Carbonite crosses line, reams everyone with infinidick

[Lakov_Sanite]

Went through wotlk in 48 hours using carbonite lite. Had to read... two, maybe three...  5, tops... quests. Had a grand time. Yes, the mod is pretty much mandatory for a (i'm willing to bet) large parcel of the population.

Let's increase the arrogance, yes?

I'm calling bullshit on that. I seriously doubt 'a large portion' is more than a few thousand users.

Also you read only 5 quests? Congratulations, you paid to be a robot. Seriously...i mean fucking seriously?! Who the hell is so goddamned lazy they can't spend 30 second to read a quest? Jesus christ it's not a fucking novella, most quests are hardly more than a paragraph.  It's people like you who piss me off in raids too since you are the ones asking "so why are we killing malygos?" and then I'm the one who has to explain it to you on vent gah, nerdrage!

I read every quest, worked a m-f job and still hit 80 within a week of the expansion.
Lazy sons of bitches.

[Dren]

I'm an admitted altaholic.  With that in mind, losing these quest helper mods would affect me quite a bit.  Not that I can't remember what to do for each quest.  I have all of them memorized (on the 5th time through now.)  It is the pure ease  at which they make looking at the map and determining where to go next or to develop a plan to hit all of the quests as you make a circle around the zone.  I absolutely hate travelling by any means, so making my trips more efficient with questing makes the game more enjoyable to me.  Without the mods, I'll be reduced to constantly opening and closing the quest log and my map to figure out where to go next.  Invariably, I'll find out I completely missed an area 3 minutes back in the zone and I'll be very annoyed.

Will I quit without it?  No.  Do I support Blizzard in what they are doing?  Yes.  I don't believe creating add-ons should keep anyone out of a "normal" job.  If they do, great.  If they don't, great.  I don't care.  If a person is using this to get their foot in the door someplace for a "real job," I think it is an awesome thing.  Don't make more of it than it is.   I do not pay for them myself and I do not want to see ads.  

[Vash]

For as much quality content and polish Blizzard can produce, the default WoW UI is pretty much a giant black eye on the game for me.  I've been using various character frame, raid frame, action bar, and bag addons for 3+ years now (not to mention all the others ... gatherer, auctioneer, outfitter, omen etc.). 

I mean just the fact that there's literally zero customization available in the default UI shows what an archaic pile of crap it is.  I could play with no addons without much issue ..... and I could also poke myself in the eye repeatedly, I don't plan on doing either anytime soon.

Since the game's launch they've only added 3 improvements to the default UI, enemy cast bars, scrolling combat text, and now threat with Wrath.  All of these things were very widely used addons before being added and Blizz's implementation of them ranges between crap and meh.      So bad in fact that I still use addons for all of those features because they do it better and allow me to customize them to my liking.

I mean you know it's bad if the failboat that is Mythic managed to put out a default UI in WAR that puts yours to shame.      Being able to move, re-size, and show/hide every UI element what a novel idea....

I'd like to say I have some hope that Blizzard will eventually get their act together in the UI department and one day I won't have to update 10+ addons every time there's a patch, but that hope was crushed long long ago.

[Ingmar]

I don't approve of not reading quests!

[Hindenburg]

Also you read only 5 quests? Congratulations, you paid to be a robot. Seriously...i mean fucking seriously?! Who the hell is so goddamned lazy they can't spend 30 second to read a quest? Jesus christ it's not a fucking novella, most quests are hardly more than a paragraph.  It's people like you who piss me off in raids too since you are the ones asking "so why are we killing malygos?" and then I'm the one who has to explain it to you on vent gah, nerdrage!

And you paid to read bad fanfic. Apples and oranges. While I can't be bothered to spend 30 sec reading a quest, I can be bothered to read through EJ's strats and learn to perform my given role at a level that far exceeds that of the majority. Epeen is srs fckn bzns.

I paid to see the pretty vistas and to kill the fools that chose me as their tank. I had fun. Those paragraphs are trite bullshit. You think that I ask why we're killing malygos? I've never asked why I'm killing anything, the answer has been the same from level 1: for loot.

But hey, god forbid that I play their game the way I want, eh?  
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I don't approve of not reading quests!

I quit! You can't touch me! 

[bhodi]

Don't forget; this hits auctioneer and wowecon too. Possibly curse, though that's not an addon it's a addon aggregator.

[sinij]

Who the hell is so goddamned lazy they can't spend 30 second to read a quest? Jesus christ it's not a fucking novella, most quests are hardly more than a paragraph. 

Most of us here played for well over decade and have seen it all. WotLK has maybe 4-5 quest lines total where it is worth reading. Rest of it is Kill 10 rats para-phrased in 5 million different ways.

[Koyasha]

The biggest problem with 'led around by an addon' nitwits is that they don't know their way around the world at all, because every damn place they've been has just been following an arrow or a map location.  They never had to know the names of places or even which general direction or region of the zone the place was in, because they just followed an arrow or something.  I mean, people are generally pretty damn stupid about this sort of thing in the first place but oh have these addons bred a new generation of players that are even worse than I ever thought possible.

