S[s]hoc[/s]k[s]e[/s]y[s]e[/s]'s fake endless search for trainwrecks begins...

[Sky]

You shouldn't care. But you have to, because she has changed pop music. There are at least a dozen new pop chicks out there ripping her style (amy mcdonald, duffy, adele, etc). We watched some of the V fest thing for laughs and it's pretty funny when you're older and out of the trend loop, it's so clear to see every trend. It's too bad, some of them are decent singers though they lack Amy's great band.

[Grand Design]

Milli Vanilli had the same fawning over.

I miss Milli Vanilli.  They were good in spite of Rob and Fab.  I should go shit up schild's 'Tonight, Tonight' joke thread with MV - since they were neither 90's nor a real band.

[Endie]

Edit:  To a US audience those five grammy awards - winning all but one of the big awards - probably count for more.

Not to me.  One album released stateside that everyone goes nuts over?  Milli Vanilli had the same fawning over.  I want track records and creativity before I consider it just another flash in the pan of mainstream trainwreck garbage.

How did I end up defending Ms Winehouse, whose music I don't like and whose lifestyle decisions I see as stupid and selfish?

But that's a dumb post, and I'm sure you don't even mean it.

For one thing it was not the first release (four years of awards suggests enough of a track record for even the most conservative music-buyer).

But it's dumb mainly because your "one album ain't enough, kid: give me a track record and I'll give you consideration" is going to mean that you miss out for years on things like Joy Division' Unknown Pleasures, Hendrix and Are You Experienced, eponymous albums by The Stone Roses (for almost a decade!), The Stooges and the Kinks, The Beatles' Please Please Me, the Sex Pistols' Never Mind the Bollocks Here's The Sex Pistols or The Jesus and Mary Chain's Psychocandy.  Yes, I am tending to favour bands of a certain age, since your stated attitude is, by definition, conservative, but I could easily have mentioned Moon Safari (Air), Franz Ferdinand (Franz Ferdinand), Is This It? (The Strokes), Silent Alarm (Bloc Party) or Funeral (Arcade Fire) or others.

[Grimwell]

/drama much?

Amy Winehouse is a train wreck. She could have been so much more if her management had locked her in a room to clean her up; but so much for that. They have their profit and she's eventually going to OD.

[Selby]

But that's a dumb post, and I'm sure you don't even mean it.

You miss my point.  A good album is a good album regardless of who wrote it or when it was written in an artist's repertoire.  Even if you only get ONE great album and nothing else (Badfinger, Temple of the Dog, etc in addition to the albums you listed), it is more than worth it.  But when the mainstream press and the mallrats are all over your ONE album and declare you the second coming and "best new artist EVAR" is when I get annoyed.  It annoys me in the same way that once an underground band makes a mainstream record in a similar vein (or even signs to a major label) and all of their old-skool hardcore KVLT fans turn their backs on the band.  I'm not slamming first records of bands, I'm slamming the way people fawn and spooge their pants over a band for one album with 3-4 hit singles (like fucking Matchbox20 and that first album that would NOT go away).  Terms like "classic" and "timeless" and whatnot that should not apply to some first album artist.

I don't like Amy Winehouse at all and I don't doubt her influence to change music, but the way the press is ALL over her and her trainwreck life really irks me, not her music.  It's one thing to follow around Britney Spears and her trainwreck life (however lame and worthless it is), but she at least has some songs and history behind her rather than just being put in the spotlight 1-2-3 years ago.

My comment was mostly aimed at winning tons of Grammy awards on your first record, that's nice.  Milli Vanilli did the same, yet people turned on them.  Which is why I prefer to let an album stand on its own for me, rather than how many awards it won, what the press thinks, or what is some hot new flash in the pan (or really uncool).

[apocrypha]

I've heard Billy Bragg talk about the 1st & 2nd album effect, saying that you have your entire life up to that point to create your first album and then usually only a year or two to make the 2nd album, which is why 1st albums are often great and 2nd albums less so.

[Endie]

In that case, Selby, I agree with you.

(So do the KLF).

[Sky]

I've heard Billy Bragg talk about the 1st & 2nd album effect, saying that you have your entire life up to that point to create your first album and then usually only a year or two to make the 2nd album, which is why 1st albums are often great and 2nd albums less so.

I don't know who Billy Bragg is, but that's one of my own quotes :)

Some bands can write, some can't. When my band went into the studio, we had enough material for several albums. Hell, we could've done albums in three genres, maybe four. When my band broke up and I tried putting together another band, I picked up our previous drummer and it shocked me how many people can't write. We'd sit in the room and start laying down the drums and bass, and the guitar players would basically wait for you to tell them what to play, and then play it uncreatively. Must've went through twenty guys, and mostly really good guitarists (technically speaking) before hanging it up. Also why I play guitar and kinda sing now, just too tough to find good frontmen. Also why I'm so fucking hard on myself over in the Guitar Thread, because I expect greatness out of others, I can expect no less from myself.

[K9]

Donatella Versace says hi.

[stray]

I've heard Billy Bragg talk about the 1st & 2nd album effect, saying that you have your entire life up to that point to create your first album and then usually only a year or two to make the 2nd album, which is why 1st albums are often great and 2nd albums less so.

I don't know who Billy Bragg is, but that's one of my own quotes :)

Billy Bragg's the real deal dude. Check him out. He's an old punk, but he does some cool folk stuff these days.

Donatella Versace says hi.

Hah. You win. Or Versace does. Either/or.