Lost [FINALE SPOILERS PAGE 25 ONWARDS]

[ashrik]

I'm watching the episode right now and I just thought about how awesome and funny it'd be if Young Ben dies and Kate+Roger have a child and name it Ben, who then grows up to be big Ben.

I think my giggity muscle flexed when baby Aaron asked for milk

[HaemishM]

Who says Ben DOESN'T remember these Dharma people in the future? He's never said he does, but he never said he doesn't. I wouldn't put it past Ben to have known who was going to return to the '70's the whole time, which may have explained why he's done some of the things he's done to particular people. It may also explain why he took those 3 characters and held them prisoner at the beginning of season 2.

[Soln]

maybe.  but I thought it was the mysterious Jacob who asked for that list.

Who or what is Jacob, where and what is Christian and where is Clair all will be fun to discover.

Remember, when Jack found Christian's coffin, the body was gone...

[Ookii]

I found it helpful to remember that the smoke monster can take the shape of people, a lot more things make sense then. 

[Paelos]

You know, for an hardened assassin like Sayid standing over a fallen body where you shot the guy in the chest, he would put one in the head. Would you ever walk away from a person that integral that you wanted dead without making absofuckinglutely sure if you're standing over their body holding a gun? These things bother me. Also Ben took the shot right in the damn heart in the middle of the fucking jungle. He's toast.

ANYway, the best part of the episode to me was Jack finally getting it right. The rest of the characters seem to go on some moral crusade about saving a man who is basically responsible for mass genocide and their little 70s shantylife. THEN, after Richard warns them that by giving Ben to him that it's basically going to turn him into the fun-loving pyscho that they remember, they still do it?!?! Nobody even seems to bring up the fact that Ben is going to kill them all in any of this. The line of the show was Kate saying to Jack, "I don't like the new you. I like the old you who tried to help people instead of waiting for stuff to happen."

Jack: "You didn't like the old me, Kate."

[ashrik]

I DO love how everyone is indicating that they've all taken loads of, and are entirely done with, Kate's shit.

[Paelos]

Maybe she offs herself and makes everyone really happy in a later episode. Smoke Monster sacrifices!

[EWSpider]

I found it helpful to remember that the smoke monster can take the shape of people, a lot more things make sense then. 

I need a refresher.  When did this happen?

[Ookii]

I found it helpful to remember that the smoke monster can take the shape of people, a lot more things make sense then. 

I need a refresher.  When did this happen?

When some fanboi interviewed the writers.  Apparently it's implied.

[Quinton]

I always assume Ben knows a hell of a lot more than he lets on.  If he doesn't he fakes it.  In both cases he will lie about it.  If we know anything about Ben, it's that he's a compulsive liar, manipulative to the last, and he never, ever gives anyone any information for free.

"Ben lies.  That's what he does."  - Juliet

The last episode almost makes me think we'll be spared from yet another round of the kate/jack/sawyer relationship triangle crap, which would be an added bonus.

[Triforcer]

I found it helpful to remember that the smoke monster can take the shape of people, a lot more things make sense then. 

I need a refresher.  When did this happen?

When some fanboi interviewed the writers.  Apparently it's implied.

Didn't the smoke talk to Eko (in the shape of his brother) at some point?  I stopped watching two years ago but seem to remember that. 

[kaid]

He could not because he had not. Got to love time travel. Everything they do in the past they had already done in the past so nothing really can be changed all they can do is what they were already going to do but do not know they did.

You know, for an hardened assassin like Sayid standing over a fallen body where you shot the guy in the chest, he would put one in the head. Would you ever walk away from a person that integral that you wanted dead without making absofuckinglutely sure if you're standing over their body holding a gun? These things bother me. Also Ben took the shot right in the damn heart in the middle of the fucking jungle. He's toast.

ANYway, the best part of the episode to me was Jack finally getting it right. The rest of the characters seem to go on some moral crusade about saving a man who is basically responsible for mass genocide and their little 70s shantylife. THEN, after Richard warns them that by giving Ben to him that it's basically going to turn him into the fun-loving pyscho that they remember, they still do it?!?! Nobody even seems to bring up the fact that Ben is going to kill them all in any of this. The line of the show was Kate saying to Jack, "I don't like the new you. I like the old you who tried to help people instead of waiting for stuff to happen."

Jack: "You didn't like the old me, Kate."

[tazelbain]

My awesome meter just broke.

[Evil Elvis]

Yeah, I don't know how they're going to top that episode.

