Viable/Valuable play style?

[Rodivar]

I think it's a testament to how interesting the game is, that people find spies useful enough for there to be espionage and counter-espionage.  For example, in WoW the costs of death (especilaly PVP death) are so low that no one cares enough to spy.

Agreed, while the "spy" thing was mildly annoying for a micro moment, it did highlight the fact that people care enough to spy. 

I can see how people get so deep already.  I've spent more time "planning" my various characters than playing those characters. 

I just subscribed tonight, if only to see how deep this goes plus it's hard to spy on a 14 day account and I figure at 50 post I will magically become a non-spy  :)

[FatuousTwat]

Bleh, corps is what I mean of course. Anyone have any idea?

[Slayerik]

Rod, if you didn't agree with everything anyone ever says I wouldn't think you are a spy.

But now, you're suspect! Again! Muahahahahah

[Endie]

If I was you I'd go and join Eve University.  They do a great job with newbies and you won't be turning up in the middle of a Vernichtungskrieg.

The recruitment thread you complain about is, if you notice, asking for F13 posters (you've posted more in this thread than in two years, and yes, our enemies are, by definition, MMO players some of whom do read these boards).  Alternatively, if you are a friend of an F13 poster you can get them to sponsor you in.  But they'll get booted if you fuck up or fuck us up.

And Roentgen was asking to join when we were in Aegis Militia, about whom nobody cared, and into whose other corps anyone could join without the effort of infiltrating F13.

The OSS, Tribute region.

Man, someone (you) should write down the early days: I only knew about the history as far back as the -V- thing, and that only as much as i could piece together from old posts.

Also, is that why Sir T has some of the oldest kills on the Goon killboards, or is that a coincidence?

[Yoru]

I'll see what I can do. I wasn't in F13corp itself until spring '06; prior to that I was running around with a small corp of workmates. I believe F13corp itself was formed around Christmas '05 by our very own Viin.

Oh, the halcyon days of peacefully mining omber in Molden Heath with Kyra Veronis and Ca'adwin Shiin in an Osprey. 

Edit: As for Sir T, I don't think so - T, what's your character's name, man? I don't recall you being around for the early F13corp days.

[Rodivar]

Rod, if you didn't agree with everything anyone ever says I wouldn't think you are a spy.

But now, you're suspect! Again! Muahahahahah

I know, I know what a perfect quandary.  If I moan and cry I'm too pressed, if I agree, I'm too agreeable. 

This really is a special moment in time. 


Endie:  I actually got the same advice in f13 channel and thank you, it's a sound plan that I think I will follow. 

The proverbial Catch-22, how special!!

Edit: Regarding my comments about the recruiting post, I was just pointing out the incongruity of recruiting while as a matter of practice accusing those recruits who respond of being Spy's.  When I saw others in the same situation the irony was too juicy to pass up.


Plus I was bored :)

[Endie]

I'll see what I can do. I wasn't in F13corp itself until spring '06; prior to that I was running around with a small corp of workmates. I believe F13corp itself was formed around Christmas '05 by our very own Viin.

Oh, the halcyon days of peacefully mining omber in Molden Heath with Kyra Veronis and Ca'adwin Shiin in an Osprey. 

Edit: As for Sir T, I don't think so - T, what's your character's name, man? I don't recall you being around for the early F13corp days.

Sir T (Himo Amasacia) wasn't in OSS, but he was in Syndicate back then, so far as I know, in EUC, who flew with OSS and the nascent Goonfleet.

[Sir T]

I'll see what I can do. I wasn't in F13corp itself until spring '06; prior to that I was running around with a small corp of workmates. I believe F13corp itself was formed around Christmas '05 by our very own Viin.

Oh, the halcyon days of peacefully mining omber in Molden Heath with Kyra Veronis and Ca'adwin Shiin in an Osprey. 

Edit: As for Sir T, I don't think so - T, what's your character's name, man? I don't recall you being around for the early F13corp days.

I wasn't. I came to F13 originally becasue it was one of the sites I used to datamine and compare and sift information from when I was posting a lot on Kugutsumen.com. My Character name is Himo Amasacia.

The reason i have thiose old kills is that I lived in Solitude while Goonfleet was in Syndicate. There was a pain in the ass allaince that lived off a 10/10 complex in Syndicate which was called Black Riegn Syndicate. Goonfleet teamed up with the local alliances (incuding OSS and my alliance, Antigo Dominion) to destroy them and drive them out of Y9G-KS, thier home. I was one of the fighters that helped out in that war, and it was a total success, and then Goonfleet left to head south immediatly afterwards. BRS disbanded as a result of the war and leamed up with the local asshole alliances that thought they were shit hot, and formed Anarchy Empire, that went around beating everyone up till the Russians took their plex, at which point they started collapsing, left for deeper 0.0 and to help out BOB as they still thought they were shit hot, and their leader SKRooster ran them into the ground just like he had the 3 previous incarnations of Black Riegn Syndicate. To this day he is running around Syndicate like a ghost, ganking newbies and smacking to everyone about how great he still thinks he is, and picking up the gullible to lead till they realise how full of shit he is.

