Game of Thrones [SPOILERS]

[Samwise]

I remember when I was little I thought most grownup shows were boring because they were "just people talking."

[schild]

Seinfeld didn't exist until we were 10, Samwise. They were mostly boring.

[Threash]

Tyrion/Bronn, Jamie/Brienne, Hound/Arya, yeah by FAR the best parts of the show.  I doubt Pod/Brienne is going to be all that great, but that is only because of the high mark the other buddy comedy pairings have set. What fucking show are you watching?

[Rasix]

They haven't murdered a baby in several episodes.

[schild]

Tyrion/Bronn, Jamie/Brienne, Hound/Arya, yeah by FAR the best parts of the show.  I doubt Pod/Brienne is going to be all that great, but that is only because of the high mark the other buddy comedy pairings have set. What fucking show are you watching?

Tyrion and Bronn aren't a thing in this show. Jamie and Brienne are no longer a thing. Hound and Arya aren't fucking doing anything. Pod and Brienne is going to be terrible until Pod stops being a bitch. Trading places was funny 20 years ago. Huge female knight, tiny bitchy squire, how fantastic.

Season 1 was fantastic. Season 2 was fantastic. Season 3 was straight sleepytime until the end. Season 4 outright blows.

[Cyrrex]

They need to spin-off a show with Arya and The Hound. That stuff is golden. It wouldn't suprise me if it got higher ratings than the actual show.

“The greatest swordsman who ever lived and he didn’t have a sword?”

With hair wetter than Joffrey's cunt

(or something like that)

[Paelos]

Tyrion/Bronn, Jamie/Brienne, Hound/Arya, yeah by FAR the best parts of the show.  I doubt Pod/Brienne is going to be all that great, but that is only because of the high mark the other buddy comedy pairings have set. What fucking show are you watching?

Tyrion and Bronn aren't a thing in this show. Jamie and Brienne are no longer a thing. Hound and Arya aren't fucking doing anything. Pod and Brienne is going to be terrible until Pod stops being a bitch. Trading places was funny 20 years ago. Huge female knight, tiny bitchy squire, how fantastic.

Season 1 was fantastic. Season 2 was fantastic. Season 3 was straight sleepytime until the end. Season 4 outright blows.

It's turning into LOST.

[eldaec]

It really isn't. Their are legitimate problems, and if you don't want to watch a lot of this style of 2 person character scenes you aren't going to like this season or next, but it is nothing like lost.

[schild]

See, I was thinking it was more like the last 30 episodes of Heroes.

Edit: I should make it clear - I have zero issue with the structure. I have a giant issue with no one fucking doing anything.

[Phildo]

Plenty happened in that last episode.  Littlefinger's revelations were pretty important, for instance.

[Threash]

Something significant happens pretty much every episode.

[K9]

I have a giant issue with no one fucking doing anything.

Well, they have to stay faithful to the source material somehow

[Paelos]

My comparison to LOST is because I think they are stalling and the writers have no idea where they are heading. So instead we get fans telling us how nothing happening is just fine BECAUSE CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT FAPFAPFAP. Meanwhile, I just wanted to know what was happening with the monsters.

Except in this case I'm fairly damn sure they don't know because the original author hasn't finished anything.

[Threash]

And even if they do catch up to the books, which they will in a couple seasons because fat fuck ain't writing a god damn thing, they do know what is going to happen so they still wouldn't be making it up.

[eldaec]

As for the episode. They botched the Littlefinger reveal. They passed off resolution of the two most important unknowns in current Westeros politics like it was nothing.

But I do like Littlefinger more now he has a coherent accent. Hound is always great. Pod and Brienne were better than the books.

[Teleku]

I was surprised they did the reveal for the murder this early.  That doesn't come till later books.  But I guess they needed to do more to flesh out the characters this season and show just how dangerous everybody is.

[Paelos]

Have you read the books?  They aren't stalling or making shit up.  They're following the stories perfectly.  This is exactly what happened in the books at this time.  Hell, almost all of book 4 was people wondering around doing random shit that affected fuck all.  Though with the TV writing, I'm sure it will be much more entertaining.    If anything, they are pushing things ahead faster than the books because they are setting up stuff right now that happens in book 4, that didn't have any setup in book 3.

This is nothing like lost where they were very much just making shit up to keep the series running.

It's a TV show, my version of stalling is televising the book filler. There's just more book filler in the later books. Since they are stalling, they don't have to make shit up. Yet.

But Winter is coming...

