Star Trek

[Venkman]

Holy SHIT that was a good trailer. If the movie sucks, I'll just watch this again 

[Slyfeind]

It's possible they are just fucking with people when they say that stuff. This is JJ Abrams after all. He likes to do that sort of thing.

But Then Again, this is Star Trek, so...I'm guessing at the end Captain Picard will say "Freeze program" and it will all be a holodeck thing. Or a dream. Probably both.

[Stormwaltz]

Long time ST-fan (my father used to watch it during dinner when I was ~10), first time poster in this thread.

I liked TOS. When I was younger, there was even a time I read all the novels as they came out. I liked a lot of TNG, though it had a very different feel. Got bored with DS9 half way through and stoppped watching (apparently, before it became good). Voyager and Enterprise were wastes of time. I only watched a few episodes of each. Next Gen movies kind of all sucked. But then, there are only two classic Trek movies - Khan and Undiscovered Country.

I had concerns about Abrams' revision after seeing the previous trailers. I withheld judgment.

But this new one? I must quote Dr. Weird's assistant; "Gentlemen! Fill me with barbecue sauce, because I'm dumb as hell!"

But what else should I have expected from one of the writers of the science fiction masterpiece Armageddon?

Anyway. That clinched it for me. Giving this one a pass.

[Venkman]

Ah, so you thought the existing formula was improveable? I can see that. For me, I basically gave up on it around that same before-it-got-good period for DS9. I limped through Voyager semi-interested some of the time and didn't make it past the pilot for Enterprise. Heck, I only really started truly liking TNG after Best of Both Worlds.

The new film is sorta like DCUO for me: it's compelling just because it's different and so far has presented to me an experience I want. Whether it survives me watching/playing, won't know for awhile.

But then, I loved Armageddon.  In all seriousness, it was a dumb patriotic ra ra summer movie, and sometimes that's good enough for me.

[ahoythematey]

As a Trek fan myself, I'm very optimistic about this, especially based on the casting and the direction.  I'm thinking the biggest potential danger to the movie is the fact that it's a franchise reboot and carries the baggage usually accompanying those.  It could go Batman Begins on us(also an origin story) and be all sorts of Robot-Jesus-Awesome, or it could be Superman Returns and make the prospects of future movies very "Meh".

Yes, J.J. Abrams did take part in writing the screenplay for Armageddon's story, but then he also wrote Regarding Henry, Forever Young, created that island show that half the internet nerds all over itself every week, and to top it all off, he wrote my favorite movie to be headlined by Danny Glover and Joe Pesci, Gone Fishin'.  Well, maybe that last one was a joke...  I liked the last movie he directed, so I guess I'll take that scriptwriter from Armageddon over more vampire-space-nazis-from-the-future-and-the-past and sultry vulcans with the acting prowess of a pickle.

[Khaldun]

I dunno. As far as time travel shit goes, the Romulan bad guy appears to say something that's very time-travelly in the trailer at one point. Maybe that's just more teasing.

[Riggswolfe]

Yes, J.J. Abrams did take part in writing the screenplay for Armageddon's story, but then he also wrote Regarding Henry, Forever Young, created that island show that half the internet nerds all over itself every week, and to top it all off, he wrote my favorite movie to be headlined by Danny Glover and Joe Pesci, Gone Fishin'.  Well, maybe that last one was a joke...  I liked the last movie he directed, so I guess I'll take that scriptwriter from Armageddon over more vampire-space-nazis-from-the-future-and-the-past and sultry vulcans with the acting prowess of a pickle.

Sadly, out of that list of movies the only one I enjoyed was Armageddon and that is a definite guilty pleasure. It's just so damned over the top that I can't help enjoying it. Steve Buscemi's character alone is more entertaining than most characters in other movies.

I dunno. As far as time travel shit goes, the Romulan bad guy appears to say something that's very time-travelly in the trailer at one point. Maybe that's just more teasing.