[Hindenburg]

Don't be silly. It's not the add-on's fault. Retards will always be retards.

[Koyasha]

Even a retard gets wet when he's thrown in a river.  The addons give them a boat so they don't even have to ever come in contact with information.  I'm not sure that's a good analogy at all, but I think my point comes through enough.

[sinij]

So you are suggesting penalizing rest of the player base just to make retards work? Well, retards will quit, now you are just penalizing your player base.

[Mrbloodworth]

Ahm, it's optional?

ALL addons are optional.

Not according to some, due to the lack of an in game UI that has all bases covered.

[Hindenburg]

So you are suggesting penalizing rest of the player base just to make retards work? Well, retards will quit, now you are just penalizing your player base.

Like I said, retards will always be retards.


 

[sinij]

Even after going through leveling process for more than 4 times, I am still frustrated by large number of quests. Kill Mangy Tigers in a zone where every second mob is some form of a Tiger... and only Mangy tigers count. Having quests with no clear directions to completion point. Having dungeon quests start in unrelated zones, after unrelated quest chains are completed. WotLK made great progress with number of dungeons... where quest giver for that dungeon ether sit right outside that dungeon or right inside that dungeon.

Running first time through a zone, I will not use addons and I will enjoy "experience" ... even if it is mostly Kill 10 rats. After first run through I will only care how to get to max level fastest and addons greatly help with it.

[Paelos]

The biggest problem with 'led around by an addon' nitwits is that they don't know their way around the world at all, because every damn place they've been has just been following an arrow or a map location.

I'm in the retards will be retards camp on this one as well. I know people who get lost inside of dungeons they have raided at least 10 times. Most of us learn the general path the first time. If it's got wings and is complicated, maybe it takes a couple times. After the place is on farm, I should be able to drop you in any room and you immediately tell me where you are, and how to get to another location. Even if you can't, there are fucking dots on the minimap that tell you where everyone is. Yet, some still fail.

Some people just have no idea where they are at any time because they never ever pick their heads up off the floor. Or their meters.

[Ingmar]

The biggest problem with 'led around by an addon' nitwits is that they don't know their way around the world at all, because every damn place they've been has just been following an arrow or a map location.

I'm in the retards will be retards camp on this one as well. I know people who get lost inside of dungeons they have raided at least 10 times. Most of us learn the general path the first time. If it's got wings and is complicated, maybe it takes a couple times. After the place is on farm, I should be able to drop you in any room and you immediately tell me where you are, and how to get to another location. Even if you can't, there are fucking dots on the minimap that tell you where everyone is. Yet, some still fail.

Some people just have no idea where they are at any time because they never ever pick their heads up off the floor. Or their meters.

Ummmm.... does Sunken Temple count? 

[kildorn]

ST is three damned circles! How is that confusing!

[Rasix]

I still got lost in Kara after getting two different characters to exalted with Violet Eye.  I have a very bad sense of direction in game.   Northrend is a whole lot easier to navigate than previous iterations of the content.  Yet, I still have problems finding some mobs/areas with Blizzard's quest directions (if you read the text, sometimes they don't even give you basic ones).   Thus, I installed QH and use it when necessary.

I'm nearly positive that I'm not retarded.

[Selby]

ST is three damned circles! How is that confusing!

And one of those circles is a special circle of hell reserved for the person who designed that instance.

[Fordel]

It isn't the circles, it's the transition between the circles.


Identical, spiral staircases with no sense of distance traveled, those do lovely things to most peoples sense of direction. 

[Musashi]

How does it hit auctioneer?

(Please, god.  No.)

[Soulflame]

The only addon I really truly need is Grid.  I cannot fathom doing anything that can be done in raid form without it.

[Chimpy]

It isn't the circles, it's the transition between the circles.


Identical, spiral staircases with no sense of distance traveled, those do lovely things to most peoples sense of direction. 

And all in that lovely shade of dark green.

The broken minimap dots for your group never helped either.

[Xanthippe]

I'm confused.

My Carbonite (free version) continues to work.  It also has always had a "Punks" portion, where I can add players who I want to watch out for on the other side.  I used to have a mod that did the same thing - I'd put in a name and it would warn me when they were nearby.  I can't recall the name of it now.

Auctioneer isn't pay to use, is it?  I've donated but it's not required, from what I recall.

So what is the problem exactly again?  People can't charge for their mods, but they can still ask for donations, right?

I'm failing to see the sky falling somehow.

[Gobbeldygook]

Even after going through leveling process for more than 4 times, I am still frustrated by large number of quests. Kill Mangy Tigers in a zone where every second mob is some form of a Tiger... and only Mangy tigers count.

They're fixing this on the PTR.  They've incorporated into the base UI the ability to mouse over a target and the game will tell you what quests, if any, killing that will progress you on.

[Cadaverine]

Even after going through leveling process for more than 4 times, I am still frustrated by large number of quests. Kill Mangy Tigers in a zone where every second mob is some form of a Tiger... and only Mangy tigers count.