[ashrik]

Ashrik: If he broke up the Penny/Desmond destiny match up, I would have thrown a brick through my TV
Chris: When he shot Desmond
Chris: I screamed so loud I shit my pants and passed out
Ashrik: My heart stopped
Chris: yes but thank god
Ashrik: this new show looks very very promising
Chris: i bet its lame
Ashrik: I feel as if I'm expected to go "Oh boy, that IS unusual" every few minutes
Chris: hahaha
Chris: i know your doing that alone in your room

[Johny Cee]

I found it helpful to remember that the smoke monster can take the shape of people, a lot more things make sense then. 

I need a refresher.  When did this happen?

When some fanboi interviewed the writers.  Apparently it's implied.

Didn't the smoke talk to Eko (in the shape of his brother) at some point?  I stopped watching two years ago but seem to remember that. 

Yes.  Ben seeing Alex pretty much nails this down.

Also, "smoke monster!  Form of...." best explains things like Kate's horse and some of the other bits where people see folks that aren't on the island. 

[Ookii]

I love how they reveal something now and you get to see it within the same episode.  If this was season three going to the houses, summoning the smoke monster, and then actually going to where he comes from would have been 5 episodes.

[Teleku]

Wow, awesome episode.  Smoke monster form of his daughter bitching him out at the end was awesome.  Also, it again confirms what a bastard he is after it read his future plans from his head.  Even after I said I would NEVER AGAIN fall for Ben being decent in the slightest, they spent the whole damn episode building him up for redemption and sympathy, right up until the very end.  And I AGAIN started to fall for it.  God damn this show.

Also, the casual way they just sort of ended the Ceasar character was pretty awesome.  Has to be one of the shortest lived characters ever introduced, heh.

Also:

Because he was busy trying to kill Penny (since he saw Desmond at the church), just like he promised Widmore he would.

That's exactly what I'm thinking as well. I guess we'll find out soon if he was successful.

I'm going to firebomb the writers houses if he was successful, or kills Desmond in the attempt (one of my favorite characters).  I can only hope he attempted and Desmond kicked the ever loving shit out of him.

Totally called it  .

[Quinton]

Wow, awesome episode.  Smoke monster form of his daughter bitching him out at the end was awesome.  Also, it again confirms what a bastard he is after it read his future plans from his head.  Even after I said I would NEVER AGAIN fall for Ben being decent in the slightest, they spent the whole damn episode building him up for redemption and sympathy, right up until the very end.  And I AGAIN started to fall for it.  God damn this show.

Indeed.  Every single goddamn time.

Wow, season four, you do not disappoint me.


Soooo.... any bets until how long before Ben goes ahead and tries to kill Locke again anyway? ^^


Also, crazy theory time, I think we're due for a visit to "The Incident" at the Swan station, with a special guest visit from Daniel and our other 1970s time travelers.  My money is on that being their path Back To The Future (Hurley waving his hand waiting for it to vanish just killed me...)

[Sunbury]

Calling it now - (not read from spoiler) - we will never 'really know' exactly who/what/where/how the Smoke Monster is even when Lost ends.

Just some ancient thing on the island.   The Others/Hostiles don't even have a name for it (according to Ben...), but they use it/follow it.

[Ozzu]

I think last night's episode was the best of the season and one of the best of the series. That episode was just full of greatness. A couple of things I found particularly amusing/interesting:

John Locke. He seems very at-ease with everything going on. When Ben tells Sun to look out the window after she talks about him being dead, I expected him to be swinging on one of the swingsets. He just sorta wanders around kicking at the dirt, looking at the grass, and just knows things all of the sudden. He was already my favorite character, but right now, he's just so full of win.

I saw Anubis on the wall in the temple as I'm sure everyone else did. I guess that basically confirms what the statue is.

Speaking of the statue, what in the world are the other survivors of the flight doing with the "What lies in the shadow of the statute?" bullshit? I'm assuming they work for Whidmore? I can't see them just crashing on the island and then start quizzing people about the statue or having secret codes with each other. It's a little weird.

[MrHat]

Speaking of the statue, what in the world are the other survivors of the flight doing with the "What lies in the shadow of the statute?" bullshit? I'm assuming they work for Whidmore? I can't see them just crashing on the island and then start quizzing people about the statue or having secret codes with each other. It's a little weird.

Either that, another sect, or they went batshit insane.

