SWTOR

[Sky]

I don't understand the love for the one-ahead queue, to be honest.

Aren't you just mashing buttons still, but one action ahead of what your character is doing?

No. Without a queue, you have to mash buttons until the GCD/ability CD is over. With a queue, you can just press the next ability you want to use once and wait for it to fire off.

As a guitarist, I really don't appreciate stressing my carpals for a stupid game when there is a technical solution that's been in place for long enough to earn a phd. I argued like a stone cold motherfucker during Rift testing, and they put in a great solution: turn it off entirely, have it short (so if you hit the button just before the CD is over, it still fires) and full, meaning I cast spell A, then can immediately press spell B ONCE and not worry about timing the GCD/CD nonsense. Also good for spells with long refreshes, it will always remember the last button you pressed. But not anything beyond a 1-ahead queue. It's not about hitting the full rotation, just about removing mashing as much as possible. Turned it on (once I found the option, hah) in Rift last night and had the best half-hour in Rift ever. Amazing how much better the controls respond when they match your preference.

NO reason not to have it as an option, it just smooths out gameplay and removes most non-sensical button mashing - in fact, discourages it, which is why some people (WoW) don't like it. Takes some getting used to not hammering the keys and mistakenly queueing the same ability again if you hit it after it fires.

If anyone is testing, please lobby for the solution Rift put in place. Why not let players choose which one works best for them? I get that not everyone likes it. All the more reason to have the 3-tier option, tailor it to how you want without denying anyone else their own preference (that was the argument that eventually won out with Rift). Don't like it? Set it to off.

[eldaec]

Why is it every month I seem to discover yet another feature WoW has managed to uninvent...

[Zetor]

Unless I'm falling into the sarchasm, wow has had a single-ability queue for non-instants since early BC, and they made it possible to queue instants as well since Cata.

(I know this since it was the only thing that kept me playing.. as a caster with 600+ ping you were boned without any queuing, even if you used Quartz)

[Rasix]

Your awful lag wasn't a queue.  It was how latency interacts with the GCD.

[Kirth]

Your awful lag wasn't a queue.  It was how latency interacts with the GCD.

Stopcast macro all the things.

[Zetor]

Yea... I meant that halfway through BC they actually patched in a sorta-queue, where you could hit a spell when your previous spell was ~.5sec or less from finishing, and it'd go into a server-side queue and fire off right after the first spell finished. It did nothing about the GCD though (that check was client-side and server side), so instacasts would still suffer if you had bad latency.

Then they added an actual queue with Cata (there was a huge gnashing of teeth on the forums, then they added a toggle for it in interface options)

edit: This is the queuing 'fix' they added in 2.3

[Merusk]

I don't understand the love for the one-ahead queue, to be honest.

Aren't you just mashing buttons still, but one action ahead of what your character is doing?

No. Without a queue, you have to mash buttons until the GCD/ability CD is over. With a queue, you can just press the next ability you want to use once and wait for it to fire off.

You don't have to mash without a queue, either.  You just have to be quick enough to time the gcd right.  PVP's the only place I find myself mashing anything. Pve is all "press, press, press"  No difference with or without the queue, since with the queue I'd still have to press the button at the same rate either way.  

If the ability-fire cycle is 1s you're still pressing a button every 1s, and just allowing the program to fire it when the 1s is up instead of you pressing it when it's over.  You're not waiting another 1s before queuing the next ability, you're pressing it as soon as your queue is clear.   Which is why it makes better sense to me to have it in systems where ability windups are in a range, with most being greater than 1s.

[Sky]

Either I have to watch the hotbar to see when the ability is available, or I mash until it fires. I prefer to just queue it and watch for it to fire and look at the hotbar as little as possible. Works for me, and with a 2- or 3-way option it doesn't impede anyone who doesn't like it that way. I'm not trying to champion my way of doing things over other ways, it's trivial to support several ways.

