Star Trek

[Riggswolfe]

In any case, you're obviously one of those guys that hasn't liked Trek in a good twenty years.  You  just don't like it anymore. It's ok. Tastes change.

*takes a deep breath* I'm by no means a Trekkie or Trekker or whatever the term is but I like Trek. I didn't like shows past TNG because they were sterile, poorly written pieces of crap that are being produced solely to cash in on the fans. Star Trek became horrible and needed to be stopped before it was past saving. This new movie looks interesting and I have some hopes for it but we'll see what happens.

[Reg]

Who knows? I guess it's remotely possible that you will suddenly start to enjoy it again for the first time in decades.

Perhaps the new Trek movie will have a spunky 13 year old who saves the ship over and over and over until blood shoots out of your ears. 'Cause really. That's what Star Trek is all about.

[Tebonas]

You sure you watched DS9? Usually the attacks against DS9 are the exact opposite of what you say. That its too gritty for a Trek, and that its long story arches run counter to the standard episode of the week concept.

[stray]

It had it's share of "grit", but it also had a lot of humor to it. Obvious humor and subtle. That's always the first thing that comes to mind when I think of it. Some people recommended BSG to me because it focused on "grit", but that isn't why I even watched DS9. Those two shows weren't going for the same thing at all (it's nothing like "Babylon 5" to me either, another show people recommend. I mean, if BSG and Babylon 5 is someone's idea of a better DS9, then they weren't watching DS9. They might be better by some standard, but they're entirely different).

[Evildrider]

Babylon 5 sucked ass. 

[stray]

I've only seen a few episodes of it.. Same with BSG. Couldn't get into either one.

But.. I understand that's how some people feel about DS9 as well (I'll be the first to admit that it didn't get off to a good start too --- but neither did any other Trek.).

[ahoythematey]

Just rewatched Wrath of Khan.  It's still awesome.  If Abrams is smart he'll have looked to a lot of that films more subtle touches as inspiration.

[Jain Zar]

I hope the new flick is good.  Itll give me impetus to run the old FASA Star Trek RPG I just got.  Ship counters only half punched out.  Great price and outside of the box wear and tear (its a 20+ year old copy!) its practically in perfect condition! 

[Abagadro]

Some people recommended BSG to me because it focused on "grit", but that isn't why I even watched DS9. Those two shows weren't going for the same thing at all

I actually think they are remarkably similar. Not surprising considering they were made by the same guy.

I'm one of those (and there are many) who think Trek improved mightily after Roddenberry had nothing to do with it. The entire first season and a half of TNG was absolutely terrible except for maybe 2 episodes. Only when Gene stepped aside did things really get going well IMO.

[FatuousTwat]

I'm one of those (and there are many) who think Trek improved mightily after Roddenberry had nothing to do with it. The entire first season and a half of TNG was absolutely terrible except for maybe 2 episodes. Only when Gene stepped aside did things really get going well IMO.

QFT. I've heard that Patrick Stewart kept his bags packed for the first 3 or so seasons. He expected it to fail any day.

[stray]

Some people recommended BSG to me because it focused on "grit", but that isn't why I even watched DS9. Those two shows weren't going for the same thing at all

I actually think they are remarkably similar. Not surprising considering they were made by the same guy.

Yeah, and I gravitated towards it when some told me that he was involved. I just couldn't get into it though. This may sound cheesy, but it could have been because it was a post 9/11 type of deal -- I mean, it seemed a lot more bleak and in touch with themes of war and crisis. I didn't stick around long, but I didn't notice much potential for humor either. On the flipside, even when DS9 got fully settled into it's Dominion story arc, characters like Weyoun (who was always getting killed by his shapeshifter superiors and cloned) were funny. And BSG Cylons are nowhere near as funny in their deception as Cardassians. I can't emphasize enough how funny Garak and Dukat become as the show progresses. Garak's the best Star Trek side character ever, and Dukat the best villain ever.

