Bad Groups

[Musashi]

Roll need if you need something, no matter who says what.

Then if you're feeling charitable, you can give it to whoever you think needs it more than you.  Now that you can trade BoP's for two hours or whatever, there's really no reason not to.

[Hawkbit]

Off topic, but is the tankard a decent prot pally weapon?  I'm raising one now and wondering if I should bank a tankard now. 

[Ingmar]

Off topic, but is the tankard a decent prot pally weapon?  I'm raising one now and wondering if I should bank a tankard now. 

It's statted like an enhance shaman weapon - AP, agility, haste, crit, stamina. And not that much stamina. I'm pretty willing to endorse using dps weapons in place of traditional tanking weapons but this one would not be my first choice.

[Soulflame]

The only two classes that can reasonably use the tankard weapon are enhance shaman, and rogue.

[Paelos]

I want to skullfuck any person that says their alt "needs" something.

[Selby]

I want to skullfuck any person that says their alt "needs" something.

Yup.  Been in one too many groups lately with this attitude going on.

[Cadaverine]

The alt thing is older than dirt.  Been going on long before WoW, I'm sure.  It's the "I'm gonna roll Need on this, because I could use it on my dual spec" thing that's getting on my nerve.

If you want something for your off spec, then play your fucking off spec, or say so up front, and don't roll on shit for your main spec.  Get that shit a lot with feral druids wanting casting rings, trinkets, etc for their boomkin off spec.

[Sheepherder]

So I just won a Mug o' Hurt on my rogue.  Three other people in the party really didn't seem to care one way or another about it, the fourth just didn't want to find it on the AH fifteen minutes later.

As for alt stuff, the DPS DK's and ret paladins indignantly demanding that the healer or tank not roll on DPS stuff when they're given the courtesy of being forewarned that that is how it's going down is pretty retarded.

[Shrike]

It's a joke weapon. Granted, it has good dps and decent stats, but it's still a beer mug (and an il226 from a 5-man boss which can be 3 manned easily, which is puzzling). Arguably, the battlestar from HToC is just as good, and with a lot less AH-related drama. Makes me wonder what's in store for us at Halloween with the headless dude.

[Ingmar]

The only two classes that can reasonably use the tankard weapon are enhance shaman, and rogue.

Its also a reasonable pvp weapon for a protection warrior.

[Rasix]

It's the "I'm gonna roll Need on this, because I could use it on my dual spec" thing that's getting on my nerve.

Yah, that crap is getting annoying. I did a heroic VH a few days ago on my warlock when a enhance shaman said "mind if I need for my offspec" for the spell hit trinket. I had already hit need. My reply was "I'm on my main spec." He still needed, won and left without a word.  I don't care enough about PVE to really raise a stink, but that is some really idiotic stuff.

This direbrew stuff is really bringing out the inner retard in a lot of people.  Sure the tank is eventually going to win a stam trinket and a dodge trinket.  Doesn't mean you should roll against him when he has neither. I'm also seeing a bit more of everyone saying they have the summon and then one person remembering he doesn't have his summon after we've done the boss 4 times or just DCing intentionally.  Annoying bush league shit just for a chance at a mount.

[Merusk]

Yeah I just ran into two "Oh oops, I forgot" asshats in my group last night.  I'm doing this shit with friends and guildies from now on.

[Malakili]

The alt thing is older than dirt.  Been going on long before WoW, I'm sure.  It's the "I'm gonna roll Need on this, because I could use it on my dual spec" thing that's getting on my nerve.

If you want something for your off spec, then play your fucking off spec, or say so up front, and don't roll on shit for your main spec.  Get that shit a lot with feral druids wanting casting rings, trinkets, etc for their boomkin off spec.

I dunno, I don't raid anymore, but I've specifically made myself feral/resto on purpose so I can fill any role a group needs me to in a 5man situation.  I don't really consider one to be my "main spec" and one to be my "off spec" I just do whatever the group needs, so if there is an upgrade for any of my 3 sets, I feel compelled to want it, because it WILL get used, not just sit in my bank or something.

That being said, I basically only run instances with my guild mates, and I pass any needed loot to our main raid team.

[Rasix]

Good way to scare off prospective group members: put on master loot and start talking like you all know each other personally.

[Lantyssa]

For the moment, I'm doing instances as Oomkin, but I'm feral 99% of the time.  I actually do need both sets (once I hit 80 anyways), but since I've only been doing this with guildies, I'll defer to the actual 80s who can use the stuff.  I've still gotten a ton of trinkets out of it since he's some kind of purple trinket pinata.  I don't see why anyone needs to be a jerk about it because you will get the trinkets you want if you run it with a group a few times.

[Soulflame]

I haven't been doing Coren with anyone other than guildies and ex-guildies.  Mostly because they want to run it for mounts and remotes.  (brewfest kodo for me, yay!)

I have a dream of creating an orc shaman dual wielding those mugs, but the price seems to not be going much below 1500.  Seems kind of steep, and there are other mugs I could use anyway.

