Are you pleased with this content tier?

[Rasix]

I click. I only have a handful of keybinds.  I can't break the habit.  Also doesn't help that I never really could get the number keys down when I learned touch typing. 

I don't get keyboard turning unless you never really played FPS games.

[Sheepherder]

I use the arrow keys.  The number pad is my main action keys, and delete/end/page down are battle stance/defensive stance/berserker stance plus the appropriate charge ability for each stance (on the second key press) and victory rush for the stances that can use it.

Code:

#showtooltip
/cast [nostance:3] Berserker Stance; [stance:3] Intercept
/cast [stance:3] Victory Rush

Yes, it is terribly convoluted.  I could never get over the little offset to the left that the "W" key had though.

[Sjofn]

I don't get keyboard turning unless you never really played FPS games.

Yeah, I never really played FPS games. My sister is a giant fan of them, she makes fun of my keyboard turning too. :(

We killed Kel'thuzad tonight! My job was totally boring. Stupid offtanking. :(

[DraconianOne]

Keyboard turning? Ah yes. I remember doing that in Doom and Dark Forces.

Halcyon days.

[Khaldun]

I mostly click. But I mouse turn.

[skolor]

I have to admit, I keyboard turn. Its not my fault though. I play on a laptop, in an armchair-type chair with arms that aren't big enough to use a mouse on. using the little touch pad is just too hard to turn with. I have gotten pretty good at it, and can play a FPS decently well using the touchpad now. I certainly won't be winning any kind of free-for-alls, but I will sit middle of the pack most of the time.

Also, any tips from the clickers? I want to get into playing at work, but the hallway by my office is fairly busy, and I know having my hands on WASD will be a tell-tale sign I'm not doing anything even close to what I'm supposed to be.

[Ratman_tf]

I remember dying to Grobbulous and one of my guildies asked if I was keyturning. I told him what actually happened was that I couldn't find a good spot to drop a fart, and just stood in a cloud until I died.  Total brainlock.

[K9]

Also, any tips from the clickers? I want to get into playing at work, but the hallway by my office is fairly busy, and I know having my hands on WASD will be a tell-tale sign I'm not doing anything even close to what I'm supposed to be.

You don;t think having WoW on your pc screen would be a bigger giveaway?

[skolor]

Also, any tips from the clickers? I want to get into playing at work, but the hallway by my office is fairly busy, and I know having my hands on WASD will be a tell-tale sign I'm not doing anything even close to what I'm supposed to be.

You don;t think having WoW on your pc screen would be a bigger giveaway?

Monitor is angled away from the door, keyboard is well within view. That's the way most of the offices are set up, and it makes it fairly obvious who's playing WoW (although the guy who left the WotLK box on his desk the day after launch probably made it a little too obvious).

[Merusk]

Sounds like IS is doing some playing themselves, or they'd have locked that IP out of the network a while ago.

[Rasix]

Man, I don't know why you'd chance something like that in this economic environment.  I can see maybe something that doesn't cause any network traffic.. 

[Nevermore]

Just think of all the time he'll have to play once he's fired, though.

[skolor]

Man, I don't know why you'd chance something like that in this economic environment.  I can see maybe something that doesn't cause any network traffic.. 

Working in IT, with a large coverage area, leads to quite a bit of spikes in the support we do. Some days are almost dead, others I'm staying late just to stay on top of things. Some game playing is assumed, so as long as you get your job done, they don't care. My biggest concern isn't getting caught playing a game, but getting caught playing WoW. I really don't want to deal with that, since I know it would lead to me having to talk about WoW with some of these people. I overhear enough people debating the best way to distribute loots, I certainly don't want to be included in the discussions.

[Ingmar]

As long as you're not doing arena, it is possible to function as a keyboard turner in at least most of the PVE stuff. We have keyboard turners who live through Heigan dancing (and some that don't, but I don't think the keyboard turning is the problem.)

[Paelos]

As long as you're not doing arena, it is possible to function as a keyboard turner in at least most of the PVE stuff. We have keyboard turners who live through Heigan dancing (and some that don't, but I don't think the keyboard turning is the problem.)

I keyboard turn and I've never died on that fight. In fact I'm the one with the lucky charm on my head that tells people where to stand.

[Soulflame]

Most of the wipes I've seen on Gothik have been due to dead side having problems.

[Paelos]

Most of the wipes I've seen on Gothik have been due to dead side having problems.

Almost every wipe I've seen can be chalked up to a bad division of groups between the two sides, or DCs at very bad times.