My personal favorite kill from that time is this http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/135952, partly becasue the guy was an arrogant fuck that thought he was unkillable in a Dominix (after that kill he swapped to a Megthron for the extra armour), but mainly becasue I outdamaged Remedial's carrier using T1 Ogres! \O/

[Endie]

SKRooster (now in D-L I think) has been a consistent faggot throughout his time in the game.

He is also the proven past-master of ctrl-Q.

[Sparky]

I liked the Rooster.  Always good for a bit of banter in local.  Now "Daddy" OTOH   

[Roentgen]

I'm not alone!!!!


http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=13990.0

Serious question, why put up a recruiting thread  http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=15037.0   if by simply replying and having few post, you are suspected of being a SPY?

If I had made 50 asshat post on stupid topics would I be less likely to be a spy?

Anyway just some food for thought and thanks to those who have been so helpful both here and in game, very much appreciated. 

I also had a long-time poster with much history with F-13 (the website, not the corp) vouch for me.   

[Rodivar]

I'm not alone!!!!


http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=13990.0

Serious question, why put up a recruiting thread  http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=15037.0   if by simply replying and having few post, you are suspected of being a SPY?

If I had made 50 asshat post on stupid topics would I be less likely to be a spy?

Anyway just some food for thought and thanks to those who have been so helpful both here and in game, very much appreciated. 

I also had a long-time poster with much history with F-13 (the website, not the corp) vouch for me.   

Well in that case, since I've been around since Waterthread does that mean I can vouch for someone else?   

[Slayerik]

I knew that old f13 account would come in useful one day, just so happens to be in my BLATANT SPYING

[Amarr HM]

I'm not alone!!!!


http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=13990.0

Serious question, why put up a recruiting thread  http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=15037.0   if by simply replying and having few post, you are suspected of being a SPY?

If I had made 50 asshat post on stupid topics would I be less likely to be a spy?

Anyway just some food for thought and thanks to those who have been so helpful both here and in game, very much appreciated. 

I also had a long-time poster with much history with F-13 (the website, not the corp) vouch for me.   

Well in that case, since I've been around since Waterthread does that mean I can vouch for someone else?   

You have to have at least 1000 posts before you can vouch for someone, I'm posting inane shit like this for a buddy of mine.

[Jayce]

Well in that case, since I've been around since Waterthread does that mean I can vouch for someone else?   

Here, the Vedi test comes into play:

Mole, imo.

Someone should institute an exam for claimed Lum-lurkers so they could be certified.
  "What did Lum think of WW2 Online?"
  "Who is SirBruce (and do we even want to know)?"
  "What is Waterthread?"

Since you can look those answers up in the original thread, let me see if I can come up with some others:
1- What did Eldin do with the server fund?
2- Name 2 contributors on Lum's site
3- What's a fetuspult?

Extra points if you can recite (at least some part of) the lineage of the LTM Diaspora

[Rodivar]

Well in that case, since I've been around since Waterthread does that mean I can vouch for someone else?   

Here, the Vedi test comes into play:

Mole, imo.

Someone should institute an exam for claimed Lum-lurkers so they could be certified.
  "What did Lum think of WW2 Online?"
  "Who is SirBruce (and do we even want to know)?"
  "What is Waterthread?"

Since you can look those answers up in the original thread, let me see if I can come up with some others:
1- What did Eldin do with the server fund?
2- Name 2 contributors on Lum's site
3- What's a fetuspult?

Extra points if you can recite (at least some part of) the lineage of the LTM Diaspora

1- Spent it on a trip to England?  This one was the hardest, I know Pika The Mad wanted back bills paid and the rest to go to charity but I have no idea if that happened. 
2- Too Easy (Google)
3- Again Too Easy (catapult that launches fetuses)

Extra Credit Edit: Removed Link not the best example...plenty of "googleable connection references"

Come on, think they didn't teach me to use "The Google" in "Spy School" ?

[Rodivar]

I'm not alone!!!!


http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=13990.0

Serious question, why put up a recruiting thread  http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=15037.0   if by simply replying and having few post, you are suspected of being a SPY?

If I had made 50 asshat post on stupid topics would I be less likely to be a spy?

Anyway just some food for thought and thanks to those who have been so helpful both here and in game, very much appreciated. 

I also had a long-time poster with much history with F-13 (the website, not the corp) vouch for me.   