They're fixing this on the PTR.  They've incorporated into the base UI the ability to mouse over a target and the game will tell you what quests, if any, killing that will progress you on.

Well, that puts the kibosh on one reason for me to use QH.  The other, as Dren mentioned, is to make questing somewhat more efficient.  Instead of running all over randomly, I can pop open the map, and see where the heaviest concentration of quests are, or if I'm having a hard time finding what I'm looking for.  I still read quest text, I know my way around the zones, and instances.  Hell, I could probably find my way around with my eyes closed.

That said, they can bring the hammer down on Carbonite.  Or better yet, just remove the ability for the mod to gather information on the opposing faction like it does.  Too close to a radar hack for my tastes.

[Simond]

Just use TourGuide instead, or even a web-based levelling guide?

[sinij]

I'm nearly positive that I'm not retarded.

 

[Sjofn]

Who the hell is so goddamned lazy they can't spend 30 second to read a quest? Jesus christ it's not a fucking novella, most quests are hardly more than a paragraph. 

Most of us here played for well over decade and have seen it all. WotLK has maybe 4-5 quest lines total where it is worth reading. Rest of it is Kill 10 rats para-phrased in 5 million different ways.

It isn't hard, especially for those who have "seen it all," to glance over quest text to find the parts you "need" to know. You don't even know to kill 10 rats if you're skimming, you just need to know "rats."

I haven't had a mod installed since WotLK. The way half of them break after every patch pisses me off way more than any "problem" they solve. I've never felt I really needed Omen, even when I had it installed. I only ran it for the people who wanted to see where I was on threat. :P

[Musashi]

Just use TourGuide instead, or even a web-based levelling guide?

http://www.wow-pro.com/node/599

Is completely brain-proof.  The addon form uses tourguide and tomtom.  So there's an arrow that points to everything from quest givers, down to making sure you get a flightpath and hearth in the right spot.  You can mouse over the thing if you get lost and he gives you like a sentence or two, so you don't really ever need to read silly quests (yea, some people just want to get it over with - shocking - what with the complex moral argument the dwarf makes to convince us to kill 8 snow worms they're missing).  And if you absolutely have to, he links you lightheaded too.  It basically takes all the posts from wowhead and allows you to read them in game whenever you read your quest text.  No more annoying alt-tabbing.  But you hardly ever even need that.

He's not done with the last couple zones of woltk though.  But from 1-75, it's money.  So money.  It's also free.  And I didn't see any advertising, or whatever.

[Selby]

It's also free.  And I didn't see any advertising, or whatever.

That is also one of their "selling points" if you will.  That it's free and they don't advertise in-game.  Just a "if you liked this, feel free to donate" link on the webpage.

[Sheepherder]

Cartographer has an addon that populates the map with dots, that's all I ever need.

[Ironwood]

Even after going through leveling process for more than 4 times, I am still frustrated by large number of quests. Kill Mangy Tigers in a zone where every second mob is some form of a Tiger... and only Mangy tigers count.

They're fixing this on the PTR.  They've incorporated into the base UI the ability to mouse over a target and the game will tell you what quests, if any, killing that will progress you on.

Which is high irony, since this is one of the things QH does that I really, really like.  Adding insult to injury by getting the QH guy to quit then nicking his shit.

 

[Phred]

It was really be nice if Blizzard would just incorporate some of the more basic button bar and unit frame addon functionality into the base UI.  Hire some of these damn people get a real UI team working on this stuff.

Unfortunately I don't wish this anymore, as their track record on copying user mods to their interface is so abysmal. Look at their extra bars compared to  any other bar mod, or their calendar. The only thing they've copied even semi successfully was SCT.

Most of the mods I use are to get rid of the (IMO) brain damage in their UI. Try to write a auto mount macro now they've fucked up the flyable conditional for macros. They still haven't added the ability to hot key macros, though they did provide an interface for mods to do it.

As to quest helper, I tried it for WoLK too, and didn't enjoy it much. I don't want to be led around by the nose and that was the only way the mod wanted to play. I was constantly playing with quest priorities to do the quests I wanted to do first.  I dumped it and picked up lightheaded which is perfect for me. Saves alt tabbing and the discussion copied from wowhead is nice for any gotcha's. Having used QH, though, I confess I do find it amusing watching all the QH users clustered in the same spot hunting mobs that are a zone wide spawn, like the bears in grizzly hills.

[Numtini]

The biggest problem with 'led around by an addon' nitwits is that they don't know their way around the world at all, because every damn place they've been has just been following an arrow or a map location.  They never had to know the names of places or even which general direction or region of the zone the place was in, because they just followed an arrow or something.  I mean, people are generally pretty damn stupid about this sort of thing in the first place but oh have these addons bred a new generation of players that are even worse than I ever thought possible.

Some of us can't find our way out of a paper bag whether we use something like QH or not. Plus, all the places it matters are in instances and QH doesn't do anything there. Out of instances, WoW's effectively a single player game.