F13 in EvE: Band of Brothers headshotted! Come help us in Delve!

[Cadaverine]

I would be interested, though I've scrapped my old characters, and would be starting over from scratch. 

Assuming that a super-casual partially clueless pvp newb is something you are in need of.   

[Phildo]

Always, if you don't mind being a mosquito with a lasso 

[Hayduke]

Pretty cool thread, but I can't help but feel a twinge of regret that guilds this cool are being wasted in EvE  .

[Cadaverine]

So I started over, and rerolled as Ranja Trask. 

I will be merrily grinding missions, and schlepping through the learning skills again while idling in the F13 channel and surfing for porn. 

[fuser]

If making money wouldn't be such a damn chore, I might be back playing. That and getting it to work stable under WINE (fuuuuuuuuuuuuk windoze!!!11!).

Was thinking about that according to http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=387 they are using transgaming's cedega in a binary package now, this would pretty much eliminate the wine requirements right?

[apocrypha]

Endie that was such a good recruitment post that I'd consider re-subbing if I was capable of playing yet :D

Quick question though - my problem with EVE pvp has always been the hours of dicking about before you can actually get a fight. Now, sometimes this dicking about can be fun in itself - cat'n'mouse games with an opposing fleet/gang etc - but often even the best bits of that are long and boring. So my question is, if you guys log on and decide you want a scrap, do you, even in GF, still have to endure the hours of dicking about before you can get a-blastin?

[Quinton]

A couple things:

I want to also chime in and say that Endie rocks.  His original MMO forum post got me to resubscribe and join -BAT- early this year and his contributions to our fun and well-being are amazing. 

Goons are often foul-mouthed, aim for the offensive to get a reaction, and sometimes obnoxious, but most of the people I've run into in LOVEU (our adoptive corp) and on ops have been quite nice.  One thing Goons do like nobody else is logistics.  Some of the best out of game tools (the evemap app for one) were written by Goons.  Their in-game and out-of-game infrastructure is seriously unbelievable, and the GoonFleet wiki is easily the best compilation of EVE information I've ever encountered.

After we joined Goonswarm, I trained up my ECM skills to fly an ECM battleship in fleet operations... so I needed a couple Scorpions (the BS in question).  Posted a request in a ships-for-sale thread on the forums and within a day, I had two ships contracted to me one system away from our home system at a highly competitive price.  I needed fittings for these ships -- another person on the forums was selling complete fitting bundles for fleet battleships based on the approved fleet fittings (see again the wiki).  Posted a request, a day or two later I had all the bits I needed to enable me to prevent our foes from targeting at a range of 250km delivered to our home station. 

Here's a blast from the past -- some screengrabs and video from one of our early Frigate Club adventures mentioned above:
http://sunnyvale.frotz.net/eve/2008.03.01/

This video in particular shows off Endie's highly reassuring FC'ing of our gang of troublemakers:
http://sunnyvale.frotz.net/eve/2008.03.01/Bat-Country-03-01-08.wmv

I'm pretty casual.  Every now and again I'll burn a solid day or so on a weekend doing EVE stuff but often go a week or two between logins if work is crazy.  I've had a fantastic time flying with the -BAT- folks and expect to enjoy even crazier adventures in the future.

Join us.

[Endie]

So I started over, and rerolled as Ranja Trask. 

I will be merrily grinding missions, and schlepping through the learning skills again while idling in the F13 channel and surfing for porn. 

You want to join up with us as soon as you can apply: the F13 channel is much quieter than the supar-sekrit one for people in the corp, and you will soon get bored soloing missions in empire.  The traditional Goonfleet manner of doing this is to apply, get accepted then just podjump to empire and ask your corpmates what to do next, but we can get you into our space pretty quickly by more traditional routes, instead, if you like.

Just don't play solo!

Endie that was such a good recruitment post that I'd consider re-subbing if I was capable of playing yet :D

Quick question though - my problem with EVE pvp has always been the hours of dicking about before you can actually get a fight. Now, sometimes this dicking about can be fun in itself - cat'n'mouse games with an opposing fleet/gang etc - but often even the best bits of that are long and boring. So my question is, if you guys log on and decide you want a scrap, do you, even in GF, still have to endure the hours of dicking about before you can get a-blastin?

