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Reply #5425 on: August 14, 2017, 03:44:24 PM

I want to know how they're going to capture a white walker and bring it to King's Landing.  The scene of them venturing out beyond the wall needed one of them to be carrying a giant butterfly net.

They are not after a white walker, just a zombie.

Didn't someone try a zombie back when Tyrion was hand?  I vaguely recall it disintegrated.

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Reply #5426 on: August 14, 2017, 03:51:16 PM

I want to know how they're going to capture a white walker and bring it to King's Landing.  The scene of them venturing out beyond the wall needed one of them to be carrying a giant butterfly net.

Dumbest plot point in history that has led to the most awesomeness team in TV history.

The hound, fire sword dude (convinced he will win me the fantasy league), lil' bitch Jon Snow who finally dropped a sack and I root for his death despite everyone cheering for him, and Gentry.

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Reply #5427 on: August 14, 2017, 04:15:53 PM

How did you not mention Tormund?

The only character in the show who realises he's living through Tits 'n' Dragons.

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Reply #5428 on: August 14, 2017, 04:24:22 PM

AND how awesome Brienne is.

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Reply #5429 on: August 14, 2017, 04:33:12 PM

How did you not mention Tormund?

The only character in the show who realises he's living through Tits 'n' Dragons.

Doh, good point.  And Brienne sucks, another I hope dies.

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Reply #5430 on: August 14, 2017, 04:51:07 PM

The fact that Bronn and JAmie swam underwater in armor for however fucking long AND no one looked for them was the FUCKING dumbest plot point

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Reply #5431 on: August 14, 2017, 10:01:09 PM

Where is Ghost the direwolf? First, Jon went south without Ghost (would have been cool to see a direwolf meet a dragon), and now he's going north beyond the Wall without Ghost, who has been his best companion there.

I am now convinced Jaime exists to kill pregnant Cersei. Tyrion and the delivery of a sample wight will persuade him that the northern battle is the only battle, and to refocus the world he will have to kill his sister as she threatens humanity.
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Reply #5432 on: August 14, 2017, 11:05:00 PM

Ghost was with Jon last year. They just stopped mentioning him for no reason.

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Reply #5433 on: August 14, 2017, 11:42:20 PM

I want to know how they're going to capture a white walker and bring it to King's Landing.  The scene of them venturing out beyond the wall needed one of them to be carrying a giant butterfly net.

They are not after a white walker, just a zombie.

Didn't someone try a zombie back when Tyrion was hand?  I vaguely recall it disintegrated.

It was like thumb or some body part, no?  I guess they are going to bring a live one back this time?  I guess we'll see how it all plays out.  I am looking forward to an episode in the near future of hijinks beyond the wall, with the Hound throwing around the word "cunt" every other sentence.

There are some problems, but this is still great TV.  My current gripe is probably all the insta-travel.  It's like The North is just the next town over.

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Reply #5434 on: August 15, 2017, 12:15:37 AM

I'm fairly confident they aren't actually going to do that.

I cannot imagine the scene where Cersei, Dany, and Jon sit about poking a white walker. Not even from the writers who brought us 'Carry On Up the Sunspear'.

For a start it is well established that the wall is not just a physical barrier. I don't know why the brains trust suddenly forgot that.

But doubt that will even be tested. Really it is all just the Dondarrion protocol "we're going north because the plot says so".

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Reply #5435 on: August 15, 2017, 02:44:22 AM

Lightsabers make everything better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVTtNOepijk

Only part of this season that has made me laugh out loud was the look on Pod's face when Arya was beating Brienne. It was perfectly between "That's right, someone is kicking YOUR ass" and "My sensei is getting destroyed by a twelve year old".
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Reply #5436 on: August 15, 2017, 04:39:53 AM

Sansa very briefly said something about Ghost in this episode, basically a reference to him having been left behind again.

Really, the catch-a-zombie-to-convince-Cersei is just the dumbest fucking thing ever in this show. Completely jolted me out of the action. I don't mind getting that particular group north of the Wall on a desperate mission, but really?
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Reply #5437 on: August 15, 2017, 04:50:38 AM

Sansa very briefly said something about Ghost in this episode, basically a reference to him having been left behind again.

Really, the catch-a-zombie-to-convince-Cersei is just the dumbest fucking thing ever in this show. Completely jolted me out of the action. I don't mind getting that particular group north of the Wall on a desperate mission, but really?


Someone elsewhere said that this might be one of the (3) plot points GRRM had ready for the story and that's why it seems a bit ham-fisted since they are trying to make up all the reasons for the trip without all the build-up you might get in the books.

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edit: another thing that bothers me with the passage of time in the show; where are the unsullied for example (Jon has had time to sail to Dragonstone and then to the wall so you'd think they had gotten somewhere even if they were walking...)
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Reply #5438 on: August 15, 2017, 04:53:54 AM

I suspect he's there because they're going to need someone to forge a lot of anti-zombie weapons.
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Reply #5439 on: August 15, 2017, 05:59:25 AM

As for getting over the wall, the books mention
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Reply #5440 on: August 15, 2017, 07:36:27 AM

I might be completely wrong - but my assumption is they are going north to do whatever Jon is about to go north to do as Ghost in the books.

Most obviously they need to find out how the zombies get past the wall and what the overall win condition is for each  team. Even if Sam is in charge of figuring out what to do, there is probably a macguffin or three that needs fetching and a prophecy to fulfill.

I don't imagine books or show finishing with a simple battle.