[Riggswolfe]

You sure you watched DS9? Usually the attacks against DS9 are the exact opposite of what you say. That its too gritty for a Trek, and that its long story arches run counter to the standard episode of the week concept.

To be fair, I was generalizing. My problem with DS9 was that the characters didn't click with me, especially the Captain. How that particular actor managed to play a Captain that I not only didn't like but that actively pissed me off I don't know. So, yeah, with DS9 it was more about the characters than the writing. I liked a couple of them, Quark and Bashir mostly. I liked umm...spotfacegirl kinda, but that's mostly because she was hot. Her character was kind of boring in the first season. I hear she improved later but they'd already lost me by then.

[Arthur_Parker]

The first DS9 episode had Sisko hating Picard, I thought the forced hate was such a lazy and obvious way to introduce an important new character.  I liked the original series, the casting in the later ones was either excellent or terrible, also too many kids.

[Slyfeind]

Some people recommended BSG to me because it focused on "grit", but that isn't why I even watched DS9. Those two shows weren't going for the same thing at all

I actually think they are remarkably similar. Not surprising considering they were made by the same guy.

Oh dang. I didn't know Ronald Moore had a hand in DS9. I love everything I've seen of his except BSG. By all rights I should like that show, but it just never clicked with me.

I'm one of those (and there are many) who think Trek improved mightily after Roddenberry had nothing to do with it. The entire first season and a half of TNG was absolutely terrible except for maybe 2 episodes. Only when Gene stepped aside did things really get going well IMO.

Sad yet true.

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[Simond]

Counterpoint to the "Voyager was good Star Trek" arguement: Threshold.

And seriously, people complaining about DS9/B5/BSG because they have story arcs? Really? You like reset buttons every week?

[HaemishM]

Babylon 5 sucked ass. 

You're dead to me.

[stray]

Counterpoint to the "Voyager was good Star Trek" arguement: Threshold.

And seriously, people complaining about DS9/B5/BSG because they have story arcs? Really? You like reset buttons every week?

Mind you, I never said it was good. Just that it had some good elements. So did Enterprise, but I'm not that much of a fan of either one.

[FatuousTwat]

Counterpoint to the "Voyager was good Star Trek" arguement: Threshold.

And seriously, people complaining about DS9/B5/BSG because they have story arcs? Really? You like reset buttons every week?

I'm going to admit a horrible secret. I like Voyager. It was the first Trek I watched as a kid when it was first starting (DS9 was on too late), and I pretty much never missed an episode. It is probably my second fav series after TNG (which I also watched the hell out of when I was a kid).

I never really watched DS9, it has never really been on at a good time for me even to this day.

[Ingmar]

Babylon 5 sucked ass. 

You're dead to me.

I don't know that I've ever seen a show with such a completely huge gulf in acting quality between the best performances and the worst performances than B5. On the 'incredibly good' end you had Londo and G'Kar just completely dominating the screen every time they were on it, despite their extreme makeup and prosthetics and such, and on the 'incredibly awful' end you had Lyta, who had no sense of timing AT ALL - and the doctor was painful too.

I liked the show but it was definitely held back by some of the actors.

[Merusk]

It helps that Andreas Katsulas (G'kar) was one of those fanatics as far as character actors go. The DVD set has a story that he'd get into makeup and WAS G'Kar until he took it off again, even at meal breaks or when having a cigarette.   Too bad he never got any really big roles.  His only other series with more than 2 appearances was TNG.

[Abagadro]

and on the 'incredibly awful' end you had Lyta, who had no sense of timing AT ALL

To be fair, Patricia Tallman is more of a stunt woman than an actress. The only reason she ended up in the series past the pilot was because Andrea Thompson bailed to go be on CNN.

I agree there was a huge gulf but mainly because Katsulas and Jurasik were so awesome (I'd also throw in Mummy, Furlan and Boxlietner in an elevated category, but not as elevated as those two).

[Reg]

It always cracked me up seeing Billy Mumy in the credits. It gave me Lost in Space flashbacks.

