SWTOR

[Numtini]

I've always felt that Return was the result of a twisted marriage between marketing and Lucas believing his own Joe Campbell mystical bullshit. It was a terrible movie. The first two were really quite good.

[NiX]

I won't buy this game until I can be a Wookie Stormtrooper with hair fluffing out of each crevice.

[Surlyboi]

Heh, you said, "Hairy crevice."

Yes, I'm 12.

[Fordel]

My six year old nephew doesn't like *any* of the live action Starwars movies, there ALL boring to him. He literally WONT watch them, he'll get bored and just wander off to play with his Legos instead.

StarWars to him is the CGI Cartoon show and all his Starwars Legos. The original movies don't even any sense to his little child brain. 'Why are the soldiers bad guys? What happend to Rex?' (one of the clone commanders on the CGI show)

[Shatter]

My six year old nephew doesn't like *any* of the live action Starwars movies, there ALL boring to him. He literally WONT watch them, he'll get bored and just wander off to play with his Legos instead.

StarWars to him is the CGI Cartoon show and all his Starwars Legos. The original movies don't even any sense to his little child brain. 'Why are the soldiers bad guys? What happend to Rex?' (one of the clone commanders on the CGI show)

I cry inside for our future generation

[Nebu]

My six year old nephew doesn't like *any* of the live action Starwars movies, there ALL boring to him. He literally WONT watch them, he'll get bored and just wander off to play with his Legos instead.

I blame the prequels.  They're complete shit with the exception being Natalie Portman. 

[Shatter]

My six year old nephew doesn't like *any* of the live action Starwars movies, there ALL boring to him. He literally WONT watch them, he'll get bored and just wander off to play with his Legos instead.

I blame the prequels.  They're complete shit with the exception being Natalie Portman. 

The prequels can DIAF, the originals should be taught in schools...not the new blue-ray garbage they just released though...NNNOOOOOOOOO!!!!

[Sky]

I blame the prequels.  They're complete shit with the exception being Natalie Portman. 

No, she was a central figure in the dreck. The stilted, wooden 'romance' scenes stand out as my fiancee's summary of the prequels.

Mine is the factory chase scene (with flying R2!) that was put in because the movie was too 'dialogue heavy' at that point. Though in retrospect, given the dialogue, I guess I understand.

[01101010]

I blame the prequels.  They're complete shit with the exception being Natalie Portman. 

No, she was a central figure in the dreck. The stilted, wooden 'romance' scenes stand out as my fiancee's summary of the prequels.

Mine is the factory chase scene (with flying R2!) that was put in because the movie was too 'dialogue heavy' at that point. Though in retrospect, given the dialogue, I guess I understand.

God damn it, she was acting! That is how they do romance on Naboo! Those people are just north of Vulcans in the emotion category. Right? 

[Fordel]

There will be racials, but they won't have a impact on combat, just flavor/social/RP stuff. I think there was a Dev Blog or video where they mentioned that. damned if i can find it now though.

Found it - http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=9949689#edit9949689

At this time, we do plan on having "racial" abilities, but they will be cosmetic in nature. Think of them as "social" abilities or actions that your character is able to do based on their species.

We wanted to give you something special for your character based on species, but we did not want it to influence your choice in the sense that you would feel "I have to be a Twi'lek Consular because they get +5 Willpower."

So, active "racial" abilities are planned, but they won't affect your combat gameplay in any way.

We'll elaborate more in the future.

[Sand]

Well based on that I dont care what race I play.

Thus far classes that seem interesting to me include-
Empire- Sorcerer (mage) or Mercenary (DPS warrior)
Republic- Sage (cleric) or Vanguard (tank)

[Fordel]

What makes you think a Mercenary is a DPS warrior?

[eldaec]

The biggest issue I have with finding a class to stay interested in is the lack of any interesting support class.

The healers all seem to use simple two spell big heal/little heal spam mechanics, and AFAIK there is no control specialist in the game. Basically I want to play a CoH controller or defender in all games.

[Sky]

Or a sage being a 'cleric'. They have a healing tree. It's not Rift, but a sage can also be ranged dps.

There are a couple dps-only ACs, but the rest have two roles (maybe three?) they can fill. And they don't want them to be hybrid (unless you water down the spec yourself), so a Jedi Shadow (consular AC) should be able to fill the MT role (properly specced and geared, of course) as a Vanguard.

