Android!

[RhyssaFireheart]

I have a hacked/rooted nook color and I love it, personally.

Then again, I use it as a mobile web surfer, angry birds player, and ebook reader. And twitter and gmail. But that's it.

That's about all I'd use one for as well.  If I want to play 3D games or something like that, I have a lovely PC with much better specs than a tablet.  Angry Birds, that freaky alchemy game (gah!  What's the name of that?  3 of us played that for the whole gaming session last Saturday) and other games like those are what I like.  And I think finally converting to an e-reader isn't going to kill me.

[RhyssaFireheart]

Well, went last night and upgraded from the BB Storm to the Samsung Charge.  First impression is that I'm pleased, although cleaning up my contacts list is going to be funstuff.  And now I have Angry Birds.  The sounds effects alone will keepme amused for a good long while. :D

[Rendakor]

It's just called Alchemy.

[RhyssaFireheart]

Yeah, I found the one that was just called Alchemy and it's amusing me, but the one I was thinking of looks different.  It has a more structured setup and a parchment paper type background insead of just plain black.  I like the one I found though because the combinations make sense - chicken + egg = dilemma.  I got a laugh out of that one.

Anyways, barely three days and I have a problem already - my email text is now looking all scrambled and/or cyrillic.  Although, not all the emails have his problem, only some of them.  And some are mixed - normal text with gibberish.  Only thing I can think of is that I checked out another system font for the phone and when I realized it changed ALL fonts to look like that, I went back to the default.  So now I'm wondering how to fix the gibberish.

EDIT - nm.  Simple reboot fixed the gibberish problem.

[fuser]

So OTA upgrade came out for 3.1 on the Galaxy Tab 10.1 IO and it's noticeably stabler with Wifi. There's a lot of visual fixes and improvements: time zone locked on the Samsung 3.0 build, new WiFi indicator, new icons for a lot of apps, resizeable widgets, scroll back for multitasking, more features in chrome, etc.

Downside? After a month the physical device has a screen corner raising outside the bezel but Samsung let me RMA the device huzza. Rumours(no set production line/qa setup) say the IO devices are susceptible to a lot of defects in screen/glass due to the rushed timeline for IO build. Waiting to see reports on the retail one.

Alas after hating tablets I find myself using it every day, it's totally replaced my "smart phone", well besides calls  

[MuffinMan]

I didn't think the new Galaxy Tab was out until later this month.

[fuser]

I didn't think the new Galaxy Tab was out until later this month.

Pre-release versions were handed out at GoogleIO on May 9th. June 8th some were sold in an event in NYC.

[Quinton]

Ye gods, Samsung made a complete hash of the OTA process.  WTF is this "Samsung account" bullshit, or the inexplicable failure to update if you happen to have the power cable connected when you accept the update.  Grr.  The hardware is much nicer than Xoom (lighter, thinner, better display), but the software makes me sad.

It does seem like they've decrufted things a little in the 3.1 update.

[Engels]

Google should just take their money and make their own hardware. These 3rd party interlopers are always gonna muck stuff up.

[Yegolev]

Google should just take their money and make their own hardware. These 3rd party interlopers are always gonna muck stuff up.

[Trippy]

Google tried this and failed. They are not a consumer electronics company. Someday perhaps they will be but right now they are not.

[fuser]

Ye gods, Samsung made a complete hash of the OTA process.  WTF is this "Samsung account" bullshit, or the inexplicable failure to update if you happen to have the power cable connected when you accept the update.  Grr.  The hardware is much nicer than Xoom (lighter, thinner, better display), but the software makes me sad.

Yeah a lot of wierdness requiring an account to update. It seems a few apps are ripped out wish pulse was gone also. Hey release the honeycomb source so I can install a CFW ;)

Also the co-worker with lockups bricked his galaxy tab because his was encrypted, post 3.1 it wont unlock no matter what.