The problem with an MMO is, as you know, that the targets are people and might not co-operate  .

To balance that, the last three fleet fights against Stain that I was on I simply turned up at the time the operation was due to form up, within 20 minutes or so we were on our way, and fights started on getting into the system and in each case lasted for hours.  In one of them, after three hours of non-stop engagements, regrouping, re-engaging and so on I got carried away and warped to close range in my sniping eagle    Inevitably enough, I lost it, but even after jumping to a station system 15 jumps away (thank-you jump bridge shortcuts!) and refitting a rokh the fight was still going on when I got back.  I think i got something like 120 kills in those fights, including capitals: they were great.

Of course, it's not always like that: you're right that a lot of Eve is finding targets.  But there are almost always a few operations - either serious business of roaming slosh ops - announced in The War Room, and if you are lucky enough to be in the US timezone there are also squad-level ops: Rho are always running stuff around Scalding Pass and L4X, for instance.  Eurosquad do run stuff too but I've been in Rho for ages, so can't comment.

[Comstar]

What kind of infrastructure is aviable in the area of operations? There's no refinery? :(. So if I rat or kill drones, how/where do I refine the stuff I don't want down? Is there a factory and/or refinery station where you are/near where you are based out of?

How many jumps to empire/nearest trade hub? How and who camps is the pipe?

If I get X amount of ore/drone pieces, can someone haul it and sell it for me in empire?

[Endie]

What kind of infrastructure is aviable in the area of operations? There's no refinery? :(. So if I rat or kill drones, how/where do I refine the stuff I don't want down? Is there a factory and/or refinery station where you are/near where you are based out of?

How many jumps to empire/nearest trade hub? How and who camps is the pipe?

If I get X amount of ore/drone pieces, can someone haul it and sell it for me in empire?

Here's what happens right now:

I've set up a couple of faction POSes in quiet, high-truesec systems in the drone regions.  I also imported a bunch of cans to start people off (though I'll have to import more, since people "borrrow" them) and put them in a hangar array at the POSes.

People then take a can out, anchor it, fill it up with high-end drone minerals as they rat, then dump the full can in the array again, labelled with their name.

Every couple of weeks or so I come along, fuel the towers, pick up the cans, and haul them to a nearby station.  Then, I either contract them to a local capship builder or jump them out to empire.

There are two refineries close by, one of them upgraded, so I dunno quite what you mean by the lack of a refinery.  However, if I am selling it myself I don't refine the drone materials at this stage as they are worth more in their highly compressed state.

I then do stuff with spreadsheets to work out who is owed what, and give back 100% of the take to the ratters.

It means that people don't get their money immediately, but you can make a lot of money for your time invested.  If, for instance, we decided to drone rat our way to a BatSquad mothership we could do so in a moderately unpleasant week and a half.

As to how many jumps we are from empire right now: 2.  I jump to a safe deathstar with a cyno array at a midpoint, then I stick up a cyno in a quiet lowsec system in the Forge.  Obviously, from there it is just a matter of freightering to Jita.

[nurtsi]

This makes me wanna re-sub. I cancelled few months ago because I had to move and didn't have decent internet for a while (and now I didn't make it past 30 days in WAR). I think I should have T2 guns trained now if CCP didn't mess that up with their recent changes. Can you guarantee people get in if they want? I might not bother re-subbing if I have to fly with other folks...

[Slayerik]

Pretty cool thread, but I can't help but feel a twinge of regret that guilds this cool are being wasted in EvE  .

Piss off. Some people like games with rails, others like open games involving intarnet spaceships in a massive 1 server sandbox.

No game comes close to Eve in depth. It's not for everybody.

[Yegolev]

I'd like to know what the scenario is for a miner.  I have a Mackinaw but can probably fly a Hulk as well... I just don't have one.  If I join up, I'll be doing so with my industrial pilot who has practically zero combat skill, and I'll be doing little other than mining and refining.

[Slayerik]

Hell, Endie has a Rorqual I think that would increase your mining gains by a significant amount.  Just find out where he hangs and stalk em! :) Everything I have heard is there is no minimum kills per character and carebearing characters are pretty standard.