[Tyrnan]

Do Consulars (and Sorcerers I guess) get a CC spec? I'm sure I remember reading something about that but it was a long time ago so it's a bit hazy. I thought it was part of the Sage AC but maybe it has been removed/watered down in the meantime. Which would be a shame as the thought of having heals, CC and being able to twat people in the face with a lightsabre was a large part of Consulars attraction for me.

[Count Nerfedalot]

I'd have to disagree. Star Wars is an incredibly well crafted SF adventure. Empire added in a lot of real drama. They are quite good films. The rest are pretty much disposable. I don't remember Revenge Return any more than I remember the newer ones--though at least I can remember the title.

I do think that part of SWG's failure was that it was based on an older (well my) generation's childhood understanding of the series as being about blasters and x-wings, rather than the younger generation's understanding that the series was about massed number of jedi running around with light sabers.

I think SWG's failures were a lot more basic and technical, rather than anything to do with differnce in feel from the movies!  That said, SWG was definitely a helluva lot more about creatures and melee than the original movies which were about vehicles and blasters.  

[eldaec]

Do Consulars (and Sorcerers I guess) get a CC spec? I'm sure I remember reading something about that but it was a long time ago so it's a bit hazy. I thought it was part of the Sage AC but maybe it has been removed/watered down in the meantime. Which would be a shame as the thought of having heals, CC and being able to twat people in the face with a lightsabre was a large part of Consulars attraction for me.

Heal spec, DD spec, or DoT spec.

[Sky]

Do Consulars (and Sorcerers I guess) get a CC spec? I'm sure I remember reading something about that but it was a long time ago so it's a bit hazy. I thought it was part of the Sage AC but maybe it has been removed/watered down in the meantime. Which would be a shame as the thought of having heals, CC and being able to twat people in the face with a lightsabre was a large part of Consulars attraction for me.

Dunno specifics, and if I did   I know several classes have CC capabilities, so the shadow might get a sap type thing. I've seen ice grenades or some kind of freeze ray/bomb and BH gets a nifty lasso.

Does any mmo have a pure CC spec? Rift had the Dominator, but was it pure CC. Too many problems with strong CC, from having to balance all pve encounters for it to lolpvpbalance.

[Ingmar]

Do Consulars (and Sorcerers I guess) get a CC spec? I'm sure I remember reading something about that but it was a long time ago so it's a bit hazy. I thought it was part of the Sage AC but maybe it has been removed/watered down in the meantime. Which would be a shame as the thought of having heals, CC and being able to twat people in the face with a lightsabre was a large part of Consulars attraction for me.

Heal spec, DD spec, or DoT spec.

That's on the Sage side. There's also melee/stealth/tanking stuff on the Shadow side. Still no CC-as-a-role though.

EDIT: Sky, early MMOs certainly did (pac healers in DAOC for example). There's a reason they've been dropped.

[Tyrnan]

Ah, maybe it was just that they had a few CC abilities rather than a whole spec for it, and I'm misremembering it.

Does any mmo have a pure CC spec? Rift had the Dominator, but was it pure CC. Too many problems with strong CC, from having to balance all pve encounters for it to lolpvpbalance.

Yeah I played an Illusionist for a few years in EQ2. SOE's answer to balance was to make anything worth fucking CCing immune to it 

[eldaec]

Does any mmo have a pure CC spec? Rift had the Dominator, but was it pure CC. Too many problems with strong CC, from having to balance all pve encounters for it to lolpvpbalance.

Depends on how pure you mean, but EQ Enchanters, DAoC Sorcerors, CoH Controllers, EQ2 Coercers, EVE HICs, all spring to mind as pretty damn pure.

I appreciate that post-2004 all mmogs have tended to lack any interesting support classes, presumably because of the rule about all game mechanics being stolen from one specific rather bland EQ clone.

[Sky]

Also, what I said about it destroying pve and pvp. Either the cc becomes a required class, or it's useless. And it's not fun in pvp.

It seems pretty clear to me why the idea of a pure cc archetype is history.

[palmer_eldritch]

My six year old nephew doesn't like *any* of the live action Starwars movies, there ALL boring to him. He literally WONT watch them, he'll get bored and just wander off to play with his Legos instead.