[Teleku]

Speaking of the statue, what in the world are the other survivors of the flight doing with the "What lies in the shadow of the statute?" bullshit? I'm assuming they work for Whidmore? I can't see them just crashing on the island and then start quizzing people about the statue or having secret codes with each other. It's a little weird.

Well, the chick was obviously working for somebody, as she's the one who captured Sayid.  I'd say most likely Whidmore, but they sort of hinted she was working for somebody else.  In any event, she was obviously in on all this before they even got on the plane, and I guess it would make sense she would have some partners on the same plane to go with her.

[tazelbain]

Don't really care who they are.  Odds are there are other people looking for the Island.  But my guess is that they are Dharma 2.0.  That will get sorted out later.  Love how Lapidus decides not to follow Locke and ends up in deep shit.

[EWSpider]

I thought it was pretty obvious at the time that the chick that captured Sayid was hired (indirectly) by Ben under false pretenses to ensure Sayid would be on the airplane.  She told Sayid that she was hired by the family of one of the guys Sayid assassinated (the one he shot on the golf course).  Ben of course directed Sayid to assassinate said individual and would be able to fabricate the plausible story that she was being hired by said family to bring Sayid to justice.

[Rishathra]

I thought it was pretty obvious at the time that the chick that captured Sayid was hired (indirectly) by Ben under false pretenses to ensure Sayid would be on the airplane.  She told Sayid that she was hired by the family of one of the guys Sayid assassinated (the one he shot on the golf course).  Ben of course directed Sayid to assassinate said individual and would be able to fabricate the plausible story that she was being hired by said family to bring Sayid to justice.

That was the obvious conclusion until right at the end when she came at Lapidus with "What lies in the shadow of the statue?"  It could still be the case though, if what's happening to her and her buddies is the same thing that happened to Rousseau's shipmates.

I'm curious about Ben's statement to Rousseau when he took her baby.  "If you ever hear whispers, you run the other way."  I've been looking forward to finding out more about those whispers for a long time.  Has anyone else read the transcriptions of them that have been decoded online?  Fascinating stuff.

[Johny Cee]

I thought it was pretty obvious at the time that the chick that captured Sayid was hired (indirectly) by Ben under false pretenses to ensure Sayid would be on the airplane.  She told Sayid that she was hired by the family of one of the guys Sayid assassinated (the one he shot on the golf course).  Ben of course directed Sayid to assassinate said individual and would be able to fabricate the plausible story that she was being hired by said family to bring Sayid to justice.

That was the obvious conclusion until right at the end when she came at Lapidus with "What lies in the shadow of the statue?"  It could still be the case though, if what's happening to her and her buddies is the same thing that happened to Rousseau's shipmates.

I'm curious about Ben's statement to Rousseau when he took her baby.  "If you ever hear whispers, you run the other way."  I've been looking forward to finding out more about those whispers for a long time.  Has anyone else read the transcriptions of them that have been decoded online?  Fascinating stuff.

Whispers = Others nearby, I think.

[Arthur_Parker]

I bet time travel will explain everything in the end, the smoke is going to be skynet from the future or aliens landing in the past, they could tie it into BSG at this point.  I'm enjoying it though.

[Samwise]

I do hope we get a flashback to the distant past and the building of the temple at some point.

[tazelbain]

God did it!

[Soln]

whispers are the approaching smoke monster

smoke monster is an alien.  Which explains time travelzor.

[Johny Cee]

I bet time travel will explain everything in the end, the smoke is going to be skynet from the future or aliens landing in the past, they could tie it into BSG at this point.  I'm enjoying it though.

How awesome would verbal dueling between Ben and Adama be?  Tigh can come along to play the straight man.

[Evil Elvis]

It could still be the case though, if what's happening to her and her buddies is the same thing that happened to Rousseau's shipmates.

That's what I thought at first, but i doubt it now.

From the very beginning of the episode, they were trying to move a giant crate off the plane, which obviously has something important in it.  They're all part of a group that knew they'd end up on the island.  So, they're either part of Widmore's group, or Dharma.  Dharma people are known to use riddles ("what does one snowman say to the other"), so I'm going with them.

I don't think the apparitions of dead people are being created by the smoke monster, though.  You distinctly see the smoke monster go back into the grate before Ben's daughter shows up.  I think whatever's responsible for the whispers is also what's capable of this.  If the smoke monster is Cerebus, then the whispers/ghosts are Anubis?

[Evildrider]

Giant crate holding a Nuke?

[Ookii]

I'd like to know where Faraday has ran off too.  I liked him.