[Quinton]

Ye gods, Samsung made a complete hash of the OTA process.  WTF is this "Samsung account" bullshit, or the inexplicable failure to update if you happen to have the power cable connected when you accept the update.  Grr.  The hardware is much nicer than Xoom (lighter, thinner, better display), but the software makes me sad.

Yeah a lot of wierdness requiring an account to update. It seems a few apps are ripped out wish pulse was gone also. Hey release the honeycomb source so I can install a CFW ;)

Sadly that'll have to wait until ICS this fall.  At that point, I expect Cyanogen and the other custom ROM folks will be doing some serious tablet android custom build hacking.

Also the co-worker with lockups bricked his galaxy tab because his was encrypted, post 3.1 it wont unlock no matter what.

Here's the workaround I'm aware of for that, which unfortunately does involve erasing your data:

1. power off (hold power until display and backlight are off)
2. hold vol-down + power to power up the unit -- keep both held until you see the USB logo and Downloading... icon
3. release both buttons
4. tap vol-down until the blinking green thing is over the USB logo
5. tap vol-up - you are now in fastboot mode
6. using the fastboot tool, do:
7. fastboot erase cache
8. fastboot erase userdata
9. fastboot reboot

(note, vol-down is the side of the volume rocker nearest the power button)

[fuser]

awesomeness  

Thanks for that, we were going to just try to adb push back a clockwork recovery.zip but that's much easier

edit:
Worked perfectly for his Galaxy Tab, also used it to quick format mine where its getting RMA'd.

Only note was to edit the usb driver(android-sdk\extras\google\usb_driver\android_winusb.inf) for the Galaxy Tab. Took someone's post on the 10.1v ID string and edited it to work. Stuck the USB ID info below the [Google.NTx86] section on my 32bit machine.

;
;Galaxy Tab 10.1
%SingleAdbInterface% = USB_Install, USB\VID_04E8&PID_6860&REV_9999&MI_01
%CompositeAdbInterface% = USB_Install, USB\VID_04E8&PID_6860&MI_01
%SingleAdbInterface% = USB_Install, USB\VID_04E8&PID_6601
%SingleAdbInterface% = USB_Install, USB\VID_0955&PID_7000

[Sand]

Quinton or someone I need help.

I have found that when using my work email through my Nexus S, unless I am in a 3/4G area or connected to WIFI my outgoing emails through my work account simply sit in the outbox and never get sent.
Even upon returning to a 3G or wifi area I can hit the "send messages" button in the outbox trying to force them and they still just sit there.

Only thing I found I can do is to delete them, retype and try to resend them.


This is VERY frustrating considering how much I use my phone for work emails. Anyone know of a fix or work around?

[Ingmar]

More info needed. What sort of mail server/connection type? What app are you using for mail?

[Sand]

More info needed. What sort of mail server/connection type? What app are you using for mail?

IMAP. Using the installed mail program that came on the phone.

[Quinton]

Hmm.  I only use the gmail app for mail.  I have heard people grumble about issues with the email app but I'm not familiar with its bugs or limitations.  A lot of people seem to like "K9 Mail" which is an app based on the platform's basic email app but with a bunch of changes.

[Sand]

Quinton,
Do a Google  search for outgoing business mail errors on android phones. Lots of pages with complaints but so far no solutions I have found.
I didn't seem to have this problem on the G1 though.

[Ingmar]

I would think it is pretty unlikely your work email allows outgoing mail to be sent through it that way. The typical standard would be that you use your ISPs SMTP server as the outgoing server and your own mail server as the incoming server. IMAP as a protocol is just a way to retrieve mail, outgoing mail is just going to be straight up SMTP and allowing that from an outside network would make you an open relay.

Your phone provider should have an SMTP server you can point to for outgoing messages, that's what you should be using if you're retrieving your mail with IMAP (or POP.)

