Wii: Official console of Great Depression 2

[Sluggo140]

So on that note does anyone have the release date for "GET OFF MY LAWN".  I hear you play an old man waving a newspaper. I hear its gonna make colostomy bags burst all over the nursing home circuit with excitement. I also hear "Stirring The Biscuits" and "Mowing" are being released by Old Motherfucker games next year. Now I will confess that I do own a wii. The most I've played it has been within the last two months since I added homebrew. I did enjoy Super Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime Corruption but even on corruption the controller aimed like a rolling pin rather than something that resembled a futuristic weapon. The thing is gyroscopic is pretty cool stuff but when you have a bunch of mediocre games then what's the point. On one other point..let's start making these games a little more honest I mean jesus can't we show some scavies on those guys in carnival games..where are the cheap easy skanky girls that hang out by the goldfish toss?

[Yegolev]

Alright, that made me chuckle a bit.

The most I've played it has been within the last two months since I added homebrew.

I guess the Wii is the Civic of consoles and you have been watching too much Fast and Furious.  I'm envisioning a chartreuse Wii with silver trim and a large spoiler.  Did you add some tribal striping down the side?

[schild]

Alright, that made me chuckle a bit.

The most I've played it has been within the last two months since I added homebrew.

I guess the Wii is the Civic of consoles and you have been watching too much Fast and Furious.  I'm envisioning a chartreuse Wii with silver trim and a large spoiler.  Did you add some tribal striping down the side?

I put a spoiler on my 360 to keep it from taking off. Mostly though, for looks. It's made out of wood. Much like the heat sync on the 360.

[Yegolev]

Alright, that made me chuckle a bit.

The most I've played it has been within the last two months since I added homebrew.

I guess the Wii is the Civic of consoles and you have been watching too much Fast and Furious.  I'm envisioning a chartreuse Wii with silver trim and a large spoiler.  Did you add some tribal striping down the side?

I put a spoiler on my 360 to keep it from taking off. Mostly though, for looks. It's made out of wood. Much like the heat sync on the 360.

The 360 is more like a Chevy Nova.  I might do some classic flames on that.  The Wii gets ground effects and neon.  I am thinking of replacing the back end with a kickass sound system.

[Jain Zar]

(Ive heard CoH finally dropped the debt thing according to the hostess of a local LARP group but until the Mac client gets finished I won't know for sure.)

CoH/V Mac client is now in open beta. There is still xp debt in-game, but the xp curve has been "smoothed out" and the title isn't as grindy as it once was.

Now, to return you to your previously scheduled show "Old School Gamers Complain That Kids These Days Don't Know What Gaming Is, Dagnabit".

Thanks to the god awful to navigate CoH forums I found the DL DMG.  Which leads to a 2.7 gig DL.  At circa 20k/sec.  OH GOD.  I had company over and we played the awesome Battlestar Galactica boardgame (made even more awesome via my use of Galactica Minimates and die cast ships!  I randomly pulled Apollo as my character and I had his Minimate out on the board sitting on top of a Mk7 Viper.  It was ^_^.  Drunken Tigh roaming about the ship was good for a laugh too...) and during that gametime plus post game BSing (god I want Wings of War and the prepainted bi/triplanes SO FUCKING BAD) it DLed about 350 megs.  From around 8pm-1am.  PAAAAIN...

And I wouldnt say I complain that kids these days know what gaming is.  More I question their taste in games. 

But I question a lot of things.  Its why I am so goddamned cheerful all the time.  Too bad Zoloft makes me gain weight.  It took some of the edge off plus fucked up dreams as a nice bonus.

[Triforcer]

/nostalgia rant

Now that I'm a real working person, there is only one pure wasteful luxury I want.  Not a fancy car, not a big TV, or anything like that.  When I was a kid, all the weddings in the county were held at the Knights of Columbus building.  They had this old Spy Hunter arcade machine for years and years- just a quarter a play.  During those long boring weddings, me and the rest of the kids just fed quarters into that machine to see who could get as far as the boathouse (or even the SNOW!- god, I'll never forget getting to the snow the first time).

Then one day it was gone, I've never seen the machine since.  I want it desperately, but an original machine probably costs as much as a house down payment now. 

/rantoff

[Sluggo140]

Alright, that made me chuckle a bit.

The most I've played it has been within the last two months since I added homebrew.

I guess the Wii is the Civic of consoles and you have been watching too much Fast and Furious.  I'm envisioning a chartreuse Wii with silver trim and a large spoiler.  Did you add some tribal striping down the side?