[Ingmar]

Yea... I meant that halfway through BC they actually patched in a sorta-queue, where you could hit a spell when your previous spell was ~.5sec or less from finishing, and it'd go into a server-side queue and fire off right after the first spell finished.

Yeah this. That really seems like the only sort of queue you really need. There's no frantic mashing involved when I play WoW, certainly.

[Simond]

Your awful lag wasn't a queue.  It was how latency interacts with the GCD.

Psst. Blizzard added an ability queue in Cataclysm.

[Rasix]

Yah, I didn't read the whole statement.  MY BAD. I was wholly referring to the pre-Cata casting.

Yea... I meant that halfway through BC they actually patched in a sorta-queue, where you could hit a spell when your previous spell was ~.5sec or less from finishing, and it'd go into a server-side queue and fire off right after the first spell finished.

Yeah this. That really seems like the only sort of queue you really need. There's no frantic mashing involved when I play WoW, certainly.

I don't even remember when that was put in, and I had played a caster before and after.  But there was an awfully long gap between my resto shaman in Vanilla and my boomkin / resto shaman in BC.

[Miasma]

In WoW I have everything timed out on my main but when I play an alt I'm hitting keys over and over again until they become available because I don't know the timing.  I wouldn't have to do that if there was a full fledged queue system.  It isn't reasonable to expect me to muscle-memory all the timings on all my characters, especially since there are skills that may or may not trigger the global cool down, some of my characters will have more haste than others and so on.

[koro]

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=486040

Same-gender romances confirmed post-launch.

[Furiously]

And only 51 pages for that thread...

[Paelos]

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=486040

Same-gender romances confirmed post-launch.

Thank god. I was concerned about fictional gender equality in the fictionally based universe that I play in on the computer.

Also, I look forward to that patch being dubbed, "The Queer Eye Patch"

[Ingmar]

  Bioware.

[Rasix]

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=486040

Same-gender romances confirmed post-launch.

Thank god. I was concerned about fictional gender equality in the fictionally based universe that I play in on the computer.

Also, I look forward to that patch being dubbed, "The Queer Eye Patch"

That's your reaction to this? Really?

[Paelos]

Am I missing something? Is there some victory for gay rights involved with making sure we have proper romance options in SWTOR?

Believe me, I'm all for gay rights when it matters. I would fully support their rights to get married, property, etc and vote as such. However, the whole thing to me just seemed a large mountain out of a very silly molehill.

In essence, good for them, I couldn't care less either way since I have no dog in this one.

[Ingmar]

For having no dog you certainly have spent a lot of words on it.

[Paelos]

For having no dog you certainly have spent a lot of words on it.

It's a drop in the bucket compared to the threads that went on the forums about it. I'm just happy it's settled until the patch comes out, or doesn't come out, or takes too long coming out.

Then we'll get to have the same forum stupidity all over again instead of just remembering it's a game.

[Sjofn]

What you're missing - and this is easy for you to miss, I suppose, what with being a straight dude and thus secure in the knowledge you exist in the eyes of the world at all times - is that acknowledgement that you fucking exist and are worth representing in a game is a sign that things are changing, that the grind towards equality is gaining ground, even in places where it doesn't "matter."

No one likes spending their leisure time being vaguely aware that even in the Land of Make Believe they are Less Than the default group any more than they must. This is not strange.

[Evildrider]

Why can't I romance my droid or that sexy Dewback I saw on Tatooine?   

[Sobelius]

For having no dog you certainly have spent a lot of words on it.

It's a drop in the bucket compared to the threads that went on the forums about it. I'm just happy it's settled until the patch comes out, or doesn't come out, or takes too long coming out.

Then we'll get to have the same forum stupidity all over again instead of just remembering it's a game.

I don't pipe up much on such issues 'cause normally I agree, it really doesn't matter one whit compared to the fact my guy and I can't get hitched in Texas, where we live.