Well in that case, since I've been around since Waterthread does that mean I can vouch for someone else?   

You have to have at least 1000 posts before you can vouch for someone, I'm posting inane shit like this for a buddy of mine.

So 1000 asshat post have more value than Year(s) 

No wonder you all have a spy problem :)

JK, it's all good, I'm just having fun now but this does pose a issue for me in one way.  Suppose in the course of being recruited by others I came across information of a pending attack, what should I do?

If I disclose the information I will be seen as a spy who knew somethign they should not or is trying to curry favor. 

Now I don't have any information about any attack, just want to get some guidance on the front side.   

[Endie]

OK I believe you, you're in.

[Endie]

j/k you're a spy.

Plus you'd be trolled out of the swarm in a week, and then they'd send smarter spies.

[Rodivar]

j/k you're a spy.

Plus you'd be trolled out of the swarm in a week, and then they'd send smarter spies.

I am the best spy they have but I am not alone.

How many have you accepted recently? 

The Titan loss was only a ploy, an expensive ploy but one that has achieved the desired impact. 

Think about the odds.....

(this spy stuff is kinda fun)

/OOC Truth is, I'm more than likely going try and join Eve University, it looks like a good place to learn. 

[Comstar]

Someone should institute an exam for claimed Lum-lurkers so they could be certified.
  "What did Lum think of WW2 Online?"
  "Who is SirBruce (and do we even want to know)?"
  "What is Waterthread?"

Since you can look those answers up in the original thread, let me see if I can come up with some others:
1- What did Eldin do with the server fund?
2- Name 2 contributors on Lum's site
3- What's a fetuspult?

Extra points if you can recite (at least some part of) the lineage of the LTM Diaspora

Oh Oh, seeing as he failed to answer, I want to play this game!

Q1- Lum was not impressed, and his writing to show his displeasure is one of the great legacies of WW2OL's launch.

Q2- MMOG gadfly, WW2OL investor (he later sold his stake) and man who had to reply to EVERY comment, line or even word with anyone he disagreed with. Which was pretty much everyone. Was banned multiple times, let back in after seeming to behave, and banzored again for the same reasons. Later on gained kudos for running a MMOG player chart website. Got sick with something...um, is he dead? I haven't seen him post for a long long time, though I know he had accounts on the LTM successor states/forums.

Q3- Successor state to www.lumthemad.com after Lum got a job at DOAC and a shitstorm developed over it. Killed by a immature jerk who took the server money and run off on a holiday with his boyfriend.  So named for an ongoing thread(s) on LTM that went on forever.

There's a novel waiting to be written there. Full of Legends, Hero's, Villians and scoundrels.

 Forum wars.  Forum wars never change,

[Rodivar]

Someone should institute an exam for claimed Lum-lurkers so they could be certified.
  "What did Lum think of WW2 Online?"
  "Who is SirBruce (and do we even want to know)?"
  "What is Waterthread?"

Since you can look those answers up in the original thread, let me see if I can come up with some others:
1- What did Eldin do with the server fund?
2- Name 2 contributors on Lum's site
3- What's a fetuspult?

Extra points if you can recite (at least some part of) the lineage of the LTM Diaspora

Oh Oh, seeing as he failed to answer, I want to play this game!

Q1- Lum was not impressed, and his writing to show his displeasure is one of the great legacies of WW2OL's launch.

Q2- MMOG gadfly, WW2OL investor (he later sold his stake) and man who had to reply to EVERY comment, line or even word with anyone he disagreed with. Which was pretty much everyone. Was banned multiple times, let back in after seeming to behave, and banzored again for the same reasons. Later on gained kudos for running a MMOG player chart website. Got sick with something...um, is he dead? I haven't seen him post for a long long time, though I know he had accounts on the LTM successor states/forums.

Q3- Successor state to www.lumthemad.com after Lum got a job at DOAC and a shitstorm developed over it. Killed by a immature jerk who took the server money and run off on a holiday with his boyfriend.  So named for an ongoing thread(s) on LTM that went on forever.

There's a novel waiting to be written there. Full of Legends, Hero's, Villians and scoundrels.

 Forum wars.  Forum wars never change,

You answered the first set that had already been answered earlier in the thread  /golf clap   

EDIT: But thank you for the kind help in the game, much appreciated.

[palmer_eldritch]

Someone should institute an exam for claimed Lum-lurkers so they could be certified.
  "What did Lum think of WW2 Online?"
  "Who is SirBruce (and do we even want to know)?"
  "What is Waterthread?"

Since you can look those answers up in the original thread, let me see if I can come up with some others:
1- What did Eldin do with the server fund?
2- Name 2 contributors on Lum's site
3- What's a fetuspult?

