Game of Thrones [SPOILERS]

[Ceryse]

I'm almost done with Feast for Crows and it REALLY suffers from "the most interesting stuff happens off screen" -itis. Total mistake to cut that into 2 books. He needed someone to dial his ass back or something because easily half of that book was maneuvering and set up for really tiny happenings. The TV writers would do well to cut the ever living fuck out of this book.

But Martin is counting on those books to pad the show so he has time to finish writing the series!

Honestly, I love the show, even with its issues. The books? Didn't even get part-way through book one before I dropped it because it just wasn't that good (before the show aired). When I tried again after the show aired... it came across even worse.

[Tannhauser]

I read and liked the first two books but after S3 on TV I won't read any more.  Any character I like gets killed.  If GRRM wrote The Hobbit, Bilbo would be murdered by Gollum and Gandalf would be poisoned by Bombur.

[MediumHigh]

Not really if GRRM wrote the book the 13 dwarves would be 4 at the end of the story, mr.oakenshield would be missing a leg, bilbo would be a treacherous bastard and gandalf would have been nuking orcs, elves and hobbits for conspiring against him.

[Setanta]

Not really if GRRM wrote the book the 13 dwarves would be 4 at the end of the story, mr.oakenshield would be missing a leg, bilbo would be a treacherous bastard and gandalf would have been nuking orcs, elves and hobbits for conspiring against him.

While fucking his sister!

[Riggswolfe]

I read and liked the first two books but after S3 on TV I won't read any more.  Any character I like gets killed.  If GRRM wrote The Hobbit, Bilbo would be murdered by Gollum and Gandalf would be poisoned by Bombur.

I wonder how much of this is to serve the plot and how much is GRRM in danger of becoming the M. Night Shalyman of books where he feels like he has to use the same trick over and over because it's what people expect of him.

[Khaldun]

I honestly think that the next season after the upcoming one, presuming they do it, will necessarily have to begin to ignore and rewrite significant chunks of the last two books in the series. And in at least one case, if the next book isn't out by then, they'll have to past the timeframe of the books as they stand.

[Tannhauser]

Personally I'm getting a serious 'Lost' vibe from this show. I bailed on it when the 'Tailies' appeared.

[shiznitz]

Personally I'm getting a serious 'Lost' vibe from this show. I bailed on it when the 'Tailies' appeared.

That is just an exasperating comparison.  I want to spit and hiss.

[Tale]

Personally I'm getting a serious 'Lost' vibe from this show. I bailed on it when the 'Tailies' appeared.

How ridiculous to compare plot developments taken from published books with those of 'Lost', a previously unpublished story that was developed season-by-season for TV.

[Tannhauser]

My point is that there is no ending for GoT yet and soon the TV show will catch up to the books and then what?  Does anyone think GRRM will stay ahead of the show?  I don't.  So there will be lots of filler episodes, probably an entire filler season hoping that GRRM can get his act together to and finish the series.  Or maybe this will be start as a series of novels and end as a TV show.

[Paelos]

My bet is Martin dies and Brandon Sanderson finishes it. 

[Threash]

Nah, Jordan saw the end coming and left very detailed notes on the rest of the story and explicit instructions on what he wanted done (finishing it), Martin is going to die suddenly of a heart attack mid baconator and take it all to the grave with him.

[Johny Cee]

Nah, Jordan saw the end coming and left very detailed notes on the rest of the story and explicit instructions on what he wanted done (finishing it), Martin is going to die suddenly of a heart attack mid baconator and take it all to the grave with him.

Martin had to give the Game of Thrones showrunners a rough outline of how the books end before the series was greenlight, so the outline is out there.  It would just be up to the estate to authorize it.

[Setanta]

My point is that there is no ending for GoT yet and soon the TV show will catch up to the books and then what?  Does anyone think GRRM will stay ahead of the show?  I don't.  So there will be lots of filler episodes, probably an entire filler season hoping that GRRM can get his act together to and finish the series.  Or maybe this will be start as a series of novels and end as a TV show.

He filled the producers in on where the books are going.

[shiznitz]

I trust HBO to end the show well even if GRRM is not around to do it for them.  Personally, I would end it dark and dismal.

[Paelos]

I'm still rooting for the Wildlings.

[Thrawn]

I would be perfectly ok with a series ending that is mostly just the white walkers marching south and killing everyone and everything since most everyone ignored the warnings.  No crappy deus ex mechina ending of some mystical thing stopping them or Daenerys showing up with a flight of dragons or something similar.  Just a season of fighting and losing and running getting more and more hopeless until it ends with Westeros being completely frozen over and dead with no happy ending.

[shiznitz]

I wouldn't complain about a topless Daenerys riding a flying dragon into the sunset either.

[eldaec]

There is no satisfying way to end something like this. Suck it up and manage your expectations.

Even Shakespeare didn't manage it in his Henry VI War of the Roses trilogy, and much as I enjoy these books, they ain't Shakespeare.

[March]

My bet is Martin dies and Brandon Sanderson finishes it. 

My bet is that Martin dies and Varys finishes it.

[Severian]

Sansa is uninteresting in her current state. I'd so laugh if all the misfortunes she endures cause her to toughen up, come out of the left field and in the when the end dust settles be the only one left standing. Sansa the Terrible, sitting on the Iron Throne!  

I'm going through the series again during my commute, listening to Ray Dotrice's excellent audiobooks, and came across this prophesy in A Storm of Swords (all references to events later than the TV series)

[Evil Elvis]

[Threash]

Yes, all of that already happened.

[Severian]

That is a trivial episode to be the subject of a prophesy, completely out of place with what's referenced in the first line.
It seems more likely that it and your event both foreshadow something yet to come.

[Nevermore]

14 minute Season 4 "Foreshadowing".

[Draegan]

I haven't read the series since Dragons came out and I have a hard time keeping the story and the timeline in my head. I read them all originally when the third book came out and then stopped.  I then reread them all again for the last book. So where the story starts and ends is lost to me.

Love the show though.

[eldaec]

That is a trivial episode to be the subject of a prophesy, completely out of place with what's referenced in the first line.
It seems more likely that it and your event both foreshadow something yet to come.

I tend to agree, the real question is who is the giant and which castle are we talking about.

Robert Strong is only current giant character, but you have to imagine he will die at someone else's hand.

[Threash]

There is already a prophecy for that too. 

[Severian]

There is already a prophecy for that too. 

Absolutely fits, but not fighting.

[Merusk]

[Rendakor]

[calapine]

There is already a prophecy for that too.  

Absolutely fits, but not fighting.

Meh. This is getting mean.  

Can someone read the spoilers and tell me what I am missing? In a non-spoilery way, of course.

[Tebonas]

Only some speculation about Prophecies you probably haven't heard about and who those prophecies might apply to. Only real spoiler being some names of people who are still alive in later books.

[calapine]

Only some speculation about Prophecies you probably haven't heard about and who those prophecies might apply to. Only real spoiler being some names of people who are still alive in later books.

I think that counts as spoiler. 


(Seriously: Dankeschön!)

[eldaec]

There is already a prophecy for that too.  

Absolutely fits, but not fighting.