But when my male dude got to flirt with a guy, and progress to a post-bedding scene in Dragon Age...words are hard to describe the effect of seeing something even remotely reminiscent of my own life's experience represented in a game -- where I've NEVER seen it represented (decently) before. While it's unreasonable for me to expect anyone who's not walked a mile in my shoes to fully understand, what I'd like to hope of my fellow human beings, though, is some sense of empathy and understanding. Bioware seems to have that and I, for one, am grateful.

[Sobelius]

Bioware.

Ditto. In spades.

[Paelos]

I get how it's important to you if you're gay. That makes total sense to be like, "Uh, I'd like this feature because it's how I would play the game if you weren't ignoring it exists."

If only things on the forums were that simple without people who aren't gay getting involved and firing bullets at each other, I think we would have all been better off.

[Sobelius]

What you're missing - and this is easy for you to miss, I suppose, what with being a straight dude and thus secure in the knowledge you exist in the eyes of the world at all times - is that acknowledgement that you fucking exist and are worth representing in a game is a sign that things are changing, that the grind towards equality is gaining ground, even in places where it doesn't "matter."

No one likes spending their leisure time being vaguely aware that even in the Land of Make Believe they are Less Than the default group any more than they must. This is not strange.

This. Thank you, Sjofn.

[Margalis]

I get how it's important to you if you're gay. That makes total sense to be like, "Uh, I'd like this feature because it's how I would play the game if you weren't ignoring it exists."

If only things on the forums were that simple without people who aren't gay getting involved and firing bullets at each other, I think we would have all been better off.

Isn't that exactly what you are doing? I'm confused.

In essence, good for them, I couldn't care less either way since I have no dog in this one.

Seeing that you started this conversation with mocking dismissal you do appear to care.

[Surlyboi]

Why can't I romance my droid or that sexy Dewback I saw on Tatooine?   

Who are you, Rick Santorum?

[Sobelius]

I get how it's important to you if you're gay. That makes total sense to be like, "Uh, I'd like this feature because it's how I would play the game if you weren't ignoring it exists."

If only things on the forums were that simple without people who aren't gay getting involved and firing bullets at each other, I think we would have all been better off.

Isn't that exactly what you are doing?

I'm confused.

Has not felt like bullets to me -- just relatively sane discussion, which I usually find only here. Yeah, we can get silly and heated, but it's a readable silly and heated -- nothing like the rabid nonsense on most official forums (what I used to call "Vault-style blathering" when those used to be the only forum option for many games).

[Paelos]

I get how it's important to you if you're gay. That makes total sense to be like, "Uh, I'd like this feature because it's how I would play the game if you weren't ignoring it exists."

If only things on the forums were that simple without people who aren't gay getting involved and firing bullets at each other, I think we would have all been better off.

Isn't that exactly what you are doing?
I'm confused.

I'm not firing bullets at them. I'm saying the whole shebang was overrated, on both sides. Because the reality is they weren't making comments about the game. They were making comments about the principles and politics. I believe any time you bring those into gaming, we all lose. But I'm happy that if you are gay, you have a choice to be gay in the game.

[Ingmar]

 

[Lantyssa]

I'll reserve the for when they actually add it.  Things change and I can't see same-sex romances being more of a priority than other systems which impact a larger number of people.  Sounds like a patch that will draw a lot of fire for that reason.  Not having it at launch is going to cause them nothing but trouble down the line.

Great for them if they do, but it's a damned if they do, damned if they don't situation on this one.

[Rasix]

But I'm happy that if you are gay, you have a choice to be gay in the game.

You didn't seem happy.

Here's another shovel. 

[Paelos]

You didn't seem happy.

From the jump, I'm just happy it's resolved. Perhaps it will end the shouting. However, Sobelius made some good points, so I'm happy for him. Win win.

EDIT: Also, I forgot that if you make a sarcastic joke about anything hot-button here, you're a fucking redneck bigot. My bad. Lordy.

[Margalis]

You didn't seem happy.

"Thank god. I was concerned about fictional gender equality in the fictionally based universe that I play in on the computer." That doesn't sound happy to you?

Maybe you read it as sarcasm when it was in fact 100% serious?