Bad Groups

[Sjofn]

Aw, not all of them are bad. The one Heigan drops (ALL THE TIME) in Naxx 10 isn't bad looking. I like the crafted one too. And um. That's all I can think of. I don't like most of the axes either, although the absolute worst is that model that's like. Axes stuck to the axe. Like this one:

[fuser]

Bunch of images from the chat with a Pit of Saron PUG. Basically the healer wanted to argue about skipping the sets on the ramp that run down past Ick that he almost let me die on the sets before the tunnel. We were all on mounts at the entrance to the tunnel I said "going to center" and no one objected so I went, cons'd, did wrath to slow down damage, mini bubbled, argent defender, ate a pot and still no healer in the tunnel. As you can see everyone else was with me when we wiped. All the mobs ran down the tunnel and out the entrance and proceeded to kill him.

I started a vote to boot him and it passed, huzza. Then he created an alt to whisper "I wuill make sure u pay when i get a chance". Oh well time to file a GM ticket for harassment  

[Ironwood]

If you don't know where your healer is, you ARE a bad tank.

 

[proudft]

Yeah, I always vote against skipping those ramp dudes.  Something seems to goes wrong about 80% of the time.  Plus if you then wipe in the next groups or the tunnel, your attempts to skip stuff were all in vain anyway.

Plus, they might drop a hilt!   

[Merusk]

The people who want to skip them are always the people who don't seem to know what the fuck CC, interrupts or focused fire are.   Or they want to kill the male vyrkul before the female shadowbolt spammer.

[fuser]

If you don't know where your healer is, you ARE a bad tank.

 

Oh I knew exactly where he was  . I think he was trying to prove a point and wipe us, no matter I think everyone else in the group silently concurred it was a dink move and booted him.

I don't care either way for skipping it but in this case we didn't because by the time everyone mounted up and moved they were already down the hill so we had to kill them. He was trying to explain that the second two sets were able to skip (the ice casters) which technically is impossible as far as I know (and their all undead anyhoo perfect for pally tanks).

I wonder if a GM ticket will result in a two day vacation.

[brellium]

I've never understood how people could pull less than 1k dps, with a 5500 gs I was pulling 1-2k with Arcane Missiles, just Arcane Missiles.  Then, ofcourse break out the 10k dps on the boss (you know because trash are series).

[Polysorbate80]

I don't care either way for skipping it but in this case we didn't because by the time everyone mounted up and moved they were already down the hill so we had to kill them. He was trying to explain that the second two sets were able to skip (the ice casters) which technically is impossible as far as I know (and their all undead anyhoo perfect for pally tanks).

You can skip the first set of ice casters/skeletons if you hug the wall as you ride past.  The second set, I dunno about.  But since they're easy enough to kill anyway, so why bother?

[Shrike]

PoS groups are the worst (at least that I"ve personally witnessed) groups you'll have in the game. The people that come to this instance can't be trusted to do anything right. Keep it simple, eliminate anything that can cause trouble (and it will, because some dumbass will make it so), and move forward in a rapid and efficient manner. Get fancy in this instance and it'll go bad. Guaranteed.

Expect the worst and prepare for it. If your group isn't filled with window-lickers, then be pleasantly surprised and (hopefully) profit from it.

[Ingmar]

If I'm tanking it I can't be bothered to skip any of that stuff. It isn't like it is particularly hard now that people have gotten used to it.

[koro]

The people who want to skip them are always the people who don't seem to know what the fuck CC, interrupts or focused fire are.   Or they want to kill the male vyrkul before the female shadowbolt spammer.

Most wipes I've seen on the ramp pulls have been due to the vargul flamebringer guys doing nutso AoE damage with Flamestrike as opposed to the female Shadowbolter.

[apocrypha]

You mean most wipes are caused because nobody bothers to interrupt their casting? It's like the Spell-Flingers in Old Kingdom... an anti-window-licker device 

[Merusk]

The people who want to skip them are always the people who don't seem to know what the fuck CC, interrupts or focused fire are.   Or they want to kill the male vyrkul before the female shadowbolt spammer.

Most wipes I've seen on the ramp pulls have been due to the vargul flamebringer guys doing nutso AoE damage with Flamestrike as opposed to the female Shadowbolter.

Mine have been otherwise. The flamebearers don't seem to channel hellfire until they hit a certain % of health (since they fixed the interrupt -> hellfire bug).  Also as apoc is pointing out, hellfire is 0 problem if you've got anyone with an interrupt that isn't a moron.  However she can fuck up Pally tanks and DPS with that twin shadow bolt.  Particularly if you get one who's running the place for gear.

[Ingmar]

Pretty much all of the wipes I've had there have been when we can't cure disease.

[fuser]

You can skip the first set of ice casters/skeletons if you hug the wall as you ride past.  The second set, I dunno about.  But since they're easy enough to kill anyway, so why bother?

My thoughts exactly.  It's easy to gather up the two casters with shield pulling and my pally is a fairly geared tank.

[K9]

Pretty much all of the wipes I've had there have been when we can't cure disease.