[Gobbeldygook]

What we've been doing is getting friends/guildies, then bringing in 1 or more 75's that we round up in org.  This way, we don't feel bad about ninja'ing the mount if it drops, the lowbies complete a quest they might not otherwise have been able to complete, everybody wins!

[Ingmar]

The mug thing makes me wish dwarf shamans were in the game already.

[Morat20]

The mug thing makes me wish dwarf shamans were in the game already.

I admit my Dwarf priest kept a mug for a lot longer than he should have, simply because it was a decent item for healing but mostly because it was a mug.

Dwarves running around in dresses with beer tankards are what WoW is all about.

[Paelos]

Good way to scare off prospective group members: put on master loot and start talking like you all know each other personally.

I never run in a group of people I don't know well without ML on, and me as the leader.

[Rasix]

Ok.  

This is 5 man content.  You know, really serious stuff.

To expand: I expect master looter in 10/25 man content. In 5 man stuff, it's just creepy.

[Rendakor]

The only 5 man I Master Loot is H ToC. Way too much of the 'need for dual spec' bullshit going on in that zone.

I blatantly refuse to PUG Direbrewfest.

[Paelos]

Ok.  

This is 5 man content.  You know, really serious stuff.

To expand: I expect master looter in 10/25 man content. In 5 man stuff, it's just creepy.

It doesn't matter, if there are purples involved in any set of content you put ML on in my book. If people looting shit in a stupid manner bothers you, that's the failsafe solution for pugs.

[Malakili]

Ok.  

This is 5 man content.  You know, really serious stuff.

To expand: I expect master looter in 10/25 man content. In 5 man stuff, it's just creepy.

It doesn't matter, if there are purples involved in any set of content you put ML on in my book. If people looting shit in a stupid manner bothers you, that's the failsafe solution for pugs.

Its hard to think of any 5man content as serious business enough for ML to be honest.  Maybe its that I quit raiding a while ago, and when im playing WoW regularly I do the 5man stuff so often that I know I'll see things again, or maybe its the years of raiding where the only loot that mattered was raid loot.  Either way, if someone ninja loots, I just think its funny and put them on ignore. (which is a rare occurance for me, since i run w/guild a huge percentage of the time, and the rest of the time you rarely run into ninja looters).  In fact, more often I run into people that make sure to ask  5 times before looting so they don't come across as a ninja looter, cause it can really ruin your reputation on the server.

[Gobbeldygook]

He is an unguilded dps death knight named 'bonecarver'.  Sound sketchy?  Wait'll you see his armory.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=The+Venture+Co&n=Bonecarver

Notice:

-The caster DPS trinket
-The mixture of tank and dps gear
-The PVP gear (take particular note of the  +4 to all stats in his WG boots)
-Assuming I understand DKs, his serious lack of +hit
-The mostly DPS talents with a few random points in tank talents.

When I called him on it at the start of the instance(UP), he replied that his spec was about 'big dcs'.  Naturally, he was substantially below me, the tank, on the overall damage meters and didn't beat me by much on the bosses.  In a crowning moment of retardation, he attempted to death grip the last boss to himself.

Edit: True to his word, he played the original (it was something like 5/8/blah) by just spamming the shit out of death coil, his damage done went white damage -> death coil -> diseases.  He is now wearing full dps gear with an amazingly terrible 50/21/0 spec.  I'm severely tempted to group with him again, on purpose, just to see how he plays this new spec.

[Jayce]

Ok.  

This is 5 man content.  You know, really serious stuff.

To expand: I expect master looter in 10/25 man content. In 5 man stuff, it's just creepy.

It doesn't matter, if there are purples involved in any set of content you put ML on in my book. If people looting shit in a stupid manner bothers you, that's the failsafe solution for pugs.

Unless the person looting in a stupid manner is you.  The other randoms have to trust you on that.  A 5-man ML is either an fine upstanding gentleman or a ninja, no middle ground, and you don't get to find out until something good drops.

[Selby]

In a crowning moment of retardation, he attempted to death grip the last boss to himself.

I've been known to not heal people who pull such stupid antics in my groups.

[dd0029]

Not so much a bad group as a clueless noob.  Doing the brewfest boss last night.  Get in a group with four.    Group leader picks up a 78 priest as our last DPS slot.  Everyone else is well geared so the fifth is just filler and an extra summon.  I do notice he's not in shadowform, eh dual specs.  We get there and proceed with the first summon.  First whirlwind disarm thing and wouldn't you know it but there is a giant fucking angel there.  Well, guess he's not dual spec'd.  I laugh and tell him to not stand in melee range.  Second and third summons, I notice he's still stooging around near melee range and on the fourth one, there's that giant angel again as he gets whirlwinded down yet again.  Turns out that they guy is completely clueless.  It says something about the game that he could get to 78 with 68 points in Holy.