StarWars to him is the CGI Cartoon show and all his Starwars Legos. The original movies don't even any sense to his little child brain. 'Why are the soldiers bad guys? What happend to Rex?' (one of the clone commanders on the CGI show)

That also bothered me, except in reverse. I only half-followed the story in the prequels and couldn't understand why Yoda seemed to be so friendly with the stormtroopers.

[eldaec]

In the EQ era, yes, CC power was a problem.

But the more recent games (obviously I mean the games from 7 years ago before the mmog-dark-age began) largely fixed that by using softer control mechanics.

Knockback/up/down, accurancy debuff, short duration effects, temporary charms, decoy pets, instead of long term chainable mezz and stun.

CoH controllers in particular were all sorts of fun, and most (good) controllers would tell you the traditional mass stun powers were usually skippable because they were balanced by short duration and long cooldown.

[eldaec]

Oh, and in this sort of game, fuck pvp.

[tmp]

God damn it, she was acting! That is how they do romance on Naboo! Those people are just north of Vulcans in the emotion category. Right? 

It's difficult to act all relaxed when you're painfully aware you're the royalty and a craddle robber.

[Sand]

What makes you think a Mercenary is a DPS warrior?

The entire description from the website?

If the best defense is a good offense, the Mercenary’s got the most
intimidating defense in the galaxy. Heavily-modded blasters and deadly heatseeking missiles make the Mercenary a mobile heavy weapons
platform. There’s no problem extra firepower can’t solve, and no one
who knows what he’s doing gets between a Mercenary and his target.

Or a sage being a 'cleric'. They have a healing tree. It's not Rift, but a sage can also be ranged dps.

A cleric can do ranged DPS as well depending on the spells they memorize each day, or the build they choose in WoW. They are still clerics though and are mainly sought out for healing.

[Evildrider]

What makes you think a Mercenary is a DPS warrior?

The entire description from the website?

If the best defense is a good offense, the Mercenary’s got the most
intimidating defense in the galaxy. Heavily-modded blasters and deadly heatseeking missiles make the Mercenary a mobile heavy weapons
platform. There’s no problem extra firepower can’t solve, and no one
who knows what he’s doing gets between a Mercenary and his target.

Yeah I don't see it as a dps warrior either.  I mean warriors are melee.  If anything I'd say it was closer to a hunter, ranged dps with some tricks.

[Sand]

What makes you think a Mercenary is a DPS warrior?

The entire description from the website?

If the best defense is a good offense, the Mercenary’s got the most
intimidating defense in the galaxy. Heavily-modded blasters and deadly heatseeking missiles make the Mercenary a mobile heavy weapons
platform. There’s no problem extra firepower can’t solve, and no one
who knows what he’s doing gets between a Mercenary and his target.

Yeah I don't see it as a dps warrior either.  I mean warriors are melee.  If anything I'd say it was closer to a hunter, ranged dps with some tricks.

Aww true. I was conflating ranged (blasters) and melee (sabers) and shouldnt have. My mistake.
Okay you're right. Not dps warrior. They are now rangers/hunters/amazons. 

[eldaec]

Merc can spec for short range dps, long range dps, or healing.

I don't know what you mean by DPS warrior anyway.

[Fordel]

The Actual DPS warrior would be the Jedi Knight and Sith Warrior, they have the melee and 'rage' mechanics.

[Sand]

I don't know what you mean by DPS warrior anyway.

Have you ever played any other rpg or mmo before?
The difference between a tank and a dual wield warrior?
A sword and board versus polearm barbarian?

[Ingmar]

We could probably ask you the same question, given the description you quoted talks all about ranged weapons.

[Murgos]

I don't know what you mean by DPS warrior anyway.

Have you ever played any other rpg or mmo before?
The difference between a tank and a dual wield warrior?
A sword and board versus polearm barbarian?

How about instead of making up terms that are entirely dependent on which MMO you played last you use more neutral terms that everyone can figure out?  I don't know about you but I've played MMO's where a dual wield warrior was a tank and a pole-arm barbarian also would have been a tank.

Melee DPS, Melee tank, ranged dps, ranged tank, healer, buffer, cc, pet class (pet class really just being a method to swap between the other types depending on pet) and then hybrids of the concepts.

Personally, I like that SWTOR has slimmed down the style a bit by giving everyone pets, buffs and some cc (some more than others).

[Sir T]

I'd just like to be the first to predict the upcoming lightbows and lightarrows.