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Topic: Random nerd thread unrelated to orig. topic. Current: Tanks vs Mechs! (Read 260085 times)
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Slyfeind
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OMG GARRIOTT INVENTED VIDEO GAMES AND I HAVE PROOFS!
Whatever his background, I will absolutely concede that he's lost it now and needs to either work under someone and learn the business of games all over again, or just do something else with his life for a while. Or play WoW for the rest of his life! In SPACE!
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WindupAtheist
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Wow this thread reeks of nerd. Let me ask a question... Which is the better captain, Captain Kirk or Captain Picard?
Han Solo. Since Riker said in that one episode that lasers can't penetrate their shields, that means a federation shuttlecraft could take a direct hit from the Deathstar since it fires a laser. The fact that you're even aware of this argument makes you my brother-in-nerdistry. |
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Venkman
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Yea, because a captain of a light freighter is the same thing as captain of a battleship.  Best captain: Riker of the Titan. Anyone who says otherwise obviously hasn't read the series. End of motherfucking story. Back to the nerd fight, it seems painfully obvious that it was Ultima first. One either agrees or doesn't care. "Remembering it different" doesn't count. Of course, 25+ years later, it really doesn't matter either. Any more than who was the best fake captain of a fake ship on a fake TV show about a fake IP anyway... |
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« Last Edit: November 16, 2008, 07:36:44 AM by Darniaq »
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Ratman_tf
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Since Riker said in that one episode that lasers can't penetrate their shields, that means a federation shuttlecraft could take a direct hit from the Deathstar since it fires a laser.
Lasers in Star Wars (not just Blasters) have recoil and shell casings. Take that physics!  Therefore lasers in Star Wars are not the same lasers from Star Trek. And the Borg (for example) are immune to phasers but are never, NEVER immune to physical attack. Like tommy gun bullets or klingon knives and swords. How come they can adapt to a big ass beam of energy but a slug of lead from a primitive firearm is a surefire way to put them down cold? Answer in all these nerdy cases: Writer fiat. |
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Signe
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There is an article with another rumour about NCsoft dropping Tabula Rasa floating around but I forget where I saw it. I'm prepared to believe this one!
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Lantyssa
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Lasers in Star Wars (not just Blasters) have recoil and shell casings. Take that physics! The shells contain capacitors which power the laser. By pre-charging and using 'ammunition', bulky power supplies which would make the weapon unwieldy aren't necessary. The recoil is from the mechanism which ejects the capacitor-shell, not the laser itself. Physics is saved! |
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WindupAtheist
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Except even then your "lasers" are distinct visible bolts that travel vastly slower than the speed of light. I think there's some EU crap that attempts to explain that, but then there's also EU stuff explicitly stating the "gigatons of recoil" produced by the heavy guns on a Star Destroyer, so whatever.
Man, this thread has completely turned into Star Wars. I want you pricks to remember, it was Triforcer that started it! Not me! I always get blamed for shit like this!
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tmp
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Think this is what Spengler meant when he said not to cross the streams.
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Slyfeind
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Man, this thread has completely turned into Star Wars. I want you pricks to remember, it was Triforcer that started it! Not me! I always get blamed for shit like this!
It's still on topic. Ultima had lasers and blasters! |
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Trippy
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Man, this thread has completely turned into Star Wars. I want you pricks to remember, it was Triforcer that started it! Not me! I always get blamed for shit like this!
It's still on topic. Ultima had lasers and blasters! And a "first person" dungeon mode  |
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Venkman
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The first one did? I'm trying to remember when I first saw the first person one and keep thinking 3.
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Slyfeind
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The first one did? I'm trying to remember when I first saw the first person one and keep thinking 3.
Yah, they all did, even as far back as Akalabeth. |
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UnSub
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The first one did? I'm trying to remember when I first saw the first person one and keep thinking 3.
Yep. I played Ultima to death back on my x286. It looked like this (couldn't find an exact Ultima dungeon screenshot in a quick google):  Lest we forget, Ultima had lasers, space combat and time travel along with swords and magic. And a way to not be able to finish the game if you got to level 9 before you completed the space combat objective ("A princess will help a lvl 8 space ace travel through time", or some such, where an 'Ace' had to kill 20 enemy space ships). |
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Ratman_tf
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Except even then your "lasers" are distinct visible bolts that travel vastly slower than the speed of light. I think there's some EU crap that attempts to explain that, but then there's also EU stuff explicitly stating the "gigatons of recoil" produced by the heavy guns on a Star Destroyer, so whatever.
Man, this thread has completely turned into Star Wars. I want you pricks to remember, it was Triforcer that started it! Not me! I always get blamed for shit like this!
 It's become more entertaining that talking about crazy moon man. |
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Venkman
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Scale is totally off.
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stu
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Wow this thread reeks of nerd. Let me ask a question... Which is the better captain, Captain Kirk or Captain Picard?
Han Solo. Wasn't Solo a general by the end of the RotJ? Should he still be referred to as Captain Solo? |
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Merusk
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Wow this thread reeks of nerd. Let me ask a question... Which is the better captain, Captain Kirk or Captain Picard?
Han Solo. Wasn't Solo a general by the end of the RotJ? Should he still be referred to as Captain Solo? Anyone in command of a ship is referred to as "Captain" |
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Triforcer
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Wow this thread reeks of nerd. Let me ask a question... Which is the better captain, Captain Kirk or Captain Picard?