A couple of nights ago was an absolute clusterfuck.  I spent over 150g in repairs over the course of three pugs, H ToC, Gundrak and UP.  Gundrak was that not bad, just one wipe when a guy mistargeted on the rhino boss and pulled the trash we skipped.  H ToC was a clusterfuck though.  How we got through it I have no clue.  Faction bosses see two wipes on the pull.  Going into the third pull the pally tank says "I'll use holy shield more".    Apparently that was enough and we got them down.  Now comes the Argent Confessor.  We proceed well but something goes horrifically wrong when she summons the shade.  Side note, where was there a murloc boss?  I don't ever remember one.  Anyway, that was a disaster.  Not enough DPS to get through the renew ticks.  I did not even know there was a renew.  Second try, failed again.  Pally tanks pipes up after I died the second time in this second fight and wonders why I am not running back.  Note that I had already committed two deaths to this single attempt.  So, because I have temporarily lost my sanity, I donate another two deaths to the cause.  Four deaths, one failure.  Third time was the charm though.  At the end of that one the mage chimes in with "Spell steal is great!"  So how, through some unknown beacon of sanity we one shot the Black Knight.  Though the warlock did spend most of the fight dead before he decided to zerg it.  That was the only death.  

Loot was also a cluster fuck.  Mostly because tank pieces kept dropping.  The tank helm drops and we spend three minutes waiting for the dumbass tank to decide, no this ilvl 219 hat which is really fucking well itemized is worse than his Tempered Titansteel hat.  After we force the fucking thing on the moron by passing it from the shaman to dumbass because he decided to greed beacuse "Need gets me kicked from people's groups and people kicked from mine."    And the Black Knight drops the tanking neck.  Mind you he has the better itemized conquest badge neck, but he decides to need on this one after another fucking eternity deciding.  I get back to Dalaran after a really annoying bird ride and jackass is going off in general about how he is "finally ready for H ToC."

After that fucking nonsense, I should have just called it a night.  But no, I am still insane and see a call for H UP which is the dungeon daily and I want me some more badges.  Things proceed slowly but unexceptionally until we get to Svala.  In the middle of the fight, the rogue says "Lets do the achievement" and clueless DK buddy DGs a hulk to us.  Tank understandably completely misses it in chat and kind of freaks out and decides not to tank this hulk that appears from nowhere from what he can tell.  We manage to get it down without anyone dying and continue the fight, but no achievement.  Second sword thingee comes and wouldn't you know it but another fucking hulk shows up.  By now the tank is starting to ask where the fucking adds keep coming from.  We all die.  We proceed again without much fanfare through to gauntlet guy.  Dumbass rogue decides to do the shoot him down in one pass achievement and starts parceling harpoon duties.  The rest of us just give up and go with it.  Suffice to say, the whole thing went poorly.  No coordination on the harpooning.  Most of the group failed at running away from the whirlwind.  Next attempt gets it down but two people still fail at running away from the whirlwind.  I've always thought this guy was a jump.  He just seems to die instantly.  I never had figured out what he is doing at those boats.  Well now, I know.  There was no DPS at all unless he was casting Bane.  Then it was DPS Ho! time.  Three tries again to get him down.  Sanity was restored by this time and I called it a night.

[Nevermore]

Side note, where was there a murloc boss?  I don't ever remember one.

Wailing Caverns final boss.

[AutomaticZen]

Bad on my side last night.

Tanking H ToC after healing on Ulduar 25.  I have a lock in the group, and he's just burning up the threat meter on me.  I'm at a loss.  No clue what's going on.  No wipes, but in the middle of Eadric's trash, I notice that I forgot to put on Righteous Fury.

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[Malakili]

Bad on my side last night.

Tanking H ToC after healing on Ulduar 25.  I have a lock in the group, and he's just burning up the threat meter on me.  I'm at a loss.  No clue what's going on.  No wipes, but in the middle of Eadric's trash, I notice that I forgot to put on Righteous Fury.

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One of our officers, who is a absolutely great player, and has been with the guild since it began, for a long time in BC would ALWAYS forget Righteous Fury.  It finally got to the point where before boss pulls people would shout it over vent to make sure he had it on.

[ahoythematey]

Sounds like almost every paladin I've ever played with, apart from my tag-team partner for my rogue.

[Sjofn]

Bad on my side last night.

Tanking H ToC after healing on Ulduar 25.  I have a lock in the group, and he's just burning up the threat meter on me.  I'm at a loss.  No clue what's going on.  No wipes, but in the middle of Eadric's trash, I notice that I forgot to put on Righteous Fury.

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High five! I did that just the other day. It was just the Brewfest boss so it weren't no big deal. At least it stays up all the time now, I just need to remember to put it back up after switching my spec to protection. :P

[Ingmar]

Side note, where was there a murloc boss?  I don't ever remember one.

Wailing Caverns final boss.

Deadmines and Blackfathom Deeps too.

[Rasix]

Bad on my side last night.

Tanking H ToC after healing on Ulduar 25.  I have a lock in the group, and he's just burning up the threat meter on me.  I'm at a loss.  No clue what's going on.  No wipes, but in the middle of Eadric's trash, I notice that I forgot to put on Righteous Fury.

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I've been aggro splatted twice fairly recently by paladins forgetting to do this. I wonder if I even have soulshatter on my bar.

Also face planted when a warrior decided that gaining aggro on a boss you need to burn down fast is highly over rated.  Pro-tip, at least FUCKING SWING AT IT.