissillusioned when the game came out and my class wasn't anywhere close to their descriptions of it.  I think I'm going to go into this one with only a bit of general knowledge about it when I pick up the box.  It's an easier chance of being pleasantly surprised that way.

[Hoax]

Hoax's post should make anyone else who has voiced some skepticism over Aion's pvp in the last few pages feel embarassed for sharing the same opinion as him, despite the ass-backwards way he arrived at it.

So seeing this on the top seller list on Steam isn't in error huh, this is The Next Big Thing in pvp mmo's.  Yeah enjoy your FOTM failsauce bullshit along with the Darkfall and Mourning chaps.  Or wait, is this just the I'm so sick of WoW that I'll try anything crowd I've been waiting to gather since 6 months after the launch of that failboat?

You must be new at the whole MMO thing Senseless, go dickride some lineage clone (WITH FLIGHT!?) on the vault or something.

Or barring that, feel free to just quote the posts where you think in the pages of useless fanboi versus sane posting that I'm sure has gone on here that your side has proven that creating a ranking system that punishes people for losing is totally going to up the quality and quantity of the combat that any player who doesn't get their kicks whacking the foozles craves.

Let me guess this thread went something like:
-that system sounds like the failure that was the original WoW honor system
NUH UH WOW IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT GAME AION IS GOING TO HAVE ALL THESE REVOLUTIONARY SYSTEMS THAT NOBODY HAS EVER EXECUTED BEFORE AND IT WILL AMAZE YOU!  IN FACT FROM NOW ON ANYBODY WHO QUESTIONS JUST HOW WELL ALL THIS PIE IN THE SKY SHIT THEY ARE PROMISING WILL WORK BASED ON LOGICAL EXPECTATIONS DERIVED FROM EVERY OTHER GAME EVER MADE ILL JUST GO LALALALALALALALAALALALALALALLAALALAL YOU DONT GET IT.

[Falwell]

You've been needing to get that off your chest for awhile haven't ya Hoax?

[Fordel]

I can't say it's all that inaccurate of a summary though.

[amiable]

The sad thing is I can't really fault them, I was the same way about WAR when it came out.  I was incredibly excited and argued vociferously with anyone who said anything negative about the game.  It was gong to be the savior of PvP MMO's!

Of course when the game launched and turned out to be a steaming pile of crap I got religion pretty quick...

[Draegan]

Hoax just went full Re'Tard.

[Hindenburg]

Hoax just went full Re'Tard.

Mirror, mirror on the wall.

[Shatter]

Hoax's post should make anyone else who has voiced some skepticism over Aion's pvp in the last few pages feel embarassed for sharing the same opinion as him, despite the ass-backwards way he arrived at it.

So seeing this on the top seller list on Steam isn't in error huh, this is The Next Big Thing in pvp mmo's.  Yeah enjoy your FOTM failsauce bullshit along with the Darkfall and Mourning chaps.  Or wait, is this just the I'm so sick of WoW that I'll try anything crowd I've been waiting to gather since 6 months after the launch of that failboat?

You must be new at the whole MMO thing Senseless, go dickride some lineage clone (WITH FLIGHT!?) on the vault or something.

Or barring that, feel free to just quote the posts where you think in the pages of useless fanboi versus sane posting that I'm sure has gone on here that your side has proven that creating a ranking system that punishes people for losing is totally going to up the quality and quantity of the combat that any player who doesn't get their kicks whacking the foozles craves.

Let me guess this thread went something like:
-that system sounds like the failure that was the original WoW honor system
NUH UH WOW IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT GAME AION IS GOING TO HAVE ALL THESE REVOLUTIONARY SYSTEMS THAT NOBODY HAS EVER EXECUTED BEFORE AND IT WILL AMAZE YOU!  IN FACT FROM NOW ON ANYBODY WHO QUESTIONS JUST HOW WELL ALL THIS PIE IN THE SKY SHIT THEY ARE PROMISING WILL WORK BASED ON LOGICAL EXPECTATIONS DERIVED FROM EVERY OTHER GAME EVER MADE ILL JUST GO LALALALALALALALAALALALALALALLAALALAL YOU DONT GET IT.

We get wings in Aion so that changes everything..amI right? :)

[Draegan]

Hoax just went full Re'Tard.

Mirror, mirror on the wall.

Now that insult was uncalled for.  Don't be an asshole.

[Zetor]

Here is a blog post from a hardcore(ish) WOW arena player who plans to switch to Aion... but he also points out some shortcomings and things that might drive people away from the game. Might be worth a read.

Anyway, I'm still considering picking up this game, if only to mess around a bit and quit before hitting the level cap (no desire to honor-grind). The only guildie who's also planning to play wants to play a chanter; would a spiritmaster synergize well? I will have to play a caster, since there is apparently no GCD and I'll have a 600-800 ping due to playing on west coast servers from eastern europe, so no twitchy combat for me... I would also like to play a class that's not too gear-dependant.