Broncos Trade Cutler for... the NECKBEARD?

[HaemishM]

Really?

Cutler gets traded to the Bears for 2 1st rounders (2009 & 2010), an '09 3rd rounder, and KYLE ORTON. Broncos also gave up an '09 5th rounder that they got in a trade.

You Broncos' fans must feel nutkicked. I mean, Orton had a decent year with pretty much no targets, but I wouldn't put him up against Cutler for all the tea in China. Bowlen has been on a roll... fire his coach and friend of 14 years, piss off his star QB and franchise player, now he gets Neckbeard? Good luck with that. Hope you can find a defense in those draft picks.

For the Bears, though, I'd say this puts them as the team to beat in the NFC North. Matt Forte, Cutler, a decent defense. Meanwhile, what have the other teams done? The Packers haven't done shit, Minnesota has to hope Rosenfels vagina can hold up to the pounding, and the Lions are coming off 0-16.

[WayAbvPar]

Chicago got raped. Cutler is a whiny cunt and will wash out of the league inside 5 years. Giving up 2 1st round picks is fucking INSANE. Add a player and another pick on top of that? Jesus.

[Tannhauser]

Cutler is not worth 2 1st round picks IMO.

[Paelos]

The two 1st round picks over two years was pricey, but not completely out of context for a team that wanted a NFL QB vet with potential, and probably didn't have high enough picks to grab the new QB talent coming out. Also, if they can get production out of him, the 2nd year draft pick could be in the mid-to-late 20s, which isn't as high value.

Tossing QB for QB trade in there as well, that was over the top. Tossing a 3rd round draft pick in there too...  

[Sauced]

I think it's a great move for Chicago - he'll own every passing record in franchise history within 4 seasons,  the 3rd Round pick was compensatory for letting Berrian go, so they still have a 2nd and a 3rd on day one, and Angelo has always done his best drafting on day two, so the 5th rounder is not a throw-away.

His 1st round picks have been historically shaky with the exception of Tommie Harris.  They had to go big to get Cutler, and the price was steep, but 25 year old pro bowl QBs don't come around every day.  I'm not a huge fan of the whining, by any means, but so what, he's got a big ego.   Chicago has enough veteran players to keep that in check, and by all accounts everyone in the Bronco locker room loved the guy.

Forte and Greg Olson go to the next level, and Hester has someone who can throw the ball more than 30 yards.

Not that it matters, this is the Bears.  Cutler's Type I Diabetes will result in an amputated foot by week 10 and Orton will be headed to the Hall of Fame.

[Trippy]

The Bears with their run first, pass last philosophy is a horrible fit for Cutler. The last Bears QB to make the Pro Bowl was McMahon in 1985. I predict Cutler will throw another temper tantrum around this time next year to try and get himself traded to a passing team.

[Sauced]

The Bears actually throw the ball a lot, percentage wise.  Their overall lack of success doing so results in near-bottom-of-the-league first downs, and less overall offensive plays.

[Paelos]

The Bears actually throw the ball a lot, percentage wise.  Their overall lack of success doing so results in near-bottom-of-the-league first downs, and less overall offensive plays.

The screen pass skews those numbers greatly.

[Murgos]

The Bears actually throw the ball a lot, percentage wise.  Their overall lack of success doing so results in near-bottom-of-the-league first downs, and less overall offensive plays.

Which probably means they need better pass protection rather than a new QB.

[Sauced]

No doubt about that.  They signed Pace, and moved last years no 1 pick Chris Williams to RT.  And, therefore, need to use one of their round 2 or 3 picks on an OT.

Also, the ability of receivers to make plays with a timely well-thrown pass will affect those numbers as well, as Orton (and Grossman for that matter) often left guys waiting for the ball to get there (and then immediately tackled).  They might have the worst YAC in football over the last 5 years.  They still need another WR.

Last year was terrible, they had to do something.  Hopefully it works.

[Sauced]

The screen pass skews those numbers greatly.

Granted.  Orton is extremely comfortable in an offense where the reads start short and progress down the field, hence the high number of dump offs and that god damn screen that I hate so much.  Grossman was not so comfortable, and thus player the "gunslinger" role which has him sitting on the free agency pile behind guys like Leftwich.

Turner and the other offensive coaches will have to adapt quickly to a QB better suited to throwing the ball 15+ yards down the field if this is going to work.  Or they'll get new coaches.

EDIT:  Haven't talked about football in a while, mostly because the Bears offseason depressed me.  Sorry for opening the flood gates!

[naum]

maybe 1 1st rounder it would be a good deal, 2 1st rounders is an epic fail that not even george allen or mike ditka eclipsed in their previous folly (well, maybe ditka's ricky williams exchange tops it…)

cutler has shown promise, but soldier field II (or whatever corporate branding it now displays) is not friendly to QB of his ilk… …air is cold but thin in denver but swirling winds & cold will reduce just about any QB to irrelevancy…

cutler is no brett favre, he might have the arm, but bears need more a leader, and from reports i read, cutler is suspect in that regard, though a fresh start in a new NFL city sometimes can cure that ail…

[HaemishM]

Cutler will be a damn sight better as a passer than Orton was. He makes better reads and a better arm. Orton had a good year on a team built around short passing and the run game. And the Bears still won 9 games with Grossman starting a few and a defense that was not the game-winner of years past. Cutler is an upgrade. An expensive one, yes, but despite the lost first round picks, I still think the Broncos got the shit stick.