[Yegolev]

I'd hope carebearing was OK in the case of industrial pilots, otherwise I might as well go play PotBS.  What I'm getting at is that I'm interested in mining and refining and I'd like to do so in a secure 0.0 system with some supporting logistics that I don't have to two-box.

[Endie]

I'd like to know what the scenario is for a miner.  I have a Mackinaw but can probably fly a Hulk as well... I just don't have one.  If I join up, I'll be doing so with my industrial pilot who has practically zero combat skill, and I'll be doing little other than mining and refining.

Thrawn set up a small POS a couple of systems over from me, and he mines there when he's not bubbling dreadnoughts.  He mines into a CHA, I use the rorq to compress and haul his ore out, and sell the high-end in Jita, while bringing fuel back out when needed.  Megacyte is down a bit just now, but his first shipment came to 1.2 billion or so.  If you set up an operation somewhere down here with a hulk I'll help you out the same way: the system I use is moderate truesec at best, but has a good 20 or so belts, each with about 20-odd ark and bistot rocks on average.

Hell, Endie has a Rorqual I think that would increase your mining gains by a significant amount.  Just find out where he hangs and stalk em! :) Everything I have heard is there is no minimum kills per character and carebearing characters are pretty standard.

I have a rorq and Vedi has one in Geminate that I'll hand back to him when he learns to fly it :D

And there are, indeed, no requirments to PvP if you don't want to.  It's just more fun if you do, sometimes.  We have a lot of industrialists and there is no PvP/carebear divide (mainly because a lot of us do both, especially in the rush for capitals).

[Slayerik]

There is no secure 0.0, as I might come roaming in at anytime ;) I'm sure you know that though. Their space is pretty quiet I think.

All this being said, I know I'm speaking for Endie and Co. but I am almost positive they would be glad to have you, and that your logistics are easily taken care of there.

[Miasma]

I'd like to know what the scenario is for a miner.  I have a Mackinaw but can probably fly a Hulk as well... I just don't have one.  If I join up, I'll be doing so with my industrial pilot who has practically zero combat skill, and I'll be doing little other than mining and refining.

I have enough time right now to do this too if it's okay.  I can bring my little fighter guy too and come out on the weekends as well, I didn't realize the operations were so casual and that you could just come out when you want.  How do we actually go about joining, is there a station we go to and apply or do we evemail you our board name from the character?

[Slayerik]

So I started over, and rerolled as Ranja Trask. 

I will be merrily grinding missions, and schlepping through the learning skills again while idling in the F13 channel and surfing for porn. 

10 mil in your account :)

[Endie]

I'd hope carebearing was OK in the case of industrial pilots, otherwise I might as well go play PotBS.  What I'm getting at is that I'm interested in mining and refining and I'd like to do so in a secure 0.0 system with some supporting logistics that I don't have to two-box.

I see reds once every few hours or so, and they are reported on the intel channel well before they reach me, usually.  I dunno if Thrawn has ever had a red enter his system in a month or so.

That said, if you go afk then you'll eventually die: Slay is right that nowehere in 0.0 is completely safe.

But then, where is?  If you mine in a mack or a hulk in empire the Jihadswarm will get you eventually.

[Yegolev]

I'd hope carebearing was OK in the case of industrial pilots, otherwise I might as well go play PotBS.  What I'm getting at is that I'm interested in mining and refining and I'd like to do so in a secure 0.0 system with some supporting logistics that I don't have to two-box.

I see reds once every few hours or so, and they are reported on the intel channel well before they reach me, usually.  I dunno if Thrawn has ever had a red enter his system in a month or so.

That said, if you go afk then you'll eventually die: Slay is right that nowehere in 0.0 is completely safe.

But then, where is?  If you mine in a mack or a hulk in empire the Jihadswarm will get you eventually.

Oh, yea, I'm aware of all this.  Should have said "relatively safe" meaning there is some sort of patrol or intel that should give me a tipoff to warp out eight or nine times out of ten.  I can watch local as well as anybody, especially in a quiet 0.0 system.  I never AFK mine.  Never, even in empire where my drones can take down any rat pack.  My issue at the moment is that I don't have the liquidity to replace my Mac if I lose it, which is a bit of a stress factor.