[ahoythematey]

I dunno. As far as time travel shit goes, the Romulan bad guy appears to say something that's very time-travelly in the trailer at one point. Maybe that's just more teasing.

Granted, the time-travel aspects apparently in this new movie do give me pause sometimes, but it could not possibly be as bad as Enterprise was, right?

RIGHT?

[Lakov_Sanite]

if the time travel angle is just a way of making this star trek universe2(or five, however many they have) then I'm asll for it because it means they aren't constrained by any of the previous series lore except the very basics.

[Miasma]

I liked star trek IV so I don't really care about the time travel... 

Also, bluestripe.  You need to read past the first page.

[Venkman]

if the time travel angle is just a way of making this star trek universe2(or five, however many they have) then I'm asll for it because it means they aren't constrained by any of the previous series lore except the very basics.

This, for me. I'd rather have them try something new and fail spectacularly than pump out another hamfisted life lesson political allegory as the safe thing to do.

[Khaldun]

Yes. But honestly, if they want to reboot?

Just reboot.

Say, "Glad you liked all those other stories. But this is a remake: it's not in the old continuity, it's a new thing with the old characters. No connection except the IP, the characters, the rough situation."  The time travel thing saddles it with a nasty storytelling virus that even Robot Jesus would have a hard time getting away from.

[DraconianOne]

This thread makes me feel like I'm trapped in a time loop.

Maybe Riker will show up and the whole movie will turn out to be a holodeck novel. 

But Then Again, this is Star Trek, so...I'm guessing at the end Captain Picard will say "Freeze program" and it will all be a holodeck thing. Or a dream. Probably both.

Making a good movie should be the only justification they need.  If they want to reboot the franchise they should have just rebooted it instead of building this movie around a time travel plot so they could explain away why it doesn't fit in with continuity.  You can't really have it both ways.

Yes. But honestly, if they want to reboot?

Just reboot.

Say, "Glad you liked all those other stories. But this is a remake: it's not in the old continuity, it's a new thing with the old characters. No connection except the IP, the characters, the rough situation."  The time travel thing saddles it with a nasty storytelling virus that even Robot Jesus would have a hard time getting away from.

I'm sure Darniaq has expressed the fact that he's eager to see this movie because it's a refreshing take on an old and faded IP several times as well but that could be an alternative universe influencing the thread and not the temporal Moebius strip that this is turning into.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Yes. But honestly, if they want to reboot?

Just reboot.

Say, "Glad you liked all those other stories. But this is a remake: it's not in the old continuity, it's a new thing with the old characters. No connection except the IP, the characters, the rough situation."  The time travel thing saddles it with a nasty storytelling virus that even Robot Jesus would have a hard time getting away from.

Making it the same universe gives them a lot of leeway for cameos and crossovers. Neither of these things in my mind is a good idea but I'm sure that's the reason it's not an entirely new trek.

[Venkman]

Cameos could work as long as the tone set by JJ Abrams is maintained. That means the old style of Trek cameos don't work. Which means they can't throw a cameo character under the bus to show how evolved the sensibilities of the "right" crew is. Which means they can't dig up TOS characters to show how much more evolved Starfleet/Federation has gotten from the guntoting Pike/Kirk days. Which means they don't have Joe Piscopo teach Data music or some crap. Trek became a parady of itself in harkening back to the bygone era of optimism that gave us Back to the Future and Real Genius. The 80s to us is like the 50s to our parents, but Trek didn't really get beyond that, because TNG was their highwater mark.

I want a modern inspired Trek, but without the Heroes-esque hamfisting.

I'm sure Darniaq has expressed the fact that he's eager to see this movie because it's a refreshing take on an old and faded IP several times as well but that could be an alternative universe influencing the thread and not the temporal Moebius strip that this is turning into.