[Johny Cee]

It always cracked me up seeing Billy Mumy in the credits. It gave me Lost in Space flashbacks.

I always wondered why he didn't send the bad guys to the corn field....

[Venkman]

Voyager had high points?  Really? 

Year of Hell, that episode where they're introduced to Slipstream tech (by that vengeful guy), and the one where the prototype Federation ship split into three parts were all pretty cool. Where they fell down was that they didn't carry through in almost any of these concepts because their contracts required full seasons on programmed cycles.

I didn't hate this show with the bile some have here. I didn't really hate DS9 either, I just got bored with it purportedly before it got good. And Enterprise was just a bunch of retconned crap I was glad to see them stop doing. I like the lore of Star Trek, but the entire IP needed the reboot we may get with the next movie. And if that doesn't succeed in breathing life back into it, ah well. More important things in this world are no longer with us either.

[stray]

Enterprise had one standout story arc: Brent Spiner came in and played Data's grandfather -- the Soong before the Soong. Hell, I don't even remember all of the details, but umm.. He was a genetic engineer or some such. He created these super soldier kids -- the oldest of which was played by the guy who played Paul Atreides in the Sci Fi Dune movies. Anyways, they got out of control with the asskicking or somesuch. Again, I don't remember the details, but something about his genetic modifactions were tied into how the appearance of the Klingons changed as well (from the TOS look to the TNG ridged foreheads).. which is where it got pretty funny.


Also, General Shran was a funny character. Because the actor Jeffrey Combs (who played a Ferenghi in DS9, along with Weyoun from the Dominion, along with a host of other shit.. the best of which is the doctor from Re-Animator...) is basically the funniest actor to ever be in Trek.

[Merusk]

It always cracked me up seeing Billy Mumy in the credits. It gave me Lost in Space flashbacks.

I always wondered why he didn't send the bad guys to the corn field....

That one's even more obscure, and even more awesome.

[Reg]

That Brent Spiner story arc was in the last season after they'd replaced the writers who gave us the mutant vampire time travelling space nazis.  The last season really wasn't bad. I was sorry they didn't get that writing team earlier. They might have saved the show.

[Ironwood]

You're dreaming.

Pretty much all the way through the thread.

[Reg]

Yeah, yea, I know. It's all shit and the writers are cunts. Trek has been dead since the Wrath of Khan.

[DraconianOne]

Also, General Shran was a funny character. Because the actor Jeffrey Combs (who played a Ferenghi in DS9, along with Weyoun from the Dominion, along with a host of other shit.. the best of which is the doctor from Re-Animator...) is basically the funniest actor to ever be in Trek.

Also had a one episode role in Voyager and Babylon 5 too.  Soon to be appearing as Wilbur Whateley in a new version of the Dunwich Horror from the director that brought you "Transmorphers", "Flu Bird Horror" and "Hillside Cannibals".

[Draegan]

Last season of Enterprise was actually pretty cool if you ask me, the rest was crap.

I liked DS9 once the better story arcs were getting established.  I will always watch a TNG show, and Voyager was always shit.

[palmer_eldritch]

You sure you watched DS9? Usually the attacks against DS9 are the exact opposite of what you say. That its too gritty for a Trek, and that its long story arches run counter to the standard episode of the week concept.

You had to stick with it for a while to get to that though. The first couple of seasons had a very different feel to the later ones.

[Ironwood]

Last season of Enterprise was actually pretty cool if you ask me, the rest was crap.

Yeah, but this is the important bit.  It was dead already.  The last season was merely giving a transfusion to a corpse.

[Draegan]

Once the put in a pretty good plot line and figured out how to create a storyline it got good.  They had to many retarded "lets explore random space" episodes that got rediculous.

[UnSub]

It's probably already been said, but I would have preferred Star Trek to take on a new crew and ship for the movie, not rehash TOS.

Also, I don't get the excitement around this. The preview did nothing for me.

... I'll show myself out.