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Reply #5441 on: August 15, 2017, 08:45:34 AM

I've always assumed that the plan in the books is:

a) have the Wall come down. Night's Watch all die, more or less.
b) have a group of characters more or less trapped in Winterfell in the books as zombies approach. (GRRM takes winter more seriously than the show does--it's an actual impediment to troops and individuals travelling).
c) have a small group of Winterfell characters escape southward while everyone else dies. Probably the re-united Starks and a few others.
d) have the winter spread across Westeros, bringing the Cersei-Dany war to a standstill. (I do assume that in the books, GRRM had the plan to do the Cersei-blows-up-the-Sept thing, it has his fingerprints all over it.)
e) have folks assemble for a last stand thing. Maybe this is the point where the Magnificent Seven go on a desperate mission northward because Bran tells them about a MacGuffin they need.
f) meanwhile dragons flame zombies but there's too many zombies to stop
g) bad shit happens
h) bad shit concludes
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Reply #5442 on: August 15, 2017, 12:31:13 PM

I wonder if the travel issues are a part of why GRRM is struggling to write.

Book North is *really* hard to move around. Ports have been closed, armies cannot move without massive losses.

Its hard to see how GRRM could finish it with a battle because noone can march north.

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Reply #5443 on: August 15, 2017, 12:58:28 PM

What's interesting is Eastwatch is on the opposite side of continent from Winterfell.  So an army that just wanted to go South would bypass it.  Winterfell doesn't even block the Kingsroad, it being West of it.
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Reply #5444 on: August 15, 2017, 12:59:34 PM

Ghost was with Jon last year. They just stopped mentioning him for no reason.

The reason is CGI budget.
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Reply #5445 on: August 15, 2017, 05:31:10 PM

Eastwatch is mostly about the part of the Night's Watch that deals with Wildlings--the cannibal assholes live on the island off to the northeast of Eastwatch. Plus it's also the secret center of smuggling shit north of the Wall in years when there aren't zombies on the march.
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Reply #5446 on: August 16, 2017, 07:33:16 AM

i always knew the tv writers were stupid, didn't know how stupid. awesome, for real
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Reply #5447 on: August 16, 2017, 10:54:31 AM

Next episode has leaked. Not hackers, just incompetence. Beware spoilers.

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Reply #5448 on: August 16, 2017, 06:47:03 PM

It was like thumb or some body part, no?  I guess they are going to bring a live one back this time?  I guess we'll see how it all plays out.  I am looking forward to an episode in the near future of hijinks beyond the wall, with the Hound throwing around the word "cunt" every other sentence.
Cersei already has at least one undead minion.

I kind of wonder how that's going to color her view. I suspect she'll continue to think dragons are a hell of a lot more problematic.
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Reply #5449 on: August 16, 2017, 07:43:19 PM

I think she thinks anything that is not "Cersei Lannister is in charge forever" is problematic. Anything that is "Yes she is" is absolutely fine. She's also made it clear in the last episode: she'd rather everything burned and everyone died if there was any chance of Cersei not being in charge.
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Reply #5450 on: August 16, 2017, 09:33:38 PM

Hey that sounds like some conservatives I know ...

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Reply #5451 on: August 17, 2017, 08:31:23 AM

It was like thumb or some body part, no?  I guess they are going to bring a live one back this time?  I guess we'll see how it all plays out.  I am looking forward to an episode in the near future of hijinks beyond the wall, with the Hound throwing around the word "cunt" every other sentence.
Cersei already has at least one undead minion.

I kind of wonder how that's going to color her view. I suspect she'll continue to think dragons are a hell of a lot more problematic.

I doubt she is aware enough of what the hell was done to Gregor. In the book it is obvious because the dude had no head, but he was alive in the show and as far as she knows Qyburn just made him "better".

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Reply #5452 on: August 17, 2017, 08:59:00 AM

I made the mistake of watching the leaked episode early and I really want to talk about it.
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Reply #5453 on: August 17, 2017, 09:08:07 AM

That will teach you not to peek at the presents early!
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Reply #5454 on: August 17, 2017, 10:33:45 AM

Yeah, people been telling me its good.

I still am holding out hope that Cersei uses the gold to buy the golden company instead of paying the Iron Bank, and they proceed to walk in and collect the Iron Banks debt for them by burning kings landing and Cersei to the ground.  But this show doesn't seem to give me what I want lately.   awesome, for real

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Reply #5455 on: August 17, 2017, 10:53:16 AM

Yeah, people been telling me its good.

I still am holding out hope that Cersei uses the gold to buy the golden company instead of paying the Iron Bank, and they proceed to walk in and collect the Iron Banks debt for them by burning kings landing and Cersei to the ground.  But this show doesn't seem to give me what I want lately.   awesome, for real

It was heavily implied during the scene with Cersei and Mycroft Holmes, that the Bank will open new lines of credit to hire mercenaries now that they are happier about Cersei's ability to pay them back.

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Reply #5456 on: August 18, 2017, 09:07:28 PM

Yes, but that was with the caviat of "once we get the gold."  I'm imaging a scenario where she doesn't give the gold now that she lost her army, but the Iron Bank leads her to believe they will continue to support her anyways because she's the best bet.  Leading to Golden Company betrayal.

Who knows what they'll do at this point, but I can dream!    awesome, for real

Also, just watched episode 6 (which fricken HBO accidentally leaked, not hackers this time).  A lot of fun mixed with a lot of stupidity.  Let's just say they have given up an pretense of physics/travel time/realism in order to just make things happen.  TV level written is in full control now.

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Reply #5457 on: August 18, 2017, 09:11:39 PM

Just remember the jumping around like a monkey on coke is because fucking GRRM wouldn't finish the fucking books.
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Reply #5458 on: August 19, 2017, 02:52:24 AM

Yes, but like, they do something this episode that takes it to the most comic extreme possible.  It's hilarious.

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Reply #5459 on: August 19, 2017, 06:29:56 AM

I kind of like that if the books ever come - I know they can't possibly be this silly.

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