[Sand]

I would think it is pretty unlikely your work email allows outgoing mail to be sent through it that way. The typical standard would be that you use your ISPs SMTP server as the outgoing server and your own mail server as the incoming server. IMAP as a protocol is just a way to retrieve mail, outgoing mail is just going to be straight up SMTP and allowing that from an outside network would make you an open relay.

Your phone provider should have an SMTP server you can point to for outgoing messages, that's what you should be using if you're retrieving your mail with IMAP (or POP.)

The in and out smtp servers are both provided through our email client.

My phone provider is T-mobile and they've never provided me with an outgoing smtp server.

Found this post referencing the issue:
Im not IT savy enough to know if this is the same issue effecting me. Since I only have this issue when not 3g connected.

SMTP Outgoing server on T-Mobile Internet
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12-08-2009 05:51 PM

I have the Nokia N900.  It's a great phone, but if you're using an email service other than the main ones (AOL, Yahoo, Gmail) the outgoing server is going to be a big hang up when using the T-Mobile network.  My coporate email uses IMAP, so I  use the setup the email account using the incoming server name and...no problem.  I can download all of my email messages just fine.

 

However, the tricky part is being able to send them.  While your incoming port is based on where you're getting your mail from, your outgoing (smtp) port is based on what internet connection you're sending the message out from.  If you're on a home network, your internet provider has its own outgoing port that you'd use.  If you're at work, your company's network providers have an outgoing port that you'd use.

 

Unfortunately, T-Mobile has kept their outgoing port information a really big secret.  The only option they offer is that you link your IMAP email client with the My Email configuration on your My-Tmobile.com account.  Then, you can configure the account in your phone as POP3 through your MyTmobile email account.

 

Get what I'm saying?

 

My question is, why can't T-Mobile just give us an outgoing port to use the email with?  Do I really have to sync my work email with Mytmobile.com?  AT&T offers their outgoing ports on their website, but tmobile does not.  Does anybody know something that I don't?  For those of us who are buying and using unlocked phones on the network, this is a big pain.  I should be able to use the IMAP email client directly between my email and my phone and only use T-Mobile's outgoing server.  Not being able to really frustrates me.

I found another post saying T-Mobile IP's were being blocked by spam filters such as spamhaus or spamcop and this is causing some people to have outgoing email issues.
http://code.google.com/p/k9mail/issues/detail?id=724


http://forums.t-mobile.com/t5/myTouch-3G/SMTP-over-SSL-Port-465/td-p/325366





I think I will try downloading and running the K9 client and see how that works. I cant believe between Google and T-Mobile someone didnt catch this in Q&A before release.

[Ingmar]

That post is essentially saying what I just told you. You have to use T-Mobile's SMTP server to send. If under 'outgoing server' you're putting your work server info in, it shouldn't work.

[Tebonas]

This is email 1-0-1. You really can't blame Google for your own lack of knowledge regarding this topic.

Also, secret smtp server is kind of exaggerated. Even if they don't provide you with all the info on a sheet of paper or directly on the web site it needs exactly one google search.

    SMTP Server: myemail.t-mobile.com

    User name: None, or T-Mobile SMTP username
    Password: None, or T-Mobile SMTP password

[Sand]

This is email 1-0-1. You really can't blame Google for your own lack of knowledge regarding this topic.

There is nothing on either T-mobile's website or the phone's owner manual that says to use t-mobile's smtp server so how I should have known that is beyond me.
Additionally this issue never came up with the G1.
I used our own smtp outgoing server on the G1 and miraculously it worked fine.  The problem I would have on the G1 was getting a "connection error" on every other email with an attachment.

In fact here is their own customer support video on setting up corporate email.
http://support.t-mobile.com/videos.html?autoplay=vibrant_settingUpCorporateEmail.flv

And here is the support page showing how to set up "other" email accounts almost all of which say to get the smtp info from the email account provider.
https://support.my.t-mobile.com/doc/tm23502.xml#five


Here is the smtp outgoing server we have used in the past: smtpout.secureserver.net

[Ingmar]

1) The first video you linked is for setting up an Exchange ActiveSync corporate account. That has nothing to do with what you are doing.

