SWTOR

[Amaron]

It was not, no.  It was, however, a testbed and you can bet that its lessons will be spread throughout the EAverse, including sub games.   They'll start small and when they learn what will make sub players bitch but not flee and they'll begin expanding it quickly.  

I was reading about it a bit and honestly it sounds more like they went from free to play to psuedo-subscription by sort of forcing you to rent important stuff.    I'm curious how they'll translate that but knowing EA they'll do it with incompetence and end up with the worst policies possible.    Either way I'm still not too worried.   Sparkle ponies made millions.    Probably the sparkle pony all by itself made more money than any F2P MT game has ever made over a similar time period.    It would be 10 kinds of crazy to risk losing that sort of easy money to test a pay2win scheme.

[Merusk]

  It would be 10 kinds of crazy to risk losing that sort of easy money to test a pay2win scheme.

E.A.

[Amaron]

E.A.

That's true.  E.A. is very good at fucking up game development.   In general though they aren't quite that fail at milking people for money.   A pay2win SWTOR would make shit for money compared to subscription + sparkle ponies.   I don't doubt they could try it of course.   I just think in general they have the shining example of WoW and they are simply going to try and steal some of that pie first.

[Murgos]

Imma wait until it actually happens to get my panties wadded up about it.

[Draegan]

Imma wait until it actually happens to get my panties wadded up about it.

You sure you don't want to miss out on some good F13 panty twisting?  I mean, we should all take little details and blow them completely out of proportion. 

[jakonovski]

Putting RMT in your game just makes me compare the prices of virtual crap to actual games I could be buying. RMT trinkets invariably lose and I just chuck the whole shitty game and go play something else. SWTOR is dead to me if that happens. Dead.

the panties do nothing

[Lakov_Sanite]

Putting RMT in your game just makes me compare the prices of virtual crap to actual games I could be buying. RMT trinkets invariably lose and I just chuck the whole shitty game and go play something else. SWTOR is dead to me if that happens. Dead.

the panties do nothing

I wouldnt even bother buying the game. I'll call it right now, day one RMT

[Reg]

And the panty twisting continues...

[Draegan]

And the panty twisting continues...

It doesn't count when its Lakov.  He panty twists about everything.  I'm not sure how he goes about his daily life really.

[Simond]

Putting RMT in your game just makes me compare the prices of virtual crap to actual games I could be buying. RMT trinkets invariably lose and I just chuck the whole shitty game and go play something else. SWTOR is dead to me if that happens. Dead.

the panties do nothing

So what MMOs do you play?

[Lakov_Sanite]

And the panty twisting continues...

It doesn't count when its Lakov.  He panty twists about everything.  I'm not sure how he goes about his daily life really.

How's rift doing these days, f2p yet?

I wouldnt even bother buying the game. I'll call it right now, day one RMT

  "should read "I wouldn't bother if I were you"  Because I personally am buying this game rmt or not.

[jakonovski]

So what MMOs do you play?

None at the moment.

[Draegan]

And the panty twisting continues...

It doesn't count when its Lakov.  He panty twists about everything.  I'm not sure how he goes about his daily life really.

How's rift doing these days, f2p yet?

 

That's just a bad attempt man.  I'll let you try again.

[Paelos]

I'm going to buy it. I didn't buy Rift.

[Sky]

I didn't buy Rift.

It's definitely worth $10! 

[Evildrider]

I didn't buy Rift.

It's definitely worth $10! 

Rift was the first MMO I bought where I wish I could have gotten my money back.  It just did nothing for me., and this is from someone who played WAR for over a year.

[Rasix]

I don't see how the 2 games equate.  Unless you're admitting to playing something you thought sucked for an entire year.

[Paelos]

I played Rift. I did the Beta. It confused me with all the options and shit. Plus the story was ass, so I didn't buy it.

I say I'll buy SWTOR but if I get in the beta and it's crap, I would bail. Probably a solid reason to NOT let me in a beta.

[Rasix]

Not letting us in beta is definitely a good way to maximize the f13 revenue.  Of course, even if there are giant warning sirens going off all over the place, 90% of the folks here having second thoughts will still buy it.

[sam, an eggplant]

Eh? Obviously they're going to drop the NDA closer to release, and there will be lots of NDA breakage as the testing volume expands. You'll hear all you could possibly want to hear about the game. They'll probably have a stress test also. There'll be a swtorhead and allakaswtor and swtor.curse.com and SWTOR Insider. Some guy with a lisp will livecast the beta on justin.tv as he levels up to 50.

You won't go into SWTOR sight-unseen unless you really want to.

[Paelos]

Watching someone play WoW when it came out didn't do me any good, though. In fact, watching any MMO that's ever come out in the history of time has always left me with the same impression of "wow, that's terrible."

Playing it, however, is something else. It's not terrible when it's your moisture farms out there on the planet.

