Lost [FINALE SPOILERS PAGE 25 ONWARDS]

[Evil Elvis]

Seen it.

[Mrbloodworth]

This is all just reinforcing my theory from session one, its all cyclic, the factions always stay the same, just the players progress.

[Ozzu]

Great episode. And we now know at least part of the significance of the numbers.

[Draegan]

Great episode. And we now know at least part of the significance of the numbers.

Not really.  Where are the number in between those?  Are they other people?

Also, I'm pretty sure that blond haired kid wasn't Jacob but some other "above the fray" guy.  Good ep though.

[HaemishM]

Very good episode. So Shadow Locke isn't a god, per se, but a man trapped on the island as a cosmic counterbalance - the yang to Jacob's yin (or vice versa). And he's damn tired of being on the island and wants off. To that end, he has to kill Jacob, which I assume triggers some sequence whereby both Jacob and anti-Locke gets replaced with some other sucker candidate, or at least lets him out of the contract so that he can find himself a replacement.

Lots of questions, most having to do with the sideways timeline. Is Ben Linus in Locke's school because he never went to the island (which would lead you to believe the island was sunk long before Ben would have gotten there, meaning the diverging of the timeline didn't happen in the '70's with the incident), or is it the scheming Ben from the island as part of some other plot? Both Locke and anti-Locke make the same statement when told they can't do something: "Don't tell me what I can't do." Or something to that effect. Does that mean anti-Locke escapes as real Locke and the sideways timeline is the way he does it? And why does the Latina Fun Bags on the beach know so much about the people on the island?

[tazelbain]

Locke's funeral was one of those great moments that can only happen on Lost.
Sawyer has become a pretty great character.  As a con man, he has to be expecting the con, he's basically good but very demoralized.  It's impossible to know what he is going to do.
Really curious what they are going with Ben, his request to be judged by the island was a sham.  So will he seek his redemption in other ways, or will he go back to his old ways?

EDIT:  Maybe Ben doesn't want redemption anymore if it was predicated on counterfeit resurrection.

[Soln]

yes great stuff.   Thank God we got through with Kate last week. 

[MrHat]

I couldn't help laughing whenever the dramatic lost noises came on during the alternate timeline whenever two Losties would meet each other.

So funny.

[Soln]

nice touch when Locke and Ben meet.  Ben teaches European History and Locke is a "substitute", which is the name of the episode.  And thus the whole revelation of the Losties as possible candidates, maybe.  I love the idea of Sawyer playing the long con.

[Rishathra]

Very good episode. So Shadow Locke isn't a god, per se, but a man trapped on the island as a cosmic counterbalance - the yang to Jacob's yin (or vice versa). And he's damn tired of being on the island and wants off. To that end, he has to kill Jacob, which I assume triggers some sequence whereby both Jacob and anti-Locke gets replaced with some other sucker candidate, or at least lets him out of the contract so that he can find himself a replacement.

Of course, this all assumes Flocke is telling Sawyer the truth.  Remember that conversation he had with Jacob in the finale.  He seemed more pissed that Jacob kept bringing annoying strangers to his fun party, than because he was trapped there.

And why does the Latina Fun Bags on the beach know so much about the people on the island?

This has been bothering me somewhat about *ahem* Latina Fun Bags.  She knew what was in the box.  She knew why they were carting it across the island to show to the Others.  But she didn't recognize Locke right off the bat when he first appeared?  Even if, for whatever reason, she didn't immediately look in the box to confirm what Mr. Black looks like, shouldn't she have been at least a little suspicious of some mysterious dude who appeared out of nowhere?  Especially when he says shit like, "I remember dying"?

[Lianka]

Did anyone notice the names that _weren't_ specifically pointed out on the wall?  Kate's, Claire's, and the other Kwon.  Did anyone catch them in the background, or were they completely absent?   

[Rishathra]

the other Kwon

Notice that when they went through the names, the scene where Jacob met them was replayed, and he made an effort to physically touch each of them?  He touched both Kwons on the shoulder, so it can be theorized that they are considered the same 'number,' whatever that actually means.

As to your actual question, I don't remember seeing the other names you mentioned, but the scene seemed to be deliberately staged so that the viewer would have a hard time deciphering names on the wall other than the showcased ones.  I imagine having a Tivo would help some, though.

[Samwise]

the other Kwon

Notice that when they went through the names, the scene where Jacob met them was replayed, and he made an effort to physically touch each of them?  He touched both Kwons on the shoulder, so it can be theorized that they are considered the same 'number,' whatever that actually means.