Man my wii has NOS and 20s on it. Actually its bright neon green with a red tinfoil dragon on the hood....its bad ass just because I can play bionic commando on it now. Oh I just heard that there's been another new game added to the lineup from Old Motherfucker games. Its specifically for the wii fit board, "HELP, I've fallen and I can't get up"

The thing that nintendo may have not realized is that what they have created is the equivalent of a gateway drug. Its only a matter of time before the Soccer Moms decide to take out their suburban angst of Halo 3 and CoD type games. The gaming experience on the wii is limited with the crap assortment of games they've put out lately. Before long the next thing you know she's progressed past the xbox 360 and has joined a WoW guild..then her descent into gaming madness is complete.

[Yegolev]

You are somewhat correct about the gateway, but girls are always girls.  My wife grew up watching/helping her brother play Breath of Fire and other things or the era, but today she's not into the games that the Halotards are into.  She likes Saint's Row and GTA but not Fallout 3 (mostly due to Bloody Mess ).  She would still be playing The Sims 2 if she could get it to run anymore, and has done such silly things as Lost in Blue 1/2, The Sims Castaway, MySims, and she even has MySims Kingdom under the tree.  Sure, she calls me a fag for playing Hello Kitty Online and laughs at me for wanting the new Animal Crossing, but she's still a girl that likes to dress up people in a house she designed.

The Wii can be a gateway but it's not going to lead to Call of Duty for everyone.

[Sluggo140]

You are somewhat correct about the gateway, but girls are always girls.  My wife grew up watching/helping her brother play Breath of Fire and other things or the era, but today she's not into the games that the Halotards are into.  She likes Saint's Row and GTA but not Fallout 3 (mostly due to Bloody Mess ).  She would still be playing The Sims 2 if she could get it to run anymore, and has done such silly things as Lost in Blue 1/2, The Sims Castaway, MySims, and she even has MySims Kingdom under the tree.  Sure, she calls me a fag for playing Hello Kitty Online and laughs at me for wanting the new Animal Crossing, but she's still a girl that likes to dress up people in a house she designed.

The Wii can be a gateway but it's not going to lead to Call of Duty for everyone.

She calls you a fag for playing Hello Kitty. Mine just gets pissed off when she can't earn the pogo badges she wants. She was all hardcore on animal crossing though. I heard the new one isn't that great. The sim games are her favs though, especially the whole harvest moon series. I will say that Mario Party 8 on wii was pretty cool..that was the first game we bought so that we could all play together. HUGE Plus though is that she still supports my gaming habit and doesn't mind getting me the latest toys, as long as its not diablo II (gwar wrote a song about my experiences with diablo 2 it was called "The Years Without Light")

[mutantmagnet]

Its only a matter of time before the Soccer Moms decide to take out their suburban angst of Halo 3 and CoD type games. The gaming experience on the wii is limited with the crap assortment of games they've put out lately. Before long the next thing you know she's progressed past the xbox 360 and has joined a WoW guild..then her descent into gaming madness is complete.

Yes that's what we need more of. Mothers online telling their pk goofball of son to stop trash talking and get back to their studies....


Wait a minute! That's exactly what MMOs need to curb some of the silliness.

[Sluggo140]

Its only a matter of time before the Soccer Moms decide to take out their suburban angst of Halo 3 and CoD type games. The gaming experience on the wii is limited with the crap assortment of games they've put out lately. Before long the next thing you know she's progressed past the xbox 360 and has joined a WoW guild..then her descent into gaming madness is complete.

Yes that's what we need more of. Mothers online telling their pk goofball of son to stop trash talking and get back to their studies....


Wait a minute! That's exactly what MMOs need to curb some of the silliness.

Either that or create their own guild of PKing moms

[Cyrrex]

An install base of 200M means jack shit if the attach rate for anything that's not a ninty title is god awful. You're not seeing that AAA stuff because it's not worth the dev time.

The attach rate on the Wii has been equal to or marginally higher than the PS3's. Try again.

You're not seeing AAA stuff becuase the dev's think they are too "good" for making games on the system, or they just aren't smart enough to figure out how to use waggle for anything but gimmicks and remapping traditional controls.

They are also, obviously, very risk averse these days.  It's just easier to make Madden 2042 and make a crappy port of it for the Wii...so their entire library is littered with a bunch of absolute garbage that anyone in there right mind would rather be playing the 360 or PS3 version.  Who does that leave to develop awesome games for the Wii? 