Han Solo. Wasn't Solo a general by the end of the RotJ? Should he still be referred to as Captain Solo? Anyone in command of a ship is referred to as "Captain" Is every X-Wing pilot a captain then? X-Wings are capable of independent hyperspace (unlike TIEs). At the Death Star Attack, I don't remember everyone calling everyone else Captain. |
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Ratman_tf
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Is every X-Wing pilot a captain then? X-Wings are capable of independent hyperspace (unlike TIEs). At the Death Star Attack, I don't remember everyone calling everyone else Captain.
X-Wings are snub fighters. Their real world analogy is a fighter plane. Whereas the Falcon is big enough to be a ship. Actually the Falcon is right on the edge of fighter and starship, being a very light freighter. Solo squeaks by. Like Mal from Firefly. |
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IainC
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Anyone in command of a ship is referred to as "Captain"
Is every X-Wing pilot a captain then? X-Wings are capable of independent hyperspace (unlike TIEs). At the Death Star Attack, I don't remember everyone calling everyone else Captain. An X-Wing would be a boat not a ship, hence it's not a consideration. Assuming the MF carried some kind of other vessels (life pods for example) it would qualify as a ship and thus Solo would be referred to as 'Captain Solo'. If Star Wars followed Earth traditions. Which it doesn't have to. God damn, I feel my virginity growing back from getting into this debate. |
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Ard
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Scale is totally off.
Everything looks bigger in porn. |
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Sir T
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Call him Master Solo
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UnSub
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There is an article with another rumour about NCsoft dropping Tabula Rasa floating around but I forget where I saw it. I'm prepared to believe this one!
Just to go back to the point of this article, it was nice that they let him leave the building before they put a bullet into this title. |
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Trippy
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They didn't wait long, though |
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TheCastle
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How do you know he wasn't the one who fired the gun?
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Venkman
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How do you know he wasn't the one who fired the gun?
Pride. Nobody who's been around that long ever says "yep, I peaked early in life, lightning doesn't strike twice, and I screwed the pooch on this latest title. Sorry all, I'm killing my game". |
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TheCastle
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How do you know he wasn't the one who fired the gun?
Pride. Nobody who's been around that long ever says "yep, I peaked early in life, lightning doesn't strike twice, and I screwed the pooch on this latest title. Sorry all, I'm killing my game". Pride can also cause you to detest working on a project where people do not accurately follow your vision or forced you to make changes you did not agree on as well. I speculate... I know not how that project actually went. - Removed Comment - |
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« Last Edit: November 24, 2008, 10:19:27 AM by TheCastle »
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Lantyssa
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I am sure they let Garriot do his farewell speech before pulling the trigger for some misguided sense of loyalty so in some twisted fashion it can be claimed the game folded after he left.
If it was Garriot who did the pulling, and I don't think it was, then it was a cowardly thing to jump ship then announce the closing a few weeks later. Of course this way I wonder if he got a nice farewell present while everyone else gets the boot and a lump of coal for Christmas.
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Lum
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Except even then your "lasers" are distinct visible bolts that travel vastly slower than the speed of light. I think there's some EU crap that attempts to explain that, but then there's also EU stuff explicitly stating the "gigatons of recoil" produced by the heavy guns on a Star Destroyer, so whatever.
Hollywood answer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNxhrPaaCA4Geek answer: Star Trek TNG is around TL 20, while Star Wars is around TL 15 - the TL differential is obvious in terms of things like transporter technology, shields, and more efficient warp drives. However, the Empire is far more of a militarized society, with the equivalent of Dyson sphere stations ("Death Star") and consequent multiplicity of weapons hard points. It could be assumed that a ISD-class ship vs a Galaxy-class Federation vessel would attempt a first strike using swarms of expendable TIE fighters and bombers, trying to overwhelm the Galaxy-class ship's shields and point defense systems, which would go a long way to mitigating the Federation ship's technological advantages. God, I can feel my virginity returning while typing the above paragraph. |
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« Last Edit: November 24, 2008, 11:38:35 AM by Lum »
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Venkman
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I had a really geeky response, but it even embarassed me Going all OGRE on each other, the starship loses, even if it's just a Galaxy-class pounding an ISD. But once you compare the numbers advantage of one against transporters and far superior targeting computers of the other, I think it's a clear Star Trek win. Assuming the writers would let you loose of course. It took them two and a half series before they deployed the freakin' transporter bomb... ! |
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Lum
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A similar battle in terms of scale was the USS Valiant's attack on a Jem'Hadar battleship several order of magnitudes its size, although somewhat lagging technologically. It ended thusly:  Admittedly, the crew was all on drugs at the time. (I freakin' *love* DS9.) |
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Riggswolfe
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Star Wars wins. Period. http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/This is a site by some engineer nerd who did things like take dialogue from each of them and do screen measurements to figure out things like how fast are the fragments of Alderaan moving? How much energy would it take to make a planet explode like that? He compares Fett's seismec charges to the Enterprises photon torpedoes based on Riker's line about needing all of their torpedoes to destroy one hollow asteroid vs fett destroying multiple asteroids with one seismic charge. Etc etc. The guy is an obsessed nerd. And it's handy to pull his page out for these discussions. |
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Then an Erebus-class Titan hotdrops the lot of them and doomsdays. (Then a Plate-class GSV appears, effectors the fuck out of all remaining computer systems and tells everyone to stop being silly. ) And Sisko was the best captain anyway. |
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Venkman
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(I freakin' *love* DS9.)
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