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[Sjofn]

I did a bunch of PUGs on my hunter today, tanks can be total douchebags, it turns out! I am not really surprised since everyone needs the tank way more than the tank needs them. I do enjoy that my hunter is the go-to girl for blame when the tank is failing. I got yelled at for not assisting when I was AEing a pack (I totally waited for thunderclap/shockwave and everything!) and then again for my pet having growl on when it was not, in fact, on. 

[Rasix]

I had to yell at a tank to give me vigilance today in HToC (apparently after 2 wipes you listen to others).  I hope the random dungeon finder dumped him there randomly, because he was only sporting 23k health unbuffed.  Didn't help he was having "internet" problems, which apparently prevent you from targeting the correct mob or knowing when the mob is live.  Once I got him to vigilance me, he managed to actually keep threat on Black Knight without me having to take huge dps breaks or soulshatter (pray it wasn't on cooldown).  Barely managed to get BK down with only 2 survivors (tank died at like 50%).

It's just fortunate that we made it through.  If the other 2 DPS weren't ret pallies and the shaman wasn't completely over geared, I think we would have been hosed.

[Rasix]

Extreme combat daggers! This winner did 689 dps in UP.  His attacks consisted of killing spree, fan of knives (his main attack) and shiv.

[dd0029]

This "DPS'd" in my Occulus group tonight.

I'd missed the spirit and the intellect gems.  Not 1, but two of each.

[Sheepherder]

Extreme combat daggers! This winner did 689 dps in UP.  His attacks consisted of killing spree, fan of knives (his main attack) and shiv.

What.  The.  Fuck?!?

EDIT: My gift, to you.

Yes, he specced improved thunderclap for a reason.  Apparently he likes to use it.

[Jayce]

The HoR one was not too bad with the exception of one DK who (from memory) did 3 digits of dps.

My memory was right - it was around 800 dps.  My level 71 DK friend is also doing about 800 dps now.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Durotan&cn=Dezii

Also, I learned that some consider our method of doing the escape from Arthas an exploit.  Not that it helped us.

[Rasix]

Extreme combat daggers! This winner did 689 dps in UP.  His attacks consisted of killing spree, fan of knives (his main attack) and shiv.

What.  The.  Fuck?!?

Yah, it was a parade of retards night.  I was going to do one more dungeon just now before bed, but upon finding a dual wield unholy DK pulling sub 1k and spamming plague strike, I just couldn't take it anymore.  I'm just really getting sick of carrying the entire dps load. And every other healer tonight seemed to be half awake.  How exactly do you fail to keep a paladin with 50k health alive in AN?

[SurfD]

Also, I learned that some consider our method of doing the escape from Arthas an exploit.  Not that it helped us.

There is more then one way to do the Escape from Arthas Event?

[Soulflame]

I'm curious to know what it is myself.  Is Arthas tauntable or something?

[Kail]

Might be a different "exploit," but one thing which was shown to me last night is that right near the beginning of the chase, there's a little cul-de-sac (got a torch thingy on it) which you can stand on where Arthas won't kill you, he'll just walk past.  Once you get behind him, you can kill the monsters as soon as they spawn.  I assume you still have to kill everything before Sylvanas dies, but since the monsters have shorter to run to reach you, it's quicker to kill them.

[SurfD]

Ahh, yeah, i can see how getting behind Arthas could change the dynamics of the fight, especially since it is designed so that the event progresses based on based on how quickly you can kill each wave.  Being able to sit right on top of the mobs as they spawn would save a lot of time.   Course, you would be royally screwed if anything ever slipped past you.

[Kail]

Course, you would be royally screwed if anything ever slipped past you.

Not really, they charge towards the players automatically.

[Lantyssa]

And if you sit tight, it takes longer and longer to reach you, so you have time to finish off waves.  It's going to be patched pretty quickly.

[Jayce]

Yes, that's the one I was speaking of. I thought it was the only way to do it.

However, if you don't have the dps to finish the waves in 10 minutes, you get insta-gibbed anyway.

[Merusk]

  How exactly do you fail to keep a paladin with 50k health alive in AN?

You're a priest and he has a shitload of poison on him and is yelling at YOU to cleanse him.

Happened to me last week.

[dd0029]

Or he runs away from you around several corners after a fear.  I lost one a couple of weeks ago to a giant fear.  He went toward the platforms with the ghosts and I ran up the stairs back to the first boss.  Instead of trying to meet me halfway, he just stood there.

[Rasix]

  How exactly do you fail to keep a paladin with 50k health alive in AN?

You're a priest and he has a shitload of poison on him and is yelling at YOU to cleanse him.

Happened to me last week.

Resto druid here.  It was pretty amazing.  The druid himself managed to die on 2 out of the 3 fights.  We did the last two phases of Anub with just me, a mage, and the paladin (retard DK died to pound in the first 5 seconds).

[Merusk]

I'm considering just making a macro for when I wind up in AQ or OK or anyplace else with a ton of poisoning mobs.

  "Hi, I'm a priest, not a druid shaman or paladin. What this means is that I CAN NOT cleanse poison off of you, period.  If you get poison on you, and you don't want to cleanse it yourself, then WAIT until it's expired to continue pulling.  If you continue to pull you will die, I'll AFK out because of your stupidity and we'll all be pissed.  Thx."

[SurfD]

Course, you would be royally screwed if anything ever slipped past you.

Not really, they charge towards the players automatically.

