Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds)

[McCow]

A interesting post on the official forums that goes into discussion of what is behind the casting lag followed by two dev responses (one from Mark)

WAR Forum post: http://forums.warhammeronline.com/warhammer/board/message?board.id=bugs_careers&thread.id=1136
Original VN post: http://vnboards.ign.com/warhammer_online_age_of_reckoning_general_board/b22997/110505193/p1

Some highlights:

1) People really don't understand latency.
2) Mythic really doesn't have any idea how to fix the client/server lag. (ie: not going to be fixed soon)
3) Mythic coded in a knee jerk reaction without thinking for the consequences (Mythic seconds)
4) Mark throws PTS testers under the bus.

If you were part of the PTS (or saw the feedback from it) when we tested this fix in 1.06 I think, feedback was very positive.  The feedback we've had since, especially in high load/latency situations as been different.  We wouldn't have put in that change originally if feedback on it was bad.  That's one of the reasons we desperately want people to get on to the PTS when we put up new versions so we can see how things will play under close to LIVE conditions.

Quote of the first post in the spoiler.

[Bismallah]

Why am I not surprised.

[Hindenburg]

That would explain why I was pvp'ing better than usual.

[tazelbain]

Good stuff.  If Mythic was your doctor, he'd put makeup on the rash you visited him for than call you a liar.

[Soln]

Wow.  That is bad.  Got me thinking....

...honest non-rant'y question: has anyone ever hooked up WAR to a basic Windows test harness?  Even freeware for thread pool performance?  or memory?

I don't own the title otherwise I would.  I did it for HG:L and that was enough for me to run away fast (at least 3 bad memory leaks after launch).

[Hindenburg]

I'd be willing to give it a shot, got a link to the thingie?

[Ingmar]

3 star ability FTW.

[Arthur_Parker]

Bending time - Easy
Game Design - Hard

[Montague]

layertimerwindow.lua posted:

        Here we use the new Mythic seconds, fool the user that a second is longer than a real second (averaging in latency)

Colin S. posted:

The comment block found within the script is not just inappropriate it is also just simply wrong.

BURN THE HERETIC!!!!

[Lantyssa]

What he failed to mention is that it is wrong because the user wasn't fooled.

[fuser]

I'm more bamboozled that the guy made a binary change to his client and hasn't been banned 

[waffel]

lulzhammer. it keeps delivering.

[Chockonuts]

 "Here we use the new Mythic seconds, fool the user".



They put the period in way too late in the sentence.

[schild]

Here we use the new Mythic Math, fool the user into the the subscription base is bigger than expected (averaging in bullshit).

[Der Helm]

This is so much fun, downloading the free trial right now.

I am drunk (again). 

[UnSub]

This is so much fun, downloading the free trial right now.

I am drunk (again). 

You'll regret it in the morning.

[Der Helm]

This is so much fun, downloading the free trial right now.

I am drunk (again). 

You'll regret it in the morning.

Right now I doubt the download will be finished by then. 

[Fordel]

Remember, this IS the company that gave us DoubleFrost math.

[Der Helm]

71% after roundabout 10 hours.

Go Mythic! 

[Bismallah]

Remember, this IS the company that gave us DoubleFrost math.

Tabled: Need Specifics

[Fordel]

Remember, this IS the company that gave us DoubleFrost math.

Tabled: Need Specifics

 

[Bismallah]

Want even better Mythicmath? Remember the armor changes they made mid way through the game? Midgard leather was weak to not only slash but fire? Yeah that put the F-U in fun.

Wonder who had the tables on that bullshit? Sure, let's give Infs a chance to make 20% more damage to SBs... awesome. Dragonfang was already laughable.

[Der Helm]

Download finished, rolled a greenskin.

What the fuck is up with that 1-2 second delay on everything ?

[tazelbain]

You are being stunned by all the fun you are having.

[Lantyssa]

What the fuck is up with that 1-2 second delay on everything ?

We just went over this.  It's only half a second.

[Nevermore]

Want even better Mythicmath? Remember the armor changes they made mid way through the game? Midgard leather was weak to not only slash but fire? Yeah that put the F-U in fun.

Wonder who had the tables on that bullshit? Sure, let's give Infs a chance to make 20% more damage to SBs... awesome. Dragonfang was already laughable.

You mean Dragonfang, the thrusting attack?  And Midgard leather was resistant to thrust.  Sounds like someone is still stewing over the Left Axe nerf.   

[Soulflame]

Is someone confusing rangers with infiltrators?

[Der Helm]

What the fuck is up with that 1-2 second delay on everything ?

We just went over this.  It's only half a second.

Sorry, I did not think that casting lag would apply to opening my backpack.
Or picking up barrels.

I feel the grind already (Lvl 4). Not good. 

[Nebu]

In pvp a half second IS a big deal.  We used to tweak gear in templates to gain a half second in casting time and it would often alter the outcome of close fights.  On another note, casting lag will even further the chasm between melee and cast dps and will make my life as a healer even worse than it is already. 

[schild]

In pvp a half second IS a big deal.  We used to tweak gear in templates to gain a half second in casting time and it would often alter the outcome of close fights.  On another note, casting lag will even further the chasm between melee and cast dps and will make my life as a healer even worse than it is already. 

You're still playing?

[Nebu]

Goes like this.

Played at release. Cancelled. Played the 10 day trial.  Cancelled.  Got an AIM from an old DAoC friend recently and resubbed to play healer for them. 

Mostly I play LotRO.  Every once in a while I'll play WAR to chat. 

[Bismallah]

You mean Dragonfang, the thrusting attack?  And Midgard leather was resistant to thrust.  Sounds like someone is still stewing over the Left Axe nerf.   

Sorry meant to have those on separate thoughts, I'll hit enter next time between changing thoughts.

-Dragonfang Thrust specced Infs already gave SBs and NSs headaches.

-When they re-did the armor tables so Slash specced Infs could use Legendary Heaters it sucked doubly so.

On topic, they've already locked the old cast lag thread on the VN, now they are threatening to lock the new one too! Heh.

[Nevermore]

That's ok, I'm sure there'll be a lively discussion about it on the WAR official forums.   

[Nebu]

The official WAR forums are sure to contain a brand of denial you'll only find on the Darkfall forums. 

[Nevermore]

I'm curious how he managed to use a hacked client on the live servers, though.  Makes one wonder if there are any other hacked clients that could work with the live servers.