Yea, but I think there was a precursor thread to this one because even I'm getting deja vu when I say I'm interested just because it's new

[Triforcer]

What Trek needs is a reboot of the Federation.  Make a show about how some catastrophic external threat (maybe Andoria gets the Death Star treatment, or something else like that) causes some elements in the Federation to want go much more militarist and fascist (and others are idealists who want to keep things the same).  The planets (and different elements of Starfleet Command) slowly gravitate into those respective camps- the Earth faction and the Vulcan faction, maybe.  Things slowly deteriorate into full blown civil war, and the rest of the quadrant factions try to grab a piece of the action at the same time. 

That would be good Trek.     

[ahoythematey]

That already happened and it was good trek.  It was called DS9.

[stray]

Everyone keeps saying the first season of DS9 sucks, but to be honest, I don't even remember if the first season sucked or not. I just don't remember anything about it. I remember everything else though, and DS9 is by far the best of the bunch. Perhaps it's too little too late for some people, but at the time, I was new to it all, watched the different series back to back, and think that's the most interesting one. And it's silly to just write it off under some excuse that you don't want any more "Star Trek". It's Star Trek, but an entirely different formula. No monster-of-the-week/scientific oddity shit, and actual consistent/longterm antagonist characters (good ones, too).

[Reg]

No no. All of us world-weary internet guys as we sigh heavily, light up a gauloise and put on our collectible Spock ears are totally confident that Trek has been dead since the Wrath of Khan. And nothing anyone says can ever change that.

[stray]

I understand why everyone likes Khan.. Villain wise, he's the best. But he only had like a movie and an episode's worth of screentime, right? So to me, Gul Dukat is more interesting. You get tons of Dukat in DS9, and he consistently steals the show, just like Khan did. He's not the aggressive type of villain character like Khan is, but maybe that's why he's so funny to watch too. All Cardassians are funny, even the (relatively) good guys like Garak. They're deceptive bastards. It's cool to see what they do to people over a long period of time.

[ahoythematey]

As a little DS9 aside, I still don't understand why they haven't taken the Section 31 concept and built a show around that.  It would be a great fit for today's political and idealogical climate, and I think it could be home to some great stories as well.

[Venkman]

As a little DS9 aside, I still don't understand why they haven't taken the Section 31 concept and built a show around that.  It would be a great fit for today's political and idealogical climate, and I think it could be home to some great stories as well.

Wait, was Section 31 in DS9? I read some of the books and they were the kind of Trek I could get behind.

[Ironwood]

Jeri Ryan was the kind of Trek I could get behind.

[stray]

I forgot about Section 31. I always thought it'd be cool to see a Trek series through of the eyes of only one character. Not section 31 necessarily, but a Starfleet Intelligence operative or something. It's cool to see one person break the rules, but not an entire clandestine unit. Either way, they'd be the kind of series that leave more options to explore civilian and political life on a deeper level, and the criminal world like the Orion syndicate. Which, after all of the different series have been said and done, still hasn't been touched on enough.

[ahoythematey]

Wait, was Section 31 in DS9? I read some of the books and they were the kind of Trek I could get behind.

Yep.  William Sadler had a particularly juicy role in it.

Jeri Ryan was the kind of Trek I could get behind.

Often I'll catch an episode of Voyager and feel like I really missed out on some decent Trek with the whole Seven-of-Nines plotline; that perhaps I should have watched it when it was first on more often.  What was most certainly a fluke at first (anybody arguing that she wasn't brought on for the T&A is full of crap) ended up being exploited quite well for story purposes, and it makes me wish TNG had maybe followed through some more on the whole Hugh/splinter-borg faction theme, but without Lore making a big mess of things.

With that having been said, I still second Ironwood's sentiments.

[Ironwood]

Meh.  She had ok stories and bad stories and then she was in the Holodeck in Paris in a sundress.

Worked for me.