Oh? I was always under the impression that other then the leapers (who seem to just jump at the nearest target) all the mobs started with initial aggro on Sylvanas / Jaina.

[Ingmar]

Extreme combat daggers! This winner did 689 dps in UP.  His attacks consisted of killing spree, fan of knives (his main attack) and shiv.

What.  The.  Fuck?!?

EDIT: My gift, to you.

Yes, he specced improved thunderclap for a reason.  Apparently he likes to use it.

What's kind of awesome about that guy is at some point he put some effort into honor grinding to get that Knight title.

[WindupAtheist]

  How exactly do you fail to keep a paladin with 50k health alive in AN?

You're a priest and he has a shitload of poison on him and is yelling at YOU to cleanse him.

Happened to me last week.

It's the sort of thing a ret DPS could easily handle on the side, but god forbid one of them sacrifice any of their leet deeps in order to have any utility.

[Ingmar]

I've spent several ANs and HoLs spam curing poison on my moonkin, the priest healers never even say thank you!

[Fordel]

I've spent several ANs and HoLs spam curing poison on my moonkin, the priest healers never even say thank you!

Now that it doesn't drop form anymore, they shouldn't have too.


Before when every cure was a fucking shift too, then you best recognize! 

[Azuredream]

The one thing that I hate is a tank who can't hold aggro at all. If I'm waiting a few seconds before opening up, and my opening conflag+CB still pulls aggro off you, it's not your gear. You just suck. >.<

[Ingmar]

The one thing that I hate is a tank who can't hold aggro at all. If I'm waiting a few seconds before opening up, and my opening conflag+CB still pulls aggro off you, it's not your gear. You just suck. >.<

WTB dps that pays attention to what I've hit the mob with, and which one, rather than just waiting a few seconds and assuming it should all be taken care of.

[Rendakor]

Since WoW by default doesn't have Target of Target visible, it is the tank's duty to mark the mob they're fighting imo. I have Raid Target: Skull bound to a hotkey and just tap it on whatever I'm attacking so the DPS knows what to hit.

[Sjofn]

Since WoW by default doesn't have Target of Target visible, it is the tank's duty to mark the mob they're fighting imo. I have Raid Target: Skull bound to a hotkey and just tap it on whatever I'm attacking so the DPS knows what to hit.

Hahahahaha! DPS that pays attention to my marks! HEE HEE HEE. <wipes away a tear> On the upside, all my DPS has sucked at actually doing damage, so I get to be totally lazy. I almost never lose aggro in PUGs.

[Ingmar]

Since WoW by default doesn't have Target of Target visible, it is the tank's duty to mark the mob they're fighting imo. I have Raid Target: Skull bound to a hotkey and just tap it on whatever I'm attacking so the DPS knows what to hit.

Or you could target the tank and press F. You're waiting a few seconds anyway. I mark skulls (and have a full set of our raid marks bound) when its REALLY IMPORTANT to, but if DPS can be lazy about pushing one button, I can be too. 

[WindupAtheist]

I've spent several ANs and HoLs spam curing poison on my moonkin, the priest healers never even say thank you!

I've saved the day dropping Lay on Hands on a tank more than once and never gotten a peep. Fuckin' ingrates.

[Azuredream]

The one thing that I hate is a tank who can't hold aggro at all. If I'm waiting a few seconds before opening up, and my opening conflag+CB still pulls aggro off you, it's not your gear. You just suck. >.<

WTB dps that pays attention to what I've hit the mob with, and which one, rather than just waiting a few seconds and assuming it should all be taken care of.

I don't know what this tank in particular was doing, it was a bear druid who apparently didn't have mangle or swipe or anything on their bar. I usually put the tank as focus and just hit whatever they've got targeted.

[WindupAtheist]

They really just need to suck up their own failiure and remove Oculus from the random rotation.

[Merusk]

Maybe they were still in healing spec.

Like the duid I had yesterday who couldn't hold aggro and after the first hall was done said "oh, hey. I was in the wrong spec."

 

[Rendakor]

Since WoW by default doesn't have Target of Target visible, it is the tank's duty to mark the mob they're fighting imo. I have Raid Target: Skull bound to a hotkey and just tap it on whatever I'm attacking so the DPS knows what to hit.

Or you could target the tank and press F. You're waiting a few seconds anyway. I mark skulls (and have a full set of our raid marks bound) when its REALLY IMPORTANT to, but if DPS can be lazy about pushing one button, I can be too. 

Um, is that an assist key? I rebound F to 'Follow Target' when I first installed and haven't really looked in the keybindings window.

Fakeedit: yea, I guess it is. I don't have assist bound at all. Of course, when I dps, I do it as a rogue and I just TotT every pull, so aggro isn't an issue.

[Rasix]

I'd love for tanks to mark. I don't see it much anymore.  Assisting can be problematic if the tank doesn't decide on a target. I really haven't known what debuffs to look for since waiting for 3 sunders.

Skull and X is all I need. Skull really.

[Ingmar]

I'd love for tanks to mark. I don't see it much anymore.  Assisting can be problematic if the tank doesn't decide on a target. I really haven't known what debuffs to look for since waiting for 3 sunders.

Skull and X is all I need. Skull really.

If its a warrior just wait for the 2 explosions to go off (thunderclap, shockwave.) Assuming he didn't miss any mobs you will typically have a hard time pulling off after that. Of course if he doesn't use those... could be a long night.