Dr. Who

[Ironwood]

That would be the plot hole I mentioned, yeah.

[Mrbloodworth]

Not really sure where this "Moffat needs to go" comes from. Hes given life to this show.

So did Dr Frankenstein.  Thing still terrorised the village.

Also, stop poking the tiger for the sake of it.  Either read the fucking thread or don't.  We have enough shit trolls about at the moment.

Wasn't a troll. With out Moffit, the series would not be as popular as it is. I Basically completely disagree with your assessment of his contribution to keeping Who Relevant. The reboot has been the best who. An incredibly fun show to watch.

[palmer_eldritch]

I'm not saying this is a mark of quality but ratings for the last full season (seven) were actually slightly down compared to the final full RTD season (four). Eg, only the opening episode and the Christmas special got above nine million, while in Season Four there were three episodes plus the Christmas special above nine million.

There may be all sorts of reasons for that and I'm sure it's fair to say that the time had come for a new showrunner but there was no sign the show as in trouble before Moffat took over.

[Mrbloodworth]

I'm not saying this is a mark of quality but ratings for the last full season (seven) were actually slightly down compared to the final full RTD season (four). Eg, only the opening episode and the Christmas special got above nine million, while in Season Four there were three episodes plus the Christmas special above nine million.

There may be all sorts of reasons for that and I'm sure it's fair to say that the time had come for a new showrunner but there was no sign the show as in trouble before Moffat took over.

He was a writer on those sessions too. AFAIK, its a team effort.

[slog]

I used to watch the black and white reruns on PBS in the mid 70's.  After 4 decades, I find I don't care so much about plot holes and changing the rules. 

[palmer_eldritch]

We all agree I think that Moffat wrote some of the best episodes of the RTD era but when some of us complain about his leadership of the show we're talking about the period since he took over.

[Ironwood]

Which Bloodworth would know if he'd fucking read anything.

We don't just sit and shout abuse like fucking tramps.  For my part, I've laid out time and time again why Moffat is just so very WRONG for this job.  Saying 'I don't know where this comes from' is just a whole big 'I disagree with what you said' without any of the cleverness.

And we've already fucking admitted (Upfront and AT THE TIME) that his earlier writings were some of the best.  I can't pass 'Blink' without watching.  It's the retardery that happened to his writing once he was in charge that's offensive.

Call it Lucas Syndrome.

Which you KNOW BECAUSE WE'VE SAID THIS SO OFTEN.

Well done.  Troll succesful.

[Hayduke]

Can confirm.  Moffat's failings have been discussed ad nauseam.  Read the thread.

[Ironwood]

Day of the Doctor was ok.

Just to reiterate.  Worth a watch.

[Velorath]

Did some pretty crazy numbers in the theaters also from what I've read.

[Surlyboi]

It ranked second in the US for weekend box office.

[Simond]

Not really sure where this "Moffat needs to go" comes from. Hes given life to this show.

So did Dr Frankenstein.  Thing still terrorised the village.

Actually the "monster" was the victim of the piece and the torch-wielding villagers Were The Real Monster.
But whatever.

[Ironwood]

Like my critique of Moffat, nothing I wrote was factually incorrect.  Sure, it wasn't his fault he terrorised the village, but it's what happens.

Much like when another season of Moffat Who comes out and THE DOCTOR MIGHT DIE IN THE FINAL EPISODE OMG.

 

[sickrubik]

SO, I'm COMPLETELY IGNORING THIS THREAD to avoid spoilers. The fiancee and I have only been able to watch up through the Christmas Special from last year. The second half of Season 7 does not seem to be streaming anywhere (including Prime or Hulu Plus). Does anyone have suggestions were we might be able to watch it?

[Johny Cee]

SO, I'm COMPLETELY IGNORING THIS THREAD to avoid spoilers. The fiancee and I have only been able to watch up through the Christmas Special from last year. The second half of Season 7 does not seem to be streaming anywhere (including Prime or Hulu Plus). Does anyone have suggestions were we might be able to watch it?

If you wait a bit it will be on Prime.  They've had all the Nu-Who in reasonable times after airing, though that might be another six months.

[sickrubik]

SO, I'm COMPLETELY IGNORING THIS THREAD to avoid spoilers. The fiancee and I have only been able to watch up through the Christmas Special from last year. The second half of Season 7 does not seem to be streaming anywhere (including Prime or Hulu Plus). Does anyone have suggestions were we might be able to watch it?

