WotLK

[Draegan]

DK experience is really fantastic.  The overall feel of the class and it's power level make the game extremely entertaining.

[Fabricated]

Sunwell/T6 will work for Naxx but the ilevel 187-200 (200 is from heroics) blues are a fair amount better. Also, actual raid-quality epics from heroics!

[K9]

Did the first couple of instances tonight; understandably they are a stroll. Utgarde Keep was pretty dull, the Nexus was a lot more fun though, I look forward to trying it out on heroic.

[Fordel]

Honestly, I would recommend *everyone* get WotLK JUST for the DK starting area. Even if you hate WoW with the fire of a thousands suns, you'll enjoy the DK starting area.


Like, ever wonder how you could do a 'story based' MMORPG, the DK area is a preview.

[WindupAtheist]

I agree. Level 55 - 58 with my death knight was worth the money by itself.

[Tarami]

Lucky me I got a 65 priest then.

[Azazel]

My wife got my copy at Bbuy during the day and I installed when I got home last night.  Big install, but everything was smooth.  I'm surprised the lag wasn't worse than it was.  Even the mob spawning was keeping up with demand.

The big issue now?  THE DREADED QUEUE!  I got on early so I missed it, but I heard reports from guildmates of over 1000 at peak.

Over 1300 for me right now. Yay! Everything old is new again!

[WindupAtheist]

I was skeptical, but I think this 'phasing' shit just might be brilliant when applied correctly in the right places. Doing quests and actually seeing the world change as a result of those quests was awesome. What's more, I've never heard of another game doing anything like this before. Blizzard may have done the unthinkable here and actually innovated a bit for once.

Their next MMO needs to be built with stuff like this in place from level one onwards.

EDIT: Seriously, I almost want to delete my DK just so I can make another and do that "flying on an undead dragon and fucking up a whole city while dodging projectiles twitch-style" quest again.

[Paelos]

1800+ queues on proudmoore.

[SurfD]

Sunwell/T6 will work for Naxx but the ilevel 187-200 (200 is from heroics) blues are a fair amount better. Also, actual raid-quality epics from heroics!

I dont think you would want to be trying naxx in sunwell / T6 gear.  While it IS very decently itemized, the sheer difference in stuff like Stamina on a similar slot dungeon blue from level 78-80 dungeons is HUGE.   I mean, a full sunwell geared warrior would probably have 8k or more LESS HP then a full Blue dungeon geared war.  And the guy in blues would likely have better mitigation stats as well.

Hell, i have seen blues drop out of level 72-74 instances that have more stam on them unenchanted / gemmed then my fully enchanted / gemmed T5 gear does, while still packing a decent amount of other stats as well.

[Calantus]

Honestly, I would recommend *everyone* get WotLK JUST for the DK starting area. Even if you hate WoW with the fire of a thousands suns, you'll enjoy the DK starting area.


Like, ever wonder how you could do a 'story based' MMORPG, the DK area is a preview.

*dramatic moment*
LOL
wtf?
*exposition*
lol
whats going on?
this is crazy
lol
*more story*
what do we do now?
wait its over?
*story*
YAY!
lol
this is stupid
wheres my hearthstone


MMO and story do not go well together. Seriously I had to expand my chat box and scroll up all the time to read what was going on. It was fun, it was just not some amazingly immersive experience.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Honestly, I would recommend *everyone* get WotLK JUST for the DK starting area. Even if you hate WoW with the fire of a thousands suns, you'll enjoy the DK starting area.


Like, ever wonder how you could do a 'story based' MMORPG, the DK area is a preview.

*dramatic moment*
LOL
wtf?
*exposition*
lol
whats going on?
this is crazy
lol
*more story*
what do we do now?
wait its over?
*story*
YAY!
lol
this is stupid
wheres my hearthstone


MMO and story do not go well together. Seriously I had to expand my chat box and scroll up all the time to read what was going on. It was fun, it was just not some amazingly immersive experience.

you know...you can filter our general chat or create new tabs/windows for different types of chat....

I'm just saying...

[Typhon]

I was giving the same advice to friends who've sworn they'll never return to WoW - the DK experience is worth the price of admition.

That said, clearly you can't please everyone. 

[Calantus]

you know...you can filter our general chat or create new tabs/windows for different types of chat....

I'm just saying...

Well my point was that the MMO experience and stories don't go well together because people are idiots. You can turn all their words off but then it's not really an MMO experience. I'm not saying it wasn't fun, just that the MMO part of it added nothing to the event beyond stupidity. Players can construct their own narrative and that's what makes MMOs fun, but they just get in the way of developer narratives.

[WindupAtheist]

For just once it was nice to destroy a village, come back, and find it fucking destroyed with your own side having advanced and taken up position within it. Instead of, you know, the usual "I guess we can call this destroyed if a few red sparkles count as the building being ablaze and we leave within the next 15 seconds before it all goes back to normal, oh crap respawns." Some tard is always going to /tickle the Lich King as he gives his evil speech, but that's no reason they shouldn't at least make an effort to give us a story and the illusion of a dynamic world like a real RPG instead of the usual MMO retardation.

I've always said I don't want a virtual world, I want a game that makes an honest effort to fool me into thinking it's a world, and this was a fine example of that. You wouldn't want to phase the whole game like this, lest it get too confusing with everyone constantly seeing different things or not seeing each other at all, but for specific, signifigant, tightly-plotted quest lines it adds a lot to the suspension of disbelief by temporarily doing away with some of the dumber "Didn't we sink that enemy fleet half an hour ago?" MMO tropes.

Seriously, I'm imagining a Starcraft FPS/RPG MMO built from the ground up with stuff like this, and it's giving be a boner. And I'm not even a Starcraft fan.