[Rasix]

Most of the wipes I've seen on Gothik have been due to dead side having problems.

Apparently the other group Naxx group in my guild was chain wiping on Gothik yesterday (I subbed in for the better group and we one shotted everything we tried).  A friend in that group said it was due to the tanks (both warriors) being pretty bad.  I've yet to see it where group division has been a big issue.   Dead side can get pretty hectic and I know when my group did it, I always have to be prepared to go into frost presence and drop down a death and decay.  I've had to do it both times I've done Gothik (both dead side) and both times a warrior has been the primary tank.  Of course, my sample size isn't very large. 

Lack of good tanks ends up killing one run every week.  We've got 3 good tanks and one of them doesn't really raid (guy gets on even later than I do).  If either of the mediocre tanks get matched up with a bad one, it ends up being a wipe fest.

Guild seems to be trying to push itself toward getting all of the current content (minus Sarth + drakes) down before Ulduar.  This may be a mistake. It'll be interesting to watch.

[El Gallo]

I wonder why they don't let you change the sensitivity of keyboard turning, so you can turn almost as fast as you can with a mouse. I mouse turn in PvP, but it kills my the tendon in my forearm if I do too much of it. To be honest, I've never liked mouse-turning in MMOs, because it looks so incredibly stupid to have the characters move like that.  WoW's addition of vehicles has raised that stupid quotient a millionfold.

I'd slow down the mouse turning to be no faster than keyboard turning, but the FPSkiddies would flip the fuck out no doubt.

[Azuredream]

Natural movement for me is usually the QWE keys with some mouselooking if I need to. Strafing was the only way I could do the winterspring demon, I could never get the hang of jump shotting (and strafing is so much easier) and since then I use strafe almost exclusively, and don't even touch A, S, or D.

[skolor]

Most of the wipes I've seen on Gothik have been due to dead side having problems.

Almost every wipe I've seen can be chalked up to a bad division of groups between the two sides, or DCs at very bad times.

To combat these two, what we usually do is stick 2 healers (if we have 3, otherwise it will just be the better of the two), the other tank, and the 3 lowest dps on the living side. The dead side gets me (Paladin tank), either 1 healer (The best if we ran with 3, otherwise the less good if we have two), and the top 2/3 dps. This tends to balance things out fairly well, since it leaves the living side with numbers to deal with most stuff, and the dead side having the more skilled/geared players who are better equipped for when things go badly. It usually means that things will get ugly at some point on the dead side, and we end up with a horseman and two knights at the same time, but we are generally able to blow through it without too much of a problem (As long as the healer has done it before. If they haven't I don't know what happens, but the prioritize healing differently and people end up dying on the dead side. By the second try everything works fine).

My main gripe over mouse turning is that I have to hold down the button. I'm fine playing a FPS, but having to hold the button down for 5 hours during a raid starts to cause hand cramps.

[Hindenburg]

Natural movement for me is usually the QWE keys with some mouselooking if I need to. Strafing was the only way I could do the winterspring demon, I could never get the hang of jump shotting (and strafing is so much easier) and since then I use strafe almost exclusively, and don't even touch A, S, or D.

Why didn't you bind them to something useful, then?

[Phunked]

In other news, where did Phunked go?   

I'm still here. Watching from the sidelines, since I just ended fucking up the discussion by turning it into a "let's bash him, he's too arrogant for us" thing.

Also, you can keyboard turn as much as you like, in any aspect of this game. People who suggest that you lost in pvp because your reaction time was 0.01 sec slower than someone else, as opposed to not making the right choice are not only elitist assholes (as I'm sure you think I also am), but also not actually good enough at this game to make that type of attitude justifiable (as I know I'm not).

[Paelos]

He's still here. LET'S BURN HIM! 


No, I kid, I kid.

[Soln]

In other news, where did Phunked go?   

I'm still here. Watching from the sidelines, since I just ended fucking up the discussion by turning it into a "let's bash him, he's too arrogant for us" thing.

right on!  stick with it.  At worst you'll get a cool grief title. 

[Shrike]

Keyboard turning will get you killed (a lot) in PvP. Actually, that's a poor way of putting it. Keyboard turning will put you at a significant disadvantage against those who mouseturn.

Back when I still played in BGs (you know, when you got stuff there...), there were a couple of players types I was always on the lookout for. One was keyboard turners. I'd run into 3-4 every night I was in the BGs. You could always tell and I'd usually mop the floor with them (yes, my shaman was a spastic, twitchy draenai). As they'd turn, oh, so slowly, I'd just keep running behind them. I killed so many warriors and not a few rogues this way.

The other things that I always ran into and always wondered why people do this is hunters that insist on meleeing enhance shaman, and other enhance shaman (TBC era) that insisted on using 2handers. I always enjoyed these encounters since they were free HKs, but I always did wonder "why"?

[Azazel]

WTF is keyboard turning? Using "a" and "d"?

[Rasix]

WTF is keyboard turning? Using "a" and "d"?

Using your keyboard to turn instead of your mouse.  Doesn't matter the keys.  Hold down a left key, turn left.

[Xanthippe]

The other things that I always ran into and always wondered why people do this is hunters that insist on meleeing enhance shaman,

My experience has been (as a hunter) that hunters are free hks for enhance shaman anyway.

It's always possible that I'm playing wrong, of course.

[Merusk]

Yeah, it's called, "Fuck I can't get out of melee, and I can't shoot my bow so I'd better hope to hell a wingclip sticks long enough for me to try and get away."

[Fabricated]

Here's how you do Gothik:

1. Everyone stays on Live. Everyone. Stand in the corner on your left when you enter the room.
2. Start the fight.
3. Kill Adds.
4. About 2:45 or so into the fight the gate will open and the dead side adds will come. You'll still have maybe a 2-3 waves on live left as well so watch for those.
5. AoE
6. Kill Gothik.

[Gobbeldygook]

Yeah, it's called, "Fuck I can't get out of melee, and I can't shoot my bow so I'd better hope to hell a wingclip sticks long enough for me to try and get away."

What exactly are you doing when an enhancement shaman gets into melee with you?  Given that a shaman's only gap closers are frost shock(matched by frost trap/wing clip etc), ghost wolf(tranq shot/scare beast), and maybe Earthen Power, I have difficulty believing you can't get away from any shaman ever.  Unless you really don't do anything except spam wing clip, have your relevant pet abilities on autocast, and don't use totem stomping macros, then I guess it makes sense.

[Fordel]

Yeah, it's called, "Fuck I can't get out of melee, and I can't shoot my bow so I'd better hope to hell a wingclip sticks long enough for me to try and get away."

What exactly are you doing when an enhancement shaman gets into melee with you?  Given that a shaman's only gap closers are frost shock(matched by frost trap/wing clip etc), ghost wolf(tranq shot/scare beast), and maybe Earthen Power, I have difficulty believing you can't get away from any shaman ever.  Unless you really don't do anything except spam wing clip, have your relevant pet abilities on autocast, and don't use totem stomping macros, then I guess it makes sense.

He's probably being eaten by these fucking things. It only takes like, 3-6 seconds of melee time for anything that isn't in plate armor or has serious defensive cool downs to die these days.


Of course, the shaman should never get that close to begin with, with how bullshit Survival/explosive shot is currently. 

[Gobbeldygook]

He's probably being eaten by these fucking things. It only takes like, 3-6 seconds of melee time for anything that isn't in plate armor or has serious defensive cool downs to die these days.

Completely forgot about Spirit Walk even though I use it all the time on my baby shaman when I'm hunting DKs.  That, Bash, and Hex would probably go far to explain a perception of enhancement shaman as unkiteable.  Deterrence still totally counts as a serious defensive cooldown in this instance as do the various talented cooldowns.

[Shrike]

You all almost make want to start PvPing again. Almost.

My comments were directed at the past in TBC. I'll say it again, though. Frequently, I'd attack a hunter and the first--and about only--thing they'd do is whip out the 2hander (dumb) or whatever they were dual wielding (really dumb) and try to go at it toe to toe with me. It invariably ended badly for them. Yet, I'd see this over and over again every night. Most memorable was killing the same orc hunter three times in about 5 minutes in AV. Every encounter, I'd attack him and he'd try and duke it out in melee--and it never ended well for him. Never any effort to get to range.

I'm firmly convinced that in their innermost secret heart, every hunter feels he's a melee god and hasn't just had a real chance to prove it to the unbelievers. Either that, or a lot of them are just incredibly stupid. Maybe it's the same thing.

As for 2hand shaman, well, I know horde-side there's a lot of nostalgia for the "good ol' days", so you used to see a fair number with 2handers in the BGs. I never lost a fight with a horde shaman that was rocking the 2hander. Yeah, if they got lucky, they could probably one shot most clothies, but I destroyed these guys. Nowadays it'd be even more an exercise in frustration. The only thing I use my 2hander for is beating the bejeezus out of murlocs that hassle me when I'm fishing.