Extra points if you can recite (at least some part of) the lineage of the LTM Diaspora

Oh Oh, seeing as he failed to answer, I want to play this game!

Q1- Lum was not impressed, and his writing to show his displeasure is one of the great legacies of WW2OL's launch.

Q2- MMOG gadfly, WW2OL investor (he later sold his stake) and man who had to reply to EVERY comment, line or even word with anyone he disagreed with. Which was pretty much everyone. Was banned multiple times, let back in after seeming to behave, and banzored again for the same reasons. Later on gained kudos for running a MMOG player chart website. Got sick with something...um, is he dead? I haven't seen him post for a long long time, though I know he had accounts on the LTM successor states/forums.

Q3- Successor state to www.lumthemad.com after Lum got a job at DOAC and a shitstorm developed over it. Killed by a immature jerk who took the server money and run off on a holiday with his boyfriend.  So named for an ongoing thread(s) on LTM that went on forever.

There's a novel waiting to be written there. Full of Legends, Hero's, Villians and scoundrels.

 Forum wars.  Forum wars never change,

If Q3 is the answer to "What is Waterthread", you've got Waterthread and Slownewsday confused.

Spy!!

[Rodivar]

I can say I know the whole Lum/Eldinrant/MJ/SlowNewsday/frontend/backend/adminrights/massban/moneygone/siteforsell/whatthehell...

Story...

[NiX]

Shit, you send the spy to some corp that helps newbies learn and you thrust me into 0.0 to die and sweep up wrecks? This is what thousands of posts gets me?

You're all fuckers!

[Nerf]

Shit, you send the spy to some corp that helps newbies learn and you thrust me into 0.0 to die and sweep up wrecks? This is what thousands of posts gets me?

You're all fuckers!

Have I said thanks for the $1.75 and free month yet?

Thanks ^_^

[Endie]

How has nobody mentioned SirBruce and domestic animals yet?  I mean, it was a whole second meaning to Woodcocking.

[Jayce]

Shit, you send the spy to some corp that helps newbies learn and you thrust me into 0.0 to die and sweep up wrecks? This is what thousands of posts gets me?

Dying and sweeping up wrecks is a lot more fun.

[Rodivar]

I'm currently waiting in the Que to do my Eve University interview. 

Wish me luck. 

Sad potential to be excluded from the training corp....

[NiX]

They interview you, eh? Dress sharp! What could they possibly ask you?

[Rodivar]

I'm thinking any references to F13, would be a bad start    :)

[Nevermore]

They interview you, eh? Dress sharp! What could they possibly ask you?

Are you new?
The Uni is set up to help new players but will accept older ones on occasion if given a good reason.  Note that that's new *players*, not experienced players with new alts.  I imagine there's also a process for joining as an instructor but I don't know what it is.

Will you respect the Uni rules?
ie: no piracy, can flipping or general asshatery.  While there's certainly a place for all of that in Eve, the Uni is firmly in the White Hat arena.

There might be a few other questions, I don't really remember.  It's not exactly a lengthy or in-depth process, unless they get a funny feeling about you.  Rodivar gives off that Spy vibe, so he might get a more extensive grilling. 

[Rodivar]

They interview you, eh? Dress sharp! What could they possibly ask you?

Are you new?
The Uni is set up to help new players but will accept older ones on occasion if given a good reason.  Note that that's new *players*, not experienced players with new alts.  I imagine there's also a process for joining as an instructor but I don't know what it is.

Will you respect the Uni rules?
ie: no piracy, can flipping or general asshatery.  While there's certainly a place for all of that in Eve, the Uni is firmly in the White Hat arena.

There might be a few other questions, I don't really remember.  It's not exactly a lengthy or in-depth process, unless they get a funny feeling about you.  Rodivar gives off that Spy vibe, so he might get a more extensive grilling. 

I did notice they are not friendly with the swarm so I made sure to put my loose association in my bio just to add to the intrigue. 

[NiX]

Are you new?

Yes, yes I am. I've only been playing for 9 days. You're so insensitive!

(Thanks for the info though, didn't know how serious it was.)

[Rodivar]

Ok done and in Eve U. 

To those who suggested I look there, thanks. 

Without going into detail, I can't imagine a more professional process and interview for a game corp/guild. 

The questions are basically to find out if you understand Eve U, why Eve U, what you want to do in the game, that you are willing to participate in the game by their standards (no smack talk, pirating, stealing ect..ect.) who your characters are.  The other part is informative, they make sure you know there are resources to learn about all facets of the game.  All in all the interaction was 10 on a scale of 1-10, no joke, these folks take making the game fun and full seriously. 

The RO (recruitment officers) take the job serious but not in a bad or lording way, instead in a "we want to keep who we are" kind of way. 

Color me impressed.....

CCP should be paying these folks....