If you wait a bit it will be on Prime.  They've had all the Nu-Who in reasonable times after airing, though that might be another six months.

The first episode from 7.2 aired on March 30. Prime/Hulu have had 7.1 for awhile, but 7.2 is languishing in getting up on either. Apparently in November they were available briefly on Hulu Plus by mistake but got yanked. In fact, when browsing Hulu Plus, it will list "14" next to Season 7, but when you click on it, only through the Christmas Episode is available.

[Lianka]

SO, I'm COMPLETELY IGNORING THIS THREAD to avoid spoilers. The fiancee and I have only been able to watch up through the Christmas Special from last year. The second half of Season 7 does not seem to be streaming anywhere (including Prime or Hulu Plus). Does anyone have suggestions were we might be able to watch it?

If you wait a bit it will be on Prime.  They've had all the Nu-Who in reasonable times after airing, though that might be another six months.

I see it on Amazon Instant Video right now, just not free..

[Ironwood]

Fuck it, I've paid for it with my TV Licence fee ;  you have my fucking permission to pirate that shite.

[Johny Cee]

SO, I'm COMPLETELY IGNORING THIS THREAD to avoid spoilers. The fiancee and I have only been able to watch up through the Christmas Special from last year. The second half of Season 7 does not seem to be streaming anywhere (including Prime or Hulu Plus). Does anyone have suggestions were we might be able to watch it?

If you wait a bit it will be on Prime.  They've had all the Nu-Who in reasonable times after airing, though that might be another six months.

I see it on Amazon Instant Video right now, just not free..

Prime will lag because it's free, but all the other Nu-Who seasons have been on within usually six months to a year after broadcast.  If you can wait, you don't have to pay.  The 50th was really expensive as well to purchase through Instant Video (~$5 rather than ~$2).

[sickrubik]

Prime is not free.

Fuck it, I've paid for it with my TV Licence fee ;  you have my fucking permission to pirate that shite.

Honestly, I wouldn't even know where to start with that these days.

[Samwise]

Finally watched this.  I enjoyed how the one guy made fun of stupid shit the current Doctor does, and at the same time I wanted to say JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE LAMPSHADING IT DOESN'T MAKE IT OKAY, MOFFAT.

[Ironwood]

Yeah, but that's why he said it.  It was a great big 'I KNOW WHAT I DO, FUCK YOU IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM I'M STEVEN MOFFAT  I INVENTED THE BBC.'

Which will be hilarious when he gets kicked to the curb.

[Simond]

I wouldn't be surprised if he walks at the end of the next series - he would have basically done everything he wanted to do by that point (turn the Doctor back into a mysterious meddler, brought back Gallifrey, fixed the regeneration limit).

And then people can move on to blaming everything on the new guy and saying "Moffat wasn't so bad".

[HaemishM]

And then people can move on to blaming everything on the new guy and saying "Moffat wasn't so bad".

You paint the picture of a horrible future.

[Ironwood]

I wouldn't be surprised if he walks at the end of the next series - he would have basically done everything he wanted to do by that point (turn the Doctor back into a mysterious meddler, brought back Gallifrey, fixed the regeneration limit).

And then people can move on to blaming everything on the new guy and saying "Moffat wasn't so bad".

None of those things are true.

[Surlyboi]

I'm Rick James Steven Moffat, bitch!

Fuck yo' TARDIS!

[Furiously]

Matt Smith leaving without ever having had a full season of worthwhile scripts is a goddamn shame. He did a spectacular job with complete and utter nothing to work with. He (and the hotness that was Amy Pond and is Clara) were the only reasons I kept watching through the Moffatry.

She is cute as a button... I thought the Vincent van Gogh episode might have been one of the best Who endings ever.

[JWIV]

A friend of mine did some prints of a personal project he did and I grabbed one off of him and framed it. I'm really sorta in love with it.

[Setanta]

Finally watched DoTD. It was worth the money I paid for the DVD but I can't see myself watching it again. The script was servicable, Tennant was The Doctor, Smith did a fine job too as did Hurt. The eye-candy was... eye candy but the re-writing of The Time War left me cold. Fuck it, that's what made Ecclestone's version of The Doctor so enjoyable to watch in a sea of mediocre effects and (some) average scripts, the unspoken rage at what he had done.

Things I would like to have seen:
Jack Harkness (because awesome)
Not Billie Piper. I get that they used her as a different character but it felt like a sop to the fans. I loved Rose as a character but that wasn't enough to bring her back.
Less Tom Baker. It was good to see him but the subtