Expansion worth coming back for?

[Fordel]

Yea, I'm not even certain the giant has multiple damage types. Really, all you have to do is not attack for all of 4 seconds and it's gravy.

[DraconianOne]

I can see how that wouldn't be the same scenario at all.  You can go about your business. Move along! Move along.

[Nightshade]

Yeah, really what killed it for me was the guild, to tell you the truth.  I had to be a priest at the time, and was constantly forced to make schedule raids.  I think my friend Nix sums it up nice "I'm not going to get on and play because someone else tells me to", and that is so true, I was getting really fed up with contributing hours and hours of my time for raid progression.  THAT, is what killed it for me.  I didn't mind the leveling as much, though I wasn't really attracted to the story line, I think if I played again, I'd start from scratch and read more of the story line in key areas.

[w00key]

Just say no to forced raids and come when you feel like it. If they kick you, so be it. There are quite a few casual guild around, but getting in a good one is kinda tricky. Luckily I'm playing with ppl I know from my study, but it's very hard to do that unless you start together. "Yeah, I'm playing WoW too" means nothing, there's 1/75 chance you're on the same realm.

[Hawkbit]

I'm finding myself logging on less and less now that I'm down to just raiding left.  Between the queue times and the lack of upgrades coming to us, it's getting tough. 

I've finished nearly every story quest I've found so the only ones left are dailies.  It's like reading the same book every day. 

It's a good xpac, but once through the material and I'm not seeing a reason to stay. 

[Xanthippe]

Yeah, really what killed it for me was the guild, to tell you the truth.  I had to be a priest at the time, and was constantly forced to make schedule raids.  I think my friend Nix sums it up nice "I'm not going to get on and play because someone else tells me to", and that is so true, I was getting really fed up with contributing hours and hours of my time for raid progression.  THAT, is what killed it for me.  I didn't mind the leveling as much, though I wasn't really attracted to the story line, I think if I played again, I'd start from scratch and read more of the story line in key areas.

I would hate playing WoW so much if I approached it like that - as a priest who felt I had to play in order for my guild to progress.

Instead, I play when I want and do what I want when I want.  This means that I don't raid, or even do instances that much because frankly, I don't enjoy running the same zone over and over again.  I don't care if my gear is sub par, or not progressing, or any of that, particularly.  I find that I like leveling up more than actually being max_level, and I enjoy playing alts, but I don't feel like I have to level any of them.  I enjoy auction house pvp, as well as bg pvp (don't like arena so I don't do it - didn't even do it much for welfare epics when they were available).  I don't play for gear, I play for me to have fun.

I read all of the quests in all of the zones in wotlk (I got the Loremaster of Northrend title, but still have an Icecrown quest or two to finish).  There were some really outstanding storylines.

If it wasn't for enjoying questing and killing mobs and leveling and professions, I wouldn't play at all.

[Montague]

The whole forced raiding thing really depends on who you're running with and how much you're doing it, IMO. There's a difference between "Hey guys, let's do 10 man Naxx. If everyone is free Wednesday and Friday nights at 7, we'll do a wing each night for about an hour then finish up Sunday at 2." and "Raid nights are Wednesday through Sunday from 5-9 server time. More than 3 absences and you will be kicked".

The first is no different than being in a bowling league, the second is like a job.

[Signe]

Yeah, really what killed it for me was the guild, to tell you the truth.  I had to be a priest at the time, and was constantly forced to make schedule raids.  I think my friend Nix sums it up nice "I'm not going to get on and play because someone else tells me to", and that is so true, I was getting really fed up with contributing hours and hours of my time for raid progression.  THAT, is what killed it for me.  I didn't mind the leveling as much, though I wasn't really attracted to the story line, I think if I played again, I'd start from scratch and read more of the story line in key areas.

I would hate playing WoW so much if I approached it like that - as a priest who felt I had to play in order for my guild to progress.

Instead, I play when I want and do what I want when I want.  This means that I don't raid, or even do instances that much because frankly, I don't enjoy running the same zone over and over again.  I don't care if my gear is sub par, or not progressing, or any of that, particularly.  I find that I like leveling up more than actually being max_level, and I enjoy playing alts, but I don't feel like I have to level any of them.  I enjoy auction house pvp, as well as bg pvp (don't like arena so I don't do it - didn't even do it much for welfare epics when they were available).  I don't play for gear, I play for me to have fun.

I read all of the quests in all of the zones in wotlk (I got the Loremaster of Northrend title, but still have an Icecrown quest or two to finish).  There were some really outstanding storylines.

If it wasn't for enjoying questing and killing mobs and leveling and professions, I wouldn't play at all.