[Ingmar]

Watching someone play WoW when it came out didn't do me any good, though. In fact, watching any MMO that's ever come out in the history of time has always left me with the same impression of "wow, that's terrible."

Playing it, however, is something else. It's not terrible when it's your moisture farms out there on the planet.

I was totally different, coming from DAOC and just watching some guy's feed wandering around in Elwynn Forest, doing quests, killing spiders, etc., made me go "holy shit that looks so much better."

SWTOR isn't quite giving me the same feeling, but I'm still just about certain I'll enjoy it.

[Malakili]

Watching someone play WoW when it came out didn't do me any good, though. In fact, watching any MMO that's ever come out in the history of time has always left me with the same impression of "wow, that's terrible."

Playing it, however, is something else. It's not terrible when it's your moisture farms out there on the planet.

This has been my experience, by and large, as well. 

SWTOR *sounds* a lot better than it looks to me.  And what people have said about playing it and the feel they get sounds much more promising to me than the actual gameplay videos (for example, Penny Arcade write up).

[Paelos]

My new MMOG test model is "can it survive the first 3 months with polish and thrive?"

If it can, it will live. If not, it will die a slow painful death and I will know it after the first month, never to return. The last time that happened was WAR.

[Surlyboi]

Bought Rift on the recommendations of some people here, Meh.

Will certainly buy SWTOR.

[Amaron]

Putting RMT in your game just makes me compare the prices of virtual crap to actual games I could be buying. RMT trinkets invariably lose and I just chuck the whole shitty game and go play something else.

Does that include stuff like sparkle ponies or are you talking about stuff that matters?

[Hoax]

Bought Rift on the recommendations of some people here, Meh.

Will certainly buy SWTOR.

Rift > Aion > SWTOR

All three still very bad.

[jakonovski]

Putting RMT in your game just makes me compare the prices of virtual crap to actual games I could be buying. RMT trinkets invariably lose and I just chuck the whole shitty game and go play something else.

Does that include stuff like sparkle ponies or are you talking about stuff that matters?

I suppose it comes down to whether the sparkle pony takes resources away from subscriber stuff. In case of WoW, copy pasting gear graphics is/was rampant, and that was indeed one of the reasons I quit.

[Amaron]

I suppose it comes down to whether the sparkle pony takes resources away from subscriber stuff. In case of WoW, copy pasting gear graphics is/was rampant, and that was indeed one of the reasons I quit.

I am very confused.  Don't sparkle ponies generate resources?  Also thank god this is F13 or we'd already be drowning in pony image macros.

[Surlyboi]

Bought Rift on the recommendations of some people here, Meh.

Will certainly buy SWTOR.

Rift > Aion > SWTOR

All three still very bad.

And you know this how?

[Murgos]

It's Hoax, he doesn't ever know anything he just asserts it very strongly.

[jakonovski]

I am very confused.  Don't sparkle ponies generate resources?  Also thank god this is F13 or we'd already be drowning in pony image macros.

Yeah, more resources to the profit margin.

"What do you mean build more content? They got the sparkle pony, that's content!"

[Paelos]

I suppose it comes down to whether the sparkle pony takes resources away from subscriber stuff. In case of WoW, copy pasting gear graphics is/was rampant, and that was indeed one of the reasons I quit.

I am very confused.  Don't sparkle ponies generate resources?  Also thank god this is F13 or we'd already be drowning in pony image macros.

Sparkle ponies generate revenue. Whether or not the company decides to apply that money to actual development resources and production of future product is a question for the upper management and the lifetime of the game itself.

Right now, I think the general consensus is that they are applying that revenue to development of other projects and are milking the cash cow while they can before they cannibalize their game.

[Hoax]

It's Hoax, he doesn't ever know anything he just asserts it very strongly.

Hey look I'm sure that there will be people who like star wars but aren't fanboi enough to be insulted by the fact that there is an off tank jedi class and a buffing jedi class AND who want to play what is essentially a half baked single player RPG with other people despite the fact that the combat systems are unresponsive diku drivel (same as they ever are) because they like being able to auto attack and auto pilot AND don't care that lewtz really aren't as cool in a scifi let alone star wars setting.

Those people might like it more than Aion. Really though who is watching 10 minutes of gameplay and thinking: "can't wait to buy it!"

What the fuck is the appeal? That they are shoving a square IP into a round hole? It has SW music? Laser swords?

*edit* this video was what sealed it for me, its not trying to pan the game at all but just look at it, what the fuck is exciting about that combat? How does it not look like <generic_mmo> reskinned with Star Wars trappings?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sL4il3SZ_Hc

I dare someone to say that this game is worth playing because we have 3 dialogue options during quests. I fucking dare you. 

[Paelos]

The game is worth buying for the dialogue options. Options are good. You are insane.