Sounds like you buy your POS fuel instead of mine it, is this due to a lack of ice?  I'm already set up to mine+refine ice and I could contribute more quickly... I'd rather have a lackey to haul the ice but I can fly it in if I have to.

[Pig Destroyer]

Just reactivated after being inavtive for more than a year.  In game name is Negation.

I used to be in Goonfleet (Merch Industrial specifically) back when I did play, so I am actually docked in a Goon station, but there's a slight problem in that I am no longer a member of that corp, and I am afraid if I try to start moving around to get to a station to apply to the F13 Corp my poor Dominix will get blowed to itty bitty bits.

Any advice on how I can get into the corp?

[Endie]

Just reactivated after being inavtive for more than a year.  In game name is Negation.

I used to be in Goonfleet (Merch Industrial specifically) back when I did play, so I am actually docked in a Goon station, but there's a slight problem in that I am no longer a member of that corp, and I am afraid if I try to start moving around to get to a station to apply to the F13 Corp my poor Dominix will get blowed to itty bitty bits.

Any advice on how I can get into the corp?

a) Jump clone back to empire and apply there.

b) If your clone is up to date, podjump back to empire and apply there

c) If you have no jump clones and your clone is not enough to hold your current skillpoints then undock in your pod and I will scram, web and ransom you then podkill you anyway scout you to empire.

Obviously, until you are in our corp you won't be able to dock in a Goon station.

[Endie]

I'd hope carebearing was OK in the case of industrial pilots, otherwise I might as well go play PotBS.  What I'm getting at is that I'm interested in mining and refining and I'd like to do so in a secure 0.0 system with some supporting logistics that I don't have to two-box.

I see reds once every few hours or so, and they are reported on the intel channel well before they reach me, usually.  I dunno if Thrawn has ever had a red enter his system in a month or so.

That said, if you go afk then you'll eventually die: Slay is right that nowehere in 0.0 is completely safe.

But then, where is?  If you mine in a mack or a hulk in empire the Jihadswarm will get you eventually.

Oh, yea, I'm aware of all this.  Should have said "relatively safe" meaning there is some sort of patrol or intel that should give me a tipoff to warp out eight or nine times out of ten.  I can watch local as well as anybody, especially in a quiet 0.0 system.  I never AFK mine.  Never, even in empire where my drones can take down any rat pack.  My issue at the moment is that I don't have the liquidity to replace my Mac if I lose it, which is a bit of a stress factor.

Sounds like you buy your POS fuel instead of mine it, is this due to a lack of ice?  I'm already set up to mine+refine ice and I could contribute more quickly... I'd rather have a lackey to haul the ice but I can fly it in if I have to.

It's an opportunity cost thing: I mine ark and buy fuel with the proceeds because I can make almost 60mill per hour with minerals, and an entire month's worth of all fuels for a small costs me about 90 minutes' pay to have delivered to within a couple of jumps.

That said, the local cost of fuel is a lot higher, and it may be pretty profitable to mine that, too.

PS don't try and sumggle your hulks/mackinaws in manually, people: a rorqual can hold a lot of exhumers, between the cargo bay and hangar.  Viin has also offered to get folks' ships in.

[Pig Destroyer]

Just reactivated after being inavtive for more than a year.  In game name is Negation.

I used to be in Goonfleet (Merch Industrial specifically) back when I did play, so I am actually docked in a Goon station, but there's a slight problem in that I am no longer a member of that corp, and I am afraid if I try to start moving around to get to a station to apply to the F13 Corp my poor Dominix will get blowed to itty bitty bits.

Any advice on how I can get into the corp?

a) Jump clone back to empire and apply there.

b) If your clone is up to date, podjump back to empire and apply there

c) If you have no jump clones and your clone is not enough to hold your current skillpoints then undock in your pod and I will scram, web and ransom you then podkill you anyway scout you to empire.