[Hoax]

No no. All of us world-weary internet guys as we sigh heavily, light up a gauloise and put on our collectible Spock ears are totally confident that Trek has been dead since the Wrath of Khan. And nothing anyone says can ever change that.

lol'd

I'll see this because I've skipped a ton of stuff that was pandering to people like me lately (i.e. every Marvel movie since X-Men 2 except Iron Man) but I really really like spaceships so I don't feel bad watching this.  Fucking spaceships 4tw

[Simond]

This thread makes me feel like I'm trapped in a time loop.

Maybe Riker will show up and the whole movie will turn out to be a holodeck novel. 

But Then Again, this is Star Trek, so...I'm guessing at the end Captain Picard will say "Freeze program" and it will all be a holodeck thing. Or a dream. Probably both.

Making a good movie should be the only justification they need.  If they want to reboot the franchise they should have just rebooted it instead of building this movie around a time travel plot so they could explain away why it doesn't fit in with continuity.  You can't really have it both ways.

Yes. But honestly, if they want to reboot?

Just reboot.

Say, "Glad you liked all those other stories. But this is a remake: it's not in the old continuity, it's a new thing with the old characters. No connection except the IP, the characters, the rough situation."  The time travel thing saddles it with a nasty storytelling virus that even Robot Jesus would have a hard time getting away from.

I'm sure Darniaq has expressed the fact that he's eager to see this movie because it's a refreshing take on an old and faded IP several times as well but that could be an alternative universe influencing the thread and not the temporal Moebius strip that this is turning into.

Three. 

[Ratman_tf]

TACHYONS!

[Ashamanchill]

Holy SHIT that was a good trailer. If the movie sucks, I'll just watch this again 

Lol.  Honestly this movie is one of the only things on the big screen that looks watchable for the next while.  I'm not expecting a whole lot out of it....I just want to see the Enterprise destroy some smug alien ship, and Kirk make it with an alien babe.  Is that too much to ask?

[Ragnoros]

Holy SHIT that was a good trailer. If the movie sucks, I'll just watch this again 

Lol.  Honestly this movie is one of the only things on the big screen that looks watchable for the next while.  I'm not expecting a whole lot out of it....I just want to see the Enterprise destroy some smug alien ship, and Kirk make it with an alien babe.  Is that too much to ask?

This.

[Khaldun]

Apparently there was a total nerdgasm in Austin when there was a surprise early showing of the film at a planned showing of Wrath of Khan. But it's a lot of the usual suspects who've gushed wrongly about other things when studios were sufficiently slavish towards them (think AICN). Still, promising.
 

[ahoythematey]

Goddammit.  I saw that listing in the paper and was thinking about seeing it since seeing Khan in a theater seemed fun.  Why the fuck did I decide to play WoW instead?

[Azaroth]

Wait, was Section 31 in DS9? I read some of the books and they were the kind of Trek I could get behind.

Yeah, it was introduced during the period that DS9 got good. That being the Dominion Wars.

Everyone who quit DS9 before the last couple seasons really missed out. Clear and away the best trek of all time, depending on personal taste.

Remove Voyager talk from this thread. We're talking about DS9 now. Voyager is ass and can gtfo.

I forgot about Section 31. I always thought it'd be cool to see a Trek series through of the eyes of only one character. Not section 31 necessarily, but a Starfleet Intelligence operative or something. It's cool to see one person break the rules, but not an entire clandestine unit.

Watch the DS9 episode"In The Pale Moonlight".

For real.

Right now.


Edit: I used google and wikipedia for you:

"In the Pale Moonlight" (working title: Patriot) is the 19th episode of the sixth season of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. The episode has an average rating of 4.8/5 on the official Star Trek website (as of March 1, 2008), making it the highest rated episode on the website (including all of the Star Trek series).[1]

As far as your comment about the Orion Syndicate, that happened in DS9 as well.

[UnSub]

Saw this (audio probably NSFW), thought it was a probably a good warm up for all the slash fic that will inevitably follow the movie's release.