[Speedy Cerviche]

With hair wetter than Joffrey's cunt

(or something like that)

greasier, he was calling him a dago

[Merusk]

But Winter is coming...

No it's not.

Viewers are now beginning to understand South Park's joke from back in December and it's amusing me.

[jgsugden]

In many ways, the murder was late.  Recall in the books, Jamie does not arrive back in King's Landing until after Joffrey passes.  However, they screw with the timing so much it is hard to really say which elements are early or late without specifying an event of reference, such as saying Jamie's return was earlier than the murder in the show, but later in the books.

Regardless, this season they've augmented the action from the books.  I think it is on par with Seasons I -> III.

[apocrypha]

Edit: I should make it clear - I have zero issue with the structure. I have a giant issue with no one fucking doing anything.

It's entirely possible to make a riveting, tense, exciting 45 minute TV show with nothing but talking happening. See Hannibal.

These last few episodes of GoT have just not been very well done. Important plot development is fine, but when it's done with no... enthusiasm, it's obvious. It feels like it's missing a spark of some kind atm.

[kaid]

Martin doesn't need more time, he needs motivation.  The show catching up to him and spoiling his books might encourage him.

Yup right now I get the impression he is having a blast being the toast of the town and going hither and yon to various shows and conventions and soaking up all the adulation and writing the last few books is coming a very distant low priority at the moment.

[tazelbain]

Wise. It is an impossible task to tie it all together to please the fans.

[Tannhauser]

I don't think he gives a shit about 'pleasing the fans'.  He writes what he wants to write.  If he wanted to please the fans, Robb Stark would be sitting on the Iron Throne using Joffrey's head as a footstool.

[jgsugden]

I'm betting they've already decided that the show will go a different direction than the novels for the end of it.  Martin's 6th book will come out in time for the show to follow it to some extent, but I'm betting they'll go a different direction for the final season - with the help of GRRM. 

[Ceryse]

The general gist of the ending will likely be the same, as the guys doing the show knows who ends up on the throne as Martin has told them that and other things as well that haven't yet happened in the books. Personally, I think diverging from the books could be a very good thing.

[schild]

Edit: I should make it clear - I have zero issue with the structure. I have a giant issue with no one fucking doing anything.

It's entirely possible to make a riveting, tense, exciting 45 minute TV show with nothing but talking happening. See Hannibal.

Yes, obviously that's possible. But I demand more out of my fucking FANTASY TELEVISION.

But then, a lot of the fuckers here like BSG and that was just a piece of sci-fi west-wing-wannabe trash.

These last few episodes of GoT have just not been very well done. Important plot development is fine, but when it's done with no... enthusiasm, it's obvious. It feels like it's missing a spark of some kind atm.

Not very well done? They've been terrible.

[Phildo]

Game of Thrones was never supposed to be straight-up fantasy, though, and you know that.  At least no more than The Tudors was considered fantasy.  Most of the magic in this world happens off-screen or in extremely limited capacities, and the focus is on the political intrigue and sexy goings-on behind the scenes.  The fantasy aspects are mostly there as window dressing.

[schild]

Tell that to the pale worthless bitch raising a few dragons and eunuch warriors running around across the sea never actually making it to Westeros.

[HaemishM]

If you hate this season, you will LOATHE next season.

[Threash]

There is a reason, the reason is it would be fucking stupid to have what is supposed to be the end of the story happen now.  Seriously, we are at helms deep and you are going "why hasn't Frodo destroyed the ring yet".

[schild]

I'm glad you brought up LOTR, I was trying not to.

99% OF IT WAS FUCKING BORING.

If you hate this season, you will LOATHE next season.

This is completely untrue. They're seriously phoning this season in. One pivotal or even mildly interesting moment per hour does not good TV make.

[Threash]

I'm surprised you are that optimistic about next season.

[eldaec]

The episodes since Joffery died have definitely tailed off.

I don't buy in to the idea that nothing is happening, it just seems poorly directed and edited. Significant stuff is getting lost through too many scenes that are too short and deliver plot points that aren't really given context.

The slightly aimless but purely character driven scenes (everything with Brienne, Jamie, Arya, Tywin) are fine, but the actual story scenes (liitlefinger, Margery, Jon, Dany) are being skated through and lack impact.

Still better than most other shit on my sky box.

[Ingmar]

There's a bunch of stuff in Feast could make for episode centerpieces:


And they probably pull stuff in from Dance as well. Should be plenty of material.