This is mostly how I play, too.  I don't care much about my gear and stuff, but I do love loot.  If I have an appropriate tradeskill, I'll use whatever the best thing is that I can make or whatever junk I pick up.  I don't raid, or do arena PvP.  Right now I'm not even playing a PvP server though if I did, it would be big PvP.  I wouldn't join a guild with requirements past being nice to each other and not causing drama.  Playing Auction House game and doing bits of crafting are just as fun to me as the whole adventuring.  Yes, I mostly treat it as a single player game with chat now and then, but it's the only way it's fun for me.

[Lantyssa]

I'll do an instance repeatedly after out-leveling it if I want a piece of loot... for looks.  I don't care about stats.  Like I did Wailing Caverns until I got a full Fang set so I matched.  I didn't start ditching it until my mid-30s, and of course its still in my bank.

Have I mentioned wanting an appearance tab?  Even SWG offers one now.

[Nevermore]

You know what would be awesome?  If you could fuse the stats from one piece of gear to the model of another similar piece (ie: plate gloves -> plate gloves, dagger -> dagger, etc.).  Make it something armor/weapon crafters can do.

Edit:  Never played any of the games with an appearance tab so didn't realize it would do my suggestion one better.  So yes, appearance tab please!

[Nonentity]

My shaman has my full 8 piece set of Tier 2 in the bank.

i'm just waiting for the day when they add an Appearance tab.

[Rasix]

I junked all of that.  Was missing the damn shoulders anyways.

I would just go around killing everything in a purple pant suit and Stylin' Purple Hat.

[Signe]

One of Righ's characters runs around in a fishing hat.  It's weird.

[Lantyssa]

Yeah, that is weird. Tell him to put some more clothes on.

Edit: Talking about the trial in the other thread reminds me.  Is anyone playing on Kirin Tor?

[Signe]

I'm on Earthen Ring because that's where we all started out here and where Righ plays.  Of course, he stopped playing about a week after I started up again.  He'll be back, he's just incredibly busy with work and other stuff right now.  I'm getting weary of queues - even though I don't play in the evening much.  When I decide on a new alt, it'll definitely NOT be on Earthen Ring.

[Dren]

One of Righ's characters runs around in a fishing hat.  It's weird.

That's the kind of thing I miss about UO the most.  Back then people would wear what they wanted and you could instantly identify them by it.  It just felt more personal and made up for the fact that everyones' face looked the same.

[Sheepherder]

Edit: Talking about the trial in the other thread reminds me.  Is anyone playing on Kirin Tor?

What level are you?

[Lantyssa]

Draenei Hunter - 42 (new main)
Draenei Paladin - 23
Night Elf Druid - 61 (old, unloved main)
Human Warlock - 40-ish

Draenei Deathknight - 55 or whatever they start at; five minutes of play time

All my other slots are filled with mostly unplayed alts that have become additional bank slots, and a couple of low-level Horde from when I started.  I've forgotten how to play all of them.

[Signe]

I do that, too - forget how to play my characters after I leave them be for a time.  It's almost always easier for me to start over.

[Nevermore]

Even if you don't intend to actually play your Death Knight, you owe it to yourself finish the quest line up until you can interact with the rest of Azeroth. 

Also, how long were you out of the game?  It was four years before I was finally seduced into resubbing, and it's actually helped me a great deal in relearning the game to start my Druid over again with people I know on Doomhammer instead of picking up my old 60 Druid on Silver Hand.

[Sheepherder]

Hmm...  Depending on if enough F13 people want to show up I might consider moving a character to Kirin Tor.  In the meantime, I have a new DK there that I can use for running alts.

[Fordel]

F13 people never last longer then a month, tops.   

[Signe]

People here playing WoW seem to have lasted much much longer than in most other games.  I've been playing for a couple of months now and Righ since beta.  It's why this game hasn't been sent off to the graveyard, no?

[Fordel]

Yes, but we all live separate little WoW-lives away from each other and just stumbled into each other here.


The "hay, lets all play on THIS server" gatherings, those never seem to last.

[Ingmar]

Why do you think I haven't invited them all to our server? 

[Fordel]

Because you don't want any of them to usurp your Tank Throne? 

[Nevermore]

Don't worry, my dual wield Frost DK will take care of that! 

[Lantyssa]

Even if you don't intend to actually play your Death Knight, you owe it to yourself finish the quest line up until you can interact with the rest of Azeroth. 

Also, how long were you out of the game?  It was four years before I was finally seduced into resubbing, and it's actually helped me a great deal in relearning the game to start my Druid over again with people I know on Doomhammer instead of picking up my old 60 Druid on Silver Hand.

I do plan on playing my Death Knight.  It was just getting close to bed time when I logged off.  I really like the look of the armor on my new Draenei, and durable characters appeal to me.  Peeking at the talent tree, I can see a neat triple spec I'd like to try.