[Big Gulp]

They are also, obviously, very risk averse these days.  It's just easier to make Madden 2042 and make a crappy port of it for the Wii...so their entire library is littered with a bunch of absolute garbage that anyone in there right mind would rather be playing the 360 or PS3 version.  Who does that leave to develop awesome games for the Wii? 

I think one of the Wii's problems with 3rd party developers is that the only one who has really done well on the platform is Guitar Hero World Tour, and let's be honest, Guitar Hero is a pet rock.  It's it's own little thing, and it being successful isn't indicative of other third party games being successful.  If I were Epic would I be in any hurry to produce a Wii version of something like Gears of War?  Not really, because A) you'll have to water down the graphics dramatically, and B) it's doubtful that the game would be a success.

Porting most of these PS3/360 games isn't porting, it's more like building a brand new product.  When the attach rate on the non-Nintendo games is shitty to begin with it's hard to justify that kind of expense.

Honestly, when I was playing Soul Calibur on my Dreamcast 10 years ago I would never have thought that the most popular console a decade later would be something that was graphically inferior to what I currently had.  It's mind boggling.

[Cyrrex]

I meant "porting" in the loosest sense of the word.  The reality is, as you suggest, that the game is different...and more importantly, inferior in every way (because you know the motion controlled shit will just get tacked on as an afterthought).  Not only would there be much less of a market for Gears of War on the Wii in general, but anybody who is likely to want to play it is going to want one of the superior versions on the more powerful systems.  And it ain't just graphics.

[Jain Zar]

Honestly, when I was playing Soul Calibur on my Dreamcast 10 years ago I would never have thought that the most popular console a decade later would be something that was graphically inferior to what I currently had.  It's mind boggling.

The Wii isn't inferior to the Dreamcast.  Its roughly 4 times as powerful as the Gamecube which is roughly twice as powerful as the Dreamcast.
Unless you think the Dreamcast could do Resident Evil 4, Remake of 1, and Zero to that level.

[Big Gulp]

Its roughly 4 times as powerful as the Gamecube which is roughly twice as powerful as the Dreamcast.

Keep telling yourself that.   

[Sluggo140]

Its roughly 4 times as powerful as the Gamecube which is roughly twice as powerful as the Dreamcast.

Keep telling yourself that.   

Wow no wonder it is completely awesome with virtual console games. Hey look I created you a new expensive console to play the old games that you once paid money for but I'm gonna sell em to you again. My childhood as been violated...thank god for the homebrew channel.

[Tale]

Wii is now the fastest selling console of all time: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7964459.stm (and there's an actual BBC spelling error - Nintento!)

I moved house six months ago and my Wii has sat next to my new TV for the entire time, and I've never actually bothered switching it on. My sister and her husband have started using theirs again though - as an internet-on-TV box to watch YouTube videos.

[Fabricated]

I just don't get it. Nothing worth a shit has been released for it for nearly a year now.

[schild]

I just don't get it. Nothing worth a shit has been released for it for nearly a year now.

What's not to get? It just confirms everything I've ever said about the mass market.

Tasteless, bland, and prone to fad.

[Hawkbit]

I learned my lesson, that's for sure. 

I was hoping for another wind waker though... but all I got was twilight princess.  I really wish I could take the thing into Gamehump but the wife wouldn't go for it.  I want a PS3, dammit!

[Triforcer]

I learned my lesson, that's for sure. 

I was hoping for another wind waker though... but all I got was twilight princess.  I really wish I could take the thing into Gamehump but the wife wouldn't go for it.  I want a PS3, dammit!

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Wind Waker has aged better than Twilight Princess for me.   I've beaten it at least five times, and even though I'm a Zelda fanatic I couldn't even bring myself to finish Twilight Princess.  I'm glad they are taking so long with this one, because the magic was starting to fade. 

[Tale]

I just don't get it. Nothing worth a shit has been released for it for nearly a year now.

What's not to get? It just confirms everything I've ever said about the mass market.

Tasteless, bland, and prone to fad.

Which is also why the commercial mass media broadcasts tasteless, bland, faddish news and entertainment :(

[Hawkbit]

I learned my lesson, that's for sure. 

I was hoping for another wind waker though... but all I got was twilight princess.  I really wish I could take the thing into Gamehump but the wife wouldn't go for it.  I want a PS3, dammit!

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Wind Waker has aged better than Twilight Princess for me.   I've beaten it at least five times, and even though I'm a Zelda fanatic I couldn't even bring myself to finish Twilight Princess.  I'm glad they are taking so long with this one, because the magic was starting to fade. 

I agree entirely.  A new Zelda is the main reason I don't push my wife into selling the damn thing.  Like you, I played wind waker two or three times.  I made it to the rock people in TP and quit.  Each time I try to play it again, I get bored and quit. 