2) The second link requires a log-in so I have no idea what it says but given your understanding of the topic so far I have my doubts it says what you think it says.

3) Ugh, secureserver.net. OK, so yes, in this case what you have is an SMTP server that can be used out of network, but it requires authentication. Odds are you have not set up your authentication properly if your messages are sitting in the outgoing queue. (Also that's a shitty company that among other things are responsible for tons of false spam blacklist entries, I'd never use them personally. YMMV, and it is kind of off topic for this.)

[Tebonas]

Thats an SMTP relay server, isn't it? If so, is SMTP relay activated on your email account?

[fuser]

This is another example why SMTP need's to die.

[Rendakor]

Shit like this is why I could never stand to use Outlook or any other email client. Web based or gtfo.

[Sand]

Thats an SMTP relay server, isn't it? If so, is SMTP relay activated on your email account?

Yeah its set at 250 right now.

3) Ugh, secureserver.net. OK, so yes, in this case what you have is an SMTP server that can be used out of network, but it requires authentication. Odds are you have not set up your authentication properly if your messages are sitting in the outgoing queue. (Also that's a shitty company that among other things are responsible for tons of false spam blacklist entries, I'd never use them personally. YMMV, and it is kind of off topic for this.)

Re-read the first email. Its not ALL outgoing messages. Only when Im not in a 3g or wifi area. Basically when Im traveling on business and using data on a roaming network.

[01101010]

Was debating which type of phone to pick up since my plan was up and I got that nice worm on a hook from Verizon with their now defunct new for two plan. Flirted with the iPhone, but since most of my stuff is nestled in google, I opted for an Incredible 2. That and Verizon dropping the price to $99 online along with my $50 bait. Any opinions on Google voice for texting? I would love to save that cash a month.

[Salamok]

Thats an SMTP relay server, isn't it? If so, is SMTP relay activated on your email account?

Yeah its set at 250 right now.


 

3) Ugh, secureserver.net. OK, so yes, in this case what you have is an SMTP server that can be used out of network, but it requires authentication. Odds are you have not set up your authentication properly if your messages are sitting in the outgoing queue. (Also that's a shitty company that among other things are responsible for tons of false spam blacklist entries, I'd never use them personally. YMMV, and it is kind of off topic for this.)

Re-read the first email. Its not ALL outgoing messages. Only when Im not in a 3g or wifi area. Basically when Im traveling on business and using data on a roaming network.

Obviously your work server is allowing you to relay since it works over a 3g connection.  My guesses are as follows:

1. Need to increase your timeout settings on the phone's mail client.
2. Check to see if there is a max hops setting (server side I think) try increasing it.
3. Tmobile is blocking smtp traffic on their non 3g network.

All of these issues will go away if you switch to tmobile's smtp server since it is likely only 3 or 4 hops away from your phone.

Edit ~ if the messages are stuck in your outbox and not appearing to be sent then that rules out it being a spam filter issue.

[Sand]

Switched to the K-9 email program found in the market. Seems to have solved the problems.
All my emails sent from the road this past week went out.

[Yegolev]

I'm eligible for an upgrade now.  Looking hard at the available LTE phones this week has made me decide to use the money to instead fix my wife's computer.  I think the fix will be to buy a new mobo/cpu for it.  Maybe once this is over and done, there will be some sort of Android VZW device that doesn't have some glaring flaw* in a review.

*dramatic effect

[01101010]

Jump quick on the Verizon side of the coin, with unlimited data going away within, like hours, now.

[Salamok]

Jump quick on the Verizon side of the coin, with unlimited data going away within, like hours, now.

I think it is grandfathered indefinitely for anyone who currently has a Verizon unlimited data plan.  I was going to upgrade my original droid but now am thinking of waiting to see how the iPhone 5 and Droid Bionic pan out.