Other than the two days I got to play around Thanksgiving, it's been a little under two years since I played last.  I'd relearn fast enough, if I could stick to a single character, and make it past the trial period.  I'm just not sure I am ready for the commitment.

I did find some people from my old guild are still around.  They're cool enough, but I wasn't that close to them and they're all level 80 now.  At least for the time being I have an OOC channel I can chatter aimlessly in.  Ingmar, if we should ever end up on the same server and group, your tanking is safe from me.  As much as I love tanky classes, I have no interest in being a group's tank.  It's way too stressful for me.  I just want to be able to smack things and not die when they smack me back.  I only try to step in during those situations where everything's gone wrong and the squishies need someone, anyone, to pull things off them now.

Hmm...  Depending on if enough F13 people want to show up I might consider moving a character to Kirin Tor.  In the meantime, I have a new DK there that I can use for running alts.

I wouldn't suggest transfering to play there unless you were going to do so anyways.  Who knows if I'll be around once the trial runs out, and I'm notorious for soloing unless people forcibly group me.  I was just curious if anyone played where I had established characters.

[Ingmar]

I'm not actually worried about that, Fordel just has years of paladin tanking inferiority complex he likes to take out on me. 

[Hindenburg]

PUG'ing around on my female dorf frost dk I noticed a couple of things.
First: most DK's suck balls.
Second: people love death gripping melee and leaving ranged to gather pats.
Third: no one seems to know that death grip is a fucking taunt.
Fourth: no one uses DG or Ice Shackles on runners. Ever.
Fifth: Stoneform > DK's.

Ingmar, your server's time is horrid.

[Sheepherder]

I wouldn't suggest transfering to play there unless you were going to do so anyways.  Who knows if I'll be around once the trial runs out, and I'm notorious for soloing unless people forcibly group me.  I was just curious if anyone played where I had established characters.

Well, in the past month my guild has changed their loot system four times in furtherance of their goal of becoming more hardcore.  The supposed goal of all these changes is so that the entire guild can get geared up to the point where they can get Naxx on farm and progress quickly when Ulduar comes out, yet last night I learned that eight people did an achievement run in Naxx-10 (and of course, these are the same people that have been running invitation-only raids since TBC release, who comprise the majority of the officers).  They are now tracking attendance and consumable usage of all players so that anyone who can manage 70% attendance with consumable buffs on every boss fight can get a "raider" rank and have 10 added to their loot rolls and be granted access to the guild bank tab containing consumables and gems, but have not yet kicked (or even spoken with directly) anyone from raid or denied them this special status for being mouthbreathingly stupid.

We are raiding tonight, and I get the feeling that I'm going to be passed up for loot once or twice by our new "loot council" arrangement because I managed to get two pieces of T7 and some non-set epics on my own time.  That is if I even manage to get invited to the raid.  My one brother has left the guild because he has been a raid leader before and can see the clownshoes, my other brother left because new raid rules dictate that he couldn't raid Naxx 25 or Malygos with brother #1 or with other friends who had left the guild, I personally have trouble with leaving because I don't want to be an ungrateful asshole.  That being said, I'm left wondering what I owe these people, and all I can come up with so far is a vicious stabbing in the brain.

So yeah, I might be looking for other people to play with soon.  At the very least I can run you through SM a few times.

EDIT: Itto speaks truth, divided the wall of seething hatred into paragraphs for easy reading.

[Paelos]

Just leave now. You'll save yourself the trouble of going through the drama-bomb that is inevitbaly ticking in that guild. Any guild who starts changing loot rules midway through content only does it to give the leader's friends a bigger advantage. If you aren't direct friends with the leader, you will get fucked. The loot council is also something you should ALWAYS leave a raid over if you don't consider the leaders to be fair or respectful. It's basically a blank check for subjective abuse in the guise of "fairness" to the poor downtrodden who can't win a roll. That's never how it works out.

I've been a raid leader in pretty much everything since BWL, and I can tell you right now that your leaders are either corrupt or stupid. Consumables and ~2/3 attendence are probably the most bare bones requirements for joining up on a raid. Incentivizing that with rolls instead of looking at the raid performance makes very little sense. If you want to be hardcore, you don't give benefits to people that do the basics, you remove the people who are fuckups.

[Fordel]

I'm not actually worried about that, Fordel just has years of paladin tanking inferiority complex he likes to take out on me. 

Random loot is random, unless your name is Thorgrim, then your loot drops on the first run! 

[Sjofn]

I'm not actually worried about that, Fordel just has years of paladin tanking inferiority complex he likes to take out on me. 

Random loot is random, unless your name is Thorgrim, then your loot drops on the first run! 

C'mon, he had to run heroic Halls of Stone twice. Be fair!

[rattran]

I'm considering starting a DK space-goat on a new server, Thrall's queues and jerks have gotten me down. And the economy is just weird.