Obviously, until you are in our corp you won't be able to dock in a Goon station.

a) According to my handy dandy character sheet, I have never Clone Jumped. (did I mention I haven't played in a while? :) )

b) It does appear that my clone is up to date enough to hold all of my skill points. (I have 23,929,282 and the clone is for 25,600,000)  So I will hop into my pod and head towards empire space.

c) Don't want to put you through any trouble of trying to escort my n00b ass back to empire, if I die it looks like I'll end up being ok.

[Slayerik]

Change your home station to something in empire. If you dont have implants, just self destruct your pod home and spend the 2 mil on a new clone.

[Pig Destroyer]

Change your home station to something in empire. If you dont have implants, just self destruct your pod home and spend the 2 mil on a new clone.

Anywhere specific?  I do have implants, but from what I remember they're not amazing or anything.  Perhaps I could sneak through Goon Space and get to our 0.0 station?  I am in the F13 channel in game if anyone can log in now and maybe gimmie directions.

[Endie]

Change your home station to something in empire. If you dont have implants, just self destruct your pod home and spend the 2 mil on a new clone.

Anywhere specific?  I do have implants, but from what I remember they're not amazing or anything.  Perhaps I could sneak through Goon Space and get to our 0.0 station?  I am in the F13 channel in game if anyone can log in now and maybe gimmie directions.

You'll not be able to ninja it: you'd get to the station undock point and be told you don't have rights to enter.  You'll have to go to empire to join at an office.  Join the F13 channel and ask there abotu which station to go to: your corp history will make it easy to see who you are.  If everyone is in WarF13 and busy, just be patient.  Someone will have it on blink...

[Pig Destroyer]

Ok, I successfully made it to safe space, currently on the way to Jita.  I don't have access to the WarF13 channel because I wasn't invited, but if anyone gets on and knows of the best station to apply close to Jita that'd be swell.

[Endie]

Ok, I successfully made it to safe space, currently on the way to Jita.  I don't have access to the WarF13 channel because I wasn't invited, but if anyone gets on and knows of the best station to apply close to Jita that'd be swell.

Whoah, you're quick.  I'll PM you with where to apply and what to say in case Samson isn't around (this is a quiet time of teh day for us).

[Pig Destroyer]

Ok, I successfully made it to safe space, currently on the way to Jita.  I don't have access to the WarF13 channel because I wasn't invited, but if anyone gets on and knows of the best station to apply close to Jita that'd be swell.

Whoah, you're quick.  I'll PM you with where to apply and what to say in case Samson isn't around (this is a quiet time of teh day for us).

Alrighty, app is in, now...I wait. :)  Thanks for the help Endie.

[Slayerik]

Make sure to change your clone location to somewhere relevant now :)

[Comstar]

More economic questions: Cool there's a refinery/Edie's refinery service: what about a factory, is that the missing station in the area?

I ask because I have a lot of tech 1 researched BPO's and did enjoy building it and selling stuff locally that wasn't otherwise available.  Still, being 2 jumps from Empire probably means most people don't bother? What's the market like/need?

When I left I had 3 Mech Engineer agents getting datacores: are they still researching even though I'm not subscribed?

[Slayerik]

More economic questions: Cool there's a refinery/Edie's refinery service: what about a factory, is that the missing station in the area?

I ask because I have a lot of tech 1 researched BPO's and did enjoy building it and selling stuff locally that wasn't otherwise available.  Still, being 2 jumps from Empire probably means most people don't bother? What's the market like/need?

When I left I had 3 Mech Engineer agents getting datacores: are they still researching even though I'm not subscribed?

Yes. You have some money waiting for you.

[Endie]

More economic questions: Cool there's a refinery/Edie's refinery service: what about a factory, is that the missing station in the area?

I ask because I have a lot of tech 1 researched BPO's and did enjoy building it and selling stuff locally that wasn't otherwise available.  Still, being 2 jumps from Empire probably means most people don't bother? What's the market like/need?

When I left I had 3 Mech Engineer agents getting datacores: are they still researching even though I'm not subscribed?

We have a lot of factory stations.

Where we are based in Geminate there is a factory station linked by jumpbridge to the refinery station (it's also only two jumps via the gates).

If we move south at some point we have a lot of refinery/factory pairs.  Remember, this is ex-ASCN space    And we've added a lot since...