[Nebu]

All the Bears need now is Ditka and the Fridge. 

I think Cutler will help Chicago, but their culture will have to change.  They will need to open up the offense and get some quality receivers and linemen in stat. 

[Triforcer]

Cutler will be a damn sight better as a passer than Orton was. He makes better reads and a better arm. Orton had a good year on a team built around short passing and the run game. And the Bears still won 9 games with Grossman starting a few and a defense that was not the game-winner of years past. Cutler is an upgrade. An expensive one, yes, but despite the lost first round picks, I still think the Broncos got the shit stick.

This is completely accurate, as far as it goes.  However, when you include the psychological dimension (Cutler is a whiny oversensitive dumbfuck) the Bears got screwed. 

[Azuredream]

This is completely accurate, as far as it goes.  However, when you include the psychological dimension (Cutler is a whiny oversensitive dumbfuck) the Bears got screwed. 

I could be completely wrong on this, but I still have this feeling of "why?" when I hear the story of Cutler's supposed temper tantrum. I can't help thinking that Cutler might have said something in frustration to the wrong person and when it blew up in his face he didn't know how to handle it. We don't have any details at all other than rumors and speculation. I still think the Bears got the better end of the deal, if for no other reason than the Bears don't know how to get a good pick out of the first round, and Cutler, while he won't get the numbers he got last year, will double whatever Orton would have done.

[Abagadro]

I'm not sure I buy the "Cutler is a whiny baby" meme and think it is likely spin from the suits in the Bronco's organization. Hell, if I am an Pro-Bowl QB and some never-been-a-head-coach douche's first move is to float the idea of bringing in Matt freaking Cassel I think I'd get a bit bent out of shape.

[Trippy]

Sure that I understand but not talking any calls from the team? It's like the adult version of a kid sticking his fingers in his ears going "Lalala I want a trade I can't hear you".

[Mr_PeaCH]

The real winner in all of this:  San Diego Chargers!

KC Chiefs = rebuilding
Oakland Raiders = ... well ... the Jokeland Raiders
and now the Broncos cast off Cutler.  (Hey, maybe they'll catch lightning in a bottle like the Falcons and Ravens did last year with starting a rookie QB from the draft.)

[Rasix]

My first thought is that the Bears gave up a too much for a diabetic Pro Bowler with possible attitude issues. Two first rounders is a very, very high price when Cassel was gotten for a second. I wouldn't put too much into the the fact that he wasn't returning calls because that's soley coming from the Broncos camp.  It's entirely retarded for a coach to come into an environment where he's got a great quarterback and then to immediately try and trade for a guy that *might* be better (and was throwing to Randy Moss and Wes Welker).  Fault is on both sides, but the first shot was fired by the dumb coach.

It's really hard to get a quarterback of Cutler's quality.  The Bears could draft quarterbacks for the next 5 years and end up with a bunch of Ryan Leafs.  The pickings at their spot this year would have been slim with both Stafford and Sanchez gone by 18.   Josh Freeman in any other year is not a first rounder no matter how much he reminds people physically of Ben Rothlisburger. 

Broncos will be goddamn terrible this year. Neckbeard will do better with real receivers to throw to, but they still have issues at RB (they last as long as a Spinal Tap drummer) and their defense was a liability.  I have no idea how Cutler will perform with the Bears.  His options are a lot worse, but he's on a team with an actual running game and defense.

Time will tell like the Eli Manning/Phillip Rivers trade, where the Giants paid a large price that looked terrible at first but ended up with a Super Bowl victory.  This still feels like The Bears bought a marked up Wii on Ebay because they HAD TO HAVE IT NOW.

[Hoax]

Those first round picks might not be so valuable though considering:
-This year's draft class is terrible
-If this works they expect to make the playoffs this year which means next year's first round pick is quite low

If they had gotten a 3rd or later pick next year from Denver I would think they are masterminds, as it is, its a good trade but still a very huge gamble.  Defense is getting old, your down to first round picks and you have a QB who is great but has major question marks surrounding him.  I personally like Cutler and Rivers the two QB's that get all this ESPN flack for being mean guys.  Seems like the bullshit side effect of the 24hr sports news cycle.

[El Gallo]

I thought the new coach also lied to Cutler about it (i.e., Cutler hears rumors that the Broncs are going after Cassel. Cutler says "hey, are you guys going after Cassel?" Broncs say "no." Broncs attempted trade for Cassel blows up, gets reported in media.  Broncs say "yeah, um, well, sure we just lied to your face but let's pretend that never happened and move on." Cutler says "fuck you.")

It's entirely possible that I made this sequence up.