I suspect the ambiguity of this point is the sole reason that everyone is referenced by last name on the wall.  My guess is that the "important" Kwon is their child.

[Draegan]

There isn't enough time in the show left for their child to be of any consequence unless they do some time traveling later on (which the producers said they weren't going to do).

And here is someone elses theory from another message board regarding the new character (blond kid) that MiB and Sawyer can see.


I thought it was interesting.

[Evil Elvis]

I'm starting to think it's more and more likely that the flash-sideways is actually the ending of the show, and the other timeline will show us how that reality came into existence.

There are some inconsistencies that need to be explained if that's true (why did Jack have blood on his neck/seemingly recognize Desmond, where is Christian's corpse, why did Juliet say it worked if The Incident didn't cause the divergence, etc), but I could see satisfactory explanations for those questions that still fit in with the theory.

[Paelos]

At this point, even though they've said it isn't Atlantis, it just screams Atlantis.

[Draegan]

It does?

[KallDrexx]

Well the island IS underwater in the alternate reality...

[Paelos]

It does?

Mystical island, moving around that nobody can find through time, with ancient protectors and a crumbling set of old ruins and temples, magical powers, and outside forces that are trying desperately to get at. There's also a fountain of youth aspect to the island as well. And the whole thing ends up underwater in the other reality, as stated before.

I'm really really afraid at this point that what we think of as the alternate reality turns out to be the true reality, and what we witnessed was a whole bunch of dream-related bullshit that never really took place.

[Samwise]

Claire is 

[Ozzu]

Why the hell did Jack have to bust the sweet lighthouse dealie? I would have spun that fucker around a few times.

[Samwise]

Because every instinct Jack has is wrong.  He's George Costanza and he doesn't know it.

[HaemishM]

Jack is Jacob's replacement. The appearance of Dogan in the sideways timeline along with Jack's ability to get over his daddy issues for his own son (who didn't exist in the other timeline that I know of) tells me that the sideways timeline is a test to determine which candidate should replace which entity or something.

[Samwise]

Jack is Jacob's replacement. The appearance of Dogan in the sideways timeline along with Jack's ability to get over his daddy issues for his own son (who didn't exist in the other timeline that I know of) tells me that the sideways timeline is a test to determine which candidate should replace which entity or something.

Oo, I like that.  But then why are we seeing so much of Locke, if he's dead in the "real" timeline?

[HaemishM]

He's the smoke monster who has escaped the island, only he did so in a new body without knowledge of his previous life on the island. 

[Draegan]

The Man in Black took over Locke but I think there is a little piece of Locke still in there and he may come free one day...

[Lucas]

Muahhah, I want a splatter spin-off with Claire ripping body parts with her trustworthy hatchet 

[Samwise]

I would watch that show in a heartbeat.  Maybe she could team up with Sheri Moon Zombie as Baby Firefly.

[Lucas]

I mean, that "Are you still my friend Jin?"

Jin -----> "Yes!"
 

[Paelos]

This whole "Candidate" business just seems to be an expanded version of what we had with the hatch. Crazy dude living in his own zone trying desperately to keep the world from ending, waiting forever for a worthy replacement to relieve him of his duties.

[Cheddar]

Hurley is the new "Jacob."  Assuming that is the ending you are predicting.
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The two timelines will coincide.  As with most dual timeline theories they are starting to bleed together "Hey mom when did I get my appendix out?"  Whats gonna happen is Jacob will be revived, the crashies will take on the various roles around the island, and we will end where we began.  Spaceship or some such shit.

[Paelos]

Hurley is the new "Jacob."  Assuming that is the ending you are predicting.
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The two timelines will coincide.  As with most dual timeline theories they are starting to bleed together "Hey mom when did I get my appendix out?"  Whats gonna happen is Jacob will be revived, the crashies will take on the various roles around the island, and we will end where we began.  Spaceship or some such shit.

Yep, Hurley is the guy. I'm not sure about the melding part.

[Quinton]

Liking this season.  "That's not John.  That's my friend."  That's *creepy* is what that is. ^^

[Tebonas]

I really love this series right now. But I'm feeling a cognitive dissonance with the writers. I think I'm not supposed to cheer at the thought of Claire killing Kate. I think I should worry for poor Kate, but I say the sooner the better.

[Mrbloodworth]

Whos name was at 160.