[Gorky]

Just a quick update regarding the online account upgrade;

In your account management page, there is an option to upgrade your account to WotLK (get a new key), unfortunately there appears to be 2 problems, namely...

1. If your IP is outside the NA region, you get a 202 error with instructions to call customer support. (This apparently includes US military personal in IRAQ and Japan)

2. Even if you have an NA IP, many many people are getting charged every time they resubmit but without their accounts getting WotLK enabled.

While some leeway can be given due to the sheer volume of the customers, what is really galling is that there has not been a single Blizzard response to the dozens upon dozens of wailing posts regarding this.

Note: The Blizzard store has also started selling boxes and online upgrades as of a short while ago. But people are reporting the same problems.

[tkinnun0]

Not as good as Tortage.

[Paelos]

The queues are getting totally ridiculous. If you're not on by 5 server, you're going to have a 400+ queue, and it gets up to 1800+ by 9 server.

[Azaroth]

That's because the poopsockers never log out.

People are starting to hit world first level 80 achievements on my realm today, there's been a few so far.

[Fordel]

That's because the poopsockers never log out.

People are starting to hit world first level 80 achievements on my realm today, there's been a few so far.

We had 80's dinging late last night on Doomhammer. I love that it announces to the world "Catass Gnome Mage, has no life!"

[Azaroth]

I couldn't figure out how they were doing it.

I mean, I've put in quite a bit of time and I'm less than half way through 72. For my standards, what I've been doing is total catassing. I'm using a level guide, too.

What's actually happening is a trick that somehow combines joining and dropping a group inside an instance along with mob tagging that gets all of the XP to one person. The game's first 80 was already banned for it.

Makes you feel pretty stupid for grinding the normal way, doesn't it?

[Calantus]

That method gets you there in under 30 hours though. The first 80 on my server got it legit, and my brother is 78 as we speak from just questing and he didn't even do beta to know where to go. He just isn't sleeping much and hasn't left the house since release. He's not a shut-in normally, he's a school leaver and is going on to further education next year so he has no obligations at the moment and so he just didn't go out like he normally does. A friend took a week off work and was a 72 Death Knight last time I saw him. I'm not doing it hard this time around though since I'm not going to raid and so there's no need to cap out fast.

[Azaroth]

Fair enough. I suppose it's just difficult for me to grasp because I only see so much being done in a day.

I mean, I've been playing a lot by my standards - but I'm in no way the type of person who can sit there and grind for 12 hours.

[Lantyssa]

I was skeptical, but I think this 'phasing' shit just might be brilliant when applied correctly in the right places. Doing quests and actually seeing the world change as a result of those quests was awesome. What's more, I've never heard of another game doing anything like this before. Blizzard may have done the unthinkable here and actually innovated a bit for once.

Guild Wars says hi.

[Slyfeind]

I am not Slyfeind.

[Ratman_tf]

I was skeptical, but I think this 'phasing' shit just might be brilliant when applied correctly in the right places. Doing quests and actually seeing the world change as a result of those quests was awesome. What's more, I've never heard of another game doing anything like this before. Blizzard may have done the unthinkable here and actually innovated a bit for once.

Guild Wars says hi.

Does it? I thought Guild Wars was made up of all instanced zones, and not a persistant world.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Wow


do all the quests in dragonblight until you get to the wrathgate, just do it.

Wow.

[K9]

The merged Nihilum/SK-Gaming guild cleared 10 and 25 man Naxx today apparently, as well as downing Malygos and Sartharion.

This means that all WoTLK raid content has been cleared within 4 days of launching. ha!

[Draegan]

Arthas isn't dead yet!

BAH FUCKING QUEUES DIAF!

I didn't get to play yesterday since Happy Hour turned into getting home at 10:30.  The queues were 2 hours long so I went to bed.  I spent all day grinding Stratholme with my good buddy to get him to 60, now 58 however, so he can level with my DK.

[Lakov_Sanite]

The merged Nihilum/SK-Gaming guild cleared 10 and 25 man Naxx today apparently, as well as downing Malygos and Sartharion.

This means that all WoTLK raid content has been cleared within 4 days of launching. ha!

They are a sponsered guild, their JOB is playing wow.

I could not care less if they beat content in 2minutes because it doesn't mean jack to your average player or even your average raider.

[Fordel]

The Ultra PoopSockers ran out of shit to do? 


Who cares?

[Azaroth]

See, those aren't even the type of people that fuel poopsocking jokes, though. Those people are in fucking diapers.

Who has time to aim? 

[Geki]

I was skeptical, but I think this 'phasing' shit just might be brilliant when applied correctly in the right places. Doing quests and actually seeing the world change as a result of those quests was awesome. What's more, I've never heard of another game doing anything like this before. Blizzard may have done the unthinkable here and actually innovated a bit for once.

Guild Wars, just saying.. they didn't really come up with it on their own.   Also Lotro does this as well.

[Calantus]

One thing: The tadpole quest is aids. AIDS.

[apocrypha]

This is all just all sorts of awesome for me. I can play so infrequently that I've got *months* of new content ahead of me. Most of my 70's are in BC quest greens and rep blues so the gear upgrades are gonna be fast and furious for me. My server has no queues at all that I've seen so far. I'm loving the DK quests and am starting to get my head around how to play them.

All the catassing stuff going on, with all content cleared in 4 days, level 80s everwhere etc just highlights to me how it's such a poor way to play the game. I mean those poopsockers have rushed to the grindy endgame in 4 days? FOUR days? Well done guys! You congratulate yourselves and start sitting around wondering wtf to do for the next six months while the rest of us, y'know, have fun