[Demonix]

Having owned a wii for two years now, I'd like to weigh in on this thread that has briefly woken from its coma.

One of the problems i've seen in games that have come out for the wii is the god awful controls that are OBVIOUSLY designed with a more conventional controller in mind.  Since I don't buy ports, these are games that were developed for the wii.

Lets take resident evil Umbrella chronicles.  Here is a light gun game that has mapped its pickup/grenade to button A (top of wiimote) and its weapon switch button to button C on the nunchuck.  Keep in mind that your controller is locked into a plastic rifle frame and that some items only appear on screen for a second while you are trying to fend off 3 zombies at once;  this control scheme simply DOES NOT WORK and can lead to thrown controllers.

Another one, Dragon Quest Swords, has you run by pressing B and the up directional...a completely non-intuitive hand position for one hand.  This is a game in which time can be a factor...

Adding hand shake to DDR is a mistake too...

Anyway, other than that I mostly enjoy my wii for the occasional bout of light gun action as well as harvest moon type games.  I would love to see a decent RPG come out for it but for the most part you guys are right...we're seeing shovelware because no one predicted the wii would get such a market, no one knew the market even existed, and we are in a worldwide economic downturn.

PS:  add me to the Windwaker > Twilight Princess crowd.

[schild]

Having owned a wii for two years now

Most of us have.

[HaemishM]

There have been good games done for the console, and some decently innovative approaches, but there has been no ZOMG GREATEST THING EVAR! for the system. The waggle has been almost universally wasted - No More Heroes boss fights were some of the most recent good examples of the right way to use it. I even like Wii Music, though it's really more of a toy than a "game." I want to try out Mad World, but for me, the games that the system should have done well with (sports games, sword-fighting, and FPS) have been either shitty (sports games with the exception of MLB 2k8), shitty (sword-fighting except for No More Heroes) and shitty (FPS games with a few exceptions there haven't been enough, and half of what's been there has sucked it).

The hardware itself was fine. The attitude and output of the majority of the developers has been a fucking travesty. We all knew the mass market liked bland, uninspired shit, I just didn't expect the developers to produce as much bland, uninspired shit as they've done. It's like the dev companies put their MMOG teams on Wii development.

[Rasix]

Mad World is OK. I personally think No More Heroes is a lot better, even if Mad World got rid of a lot of the annoying bits of NMH (and in some places replaced it with other annoying bits).  It's mostly enjoyable, but probably better as a bargain bin purchase or renter.

Only games I've really gotten enamored with are No More Heroes and My Life as King.   The big use of the system is entertaining my nephews on the rare occasion they visit. It hasn't caught on with my wife at all, so there are still some non-gamer boundaries that it's not crossing.

[schild]

My Life as a King has a new version coming out. Sort of.

My Life as a Dark Lord.

Not kidding. It's the reverse, sort of.

And you know something, it'll be the second game on the Wii worth owning.

[Rasix]

I'll be all over that.  My Life as King was the ultimate one more turn game for me. 

You didn't like No More Heroes?

[schild]

I did, but it's not even remotely a killer app. It's just a decent action game. I preferred Killer 7.

If Travis' monologues had been through more of the game, or at the very least for every major boss fight, I think I would've liked it more. Basically, needed a lot more Travis.

[Yegolev]

The bike killed it for me.  The rest was good... mostly.

I think we are moving away from forced waggle.  This might help devs put something decent on it, however the trend has been set and whatnot.  Also the games look like ass.

[Velorath]

My Life as a King has a new version coming out. Sort of.

My Life as a Dark Lord.

Not kidding. It's the reverse, sort of.

And you know something, it'll be the second game on the Wii worth owning.

If I had a Wii, I'd be looking forward to the Punch Out remake myself.  Sounds like it had a pretty good showing at GDC, and it's remaking one of the greatest games of all time.

[Malakili]

As far as I'm concerned, consoles are for goofy games and sports games only.   Anything else worth playing is on the PC.  Wii is a good console for shenanigans, playing games with my girlfriend, and when we have guests over.    The fact that most Wii games suck is immaterial, most games for every platform suck, and that is nothing new.

[Cyrrex]

Apologies, if this has been mentioned somewhere already, but any of you heard or have more info about the new motion sensing addon they are getting close to releasing?  I saw a silly little article describing how it's "too good" in terms of it's accuracy/fidelity, and that they have had to scale it back.  Fuck me, but it's almost enough to make me frothy for my Wii again.