 

[Ingmar]

Pretty much all of the wipes I've had there have been when we can't cure disease.

 

On heroic the disease ticks for 4k and hops targets - it can cause problems for an undergeared group with a tree healer. I don't think I've ever wiped there with a non-undergeared group.

EDIT: Comedy = someone dying on that fight, getting battle rezzed, and immediately getting infected by the disease and dying again.

[Sheepherder]

That disease is ass.  Fortunately my shaman can drop cleansing and CHeal to victory.

[Ironwood]

What disease ?

[Xeyi]

This disease

The combination of that as well as the stacking dot from the fireballs can be nasty on an undergeared tank.

[Ironwood]

I must thank the wife;  I've never noticed that one.

[Soulflame]

The ramp was damnably annoying on my tree.  Particularly fun was trying to get rets or prots to cure the goddamn disease.  I had a low success rate with that.

[Sjofn]

Oh my God, I hate paladins that don't cleanse. It is my number one FUCK YOU I HATE YOU FOR LIFE thing in WoW right now. I don't expect them to cleanse everyone every time if they're not the healer, because they're not staring at everyone's health bars, but at least fucking cleanse yourself you fucking morons.

[Malakili]

Oh my God, I hate paladins that don't cleanse. It is my number one FUCK YOU I HATE YOU FOR LIFE thing in WoW right now. I don't expect them to cleanse everyone every time if they're not the healer, because they're not staring at everyone's health bars, but at least fucking cleanse yourself you fucking morons.

But their damage meter will show lower numbers if they stop to hit other buttons.  WHY WON'T YOU THINK OF THE NUMBERS?!?!?!

[Zetor]

My favorite ret paladins are still the ones who have Hand of Reckoning (taunt) in their rotation because "it does damage when I have a free gcd lol". Met two of these so far... 

[Rasix]

My favorite ret paladins are still the ones who have Hand of Reckoning (taunt) in their rotation because "it does damage when I have a free gcd lol". Met two of these so far...  

I liked letting those guys splat. "If you do that again, I'm taking chain heal off my action bar".

[Shrike]

I guess it's time to bring up the shitty healer topic. Had two consecutive ones last night.

We can all bitch about prima-donna tanks, but healers can be just as bad. At least two of my characters can dual-spec to a tank if needed. I can't stand healing, so no recourse for my shaman. Sadly, I got stuck with HHoR last night as the daily. Right away, it's trouble. First healer--a druid--can't be bothered to heal at all. Tank has to heal himself through the first wave(s) up until Malric. About the time I figure out that the tree is essentially /afk, there's no way I can keep him up as enhance. Wipe ensues. Healer is kicked. Round two. Another tree. This dumbass occasionally heals the tank, but can't be bothered to even top up dps between waves (with a full mana bar, no less). So I get the pleasure. Dps fall off accordingly, I get pissed, healer gets an attitude, so he gets kicked. I simply have no patience with the "I don't heal dps" bullshit that's so prevalent these days. You have a job, you'd better fucking do it. Finally get a shaman healer that has a clue and the instance gets finished in high style (even had a hilt drop; friend of mine got it, so at least it ends well, despite a bellyful of bile on my part).

Since things have gone so well so far, when my DK and paladin decide to get their daily chores done, I recruit a guildy (ret/holy pally) to cover what's apparently a problem spot. You can bitch all you want about idiot dps, but the real time wasters are the idiot tanks and healers. DPS phoning it in are merely a mild annoyance. Either my DK or shaman can cover any checks that they can't/won't. On the other hand, there's no getting back the two hours wasted on morons that can't be bothered with the other two roles that they chose.

[Fordel]

Oh my God, I hate paladins that don't cleanse. It is my number one FUCK YOU I HATE YOU FOR LIFE thing in WoW right now. I don't expect them to cleanse everyone every time if they're not the healer, because they're not staring at everyone's health bars, but at least fucking cleanse yourself you fucking morons.

But their damage meter will show lower numbers if they stop to hit other buttons.  WHY WON'T YOU THINK OF THE NUMBERS?!?!?!

It actually wouldn't, which is the most frustrating thing, Ret Paladins have the free GCD's around.

[Ingmar]

Yeah especially with consecrate glyphed.

[Sheepherder]

And the fact that Hand of Reckoning is off the global cooldown.

It's actually great for non-tauntable mobs.

[Ingmar]

It doesn't actually damage non-tauntable mobs, at least according to the tooltip. I haven't had the opportunity to try it yet.

[Sheepherder]

They apparently fixed it since I last looked.

[Tarami]

You know what I hate? DPS who start AoEing the flame packs in PoS the second you press Charge. Good lord, it gets ugly when those packs start running around.

[koro]

You know what I hate? DPS who start AoEing the flame packs in PoS the second you press Charge. Good lord, it gets ugly when those packs start running around.

Apparently Avenger's Shield is some secret code-spell for "Let's start AoEing the shit out of everything before the tank is actually even at the mobs" as well.

[Fordel]

I only do that when Ingmar is tanking.


I'll Starfall and Hurricane and Typhoon before refreshing the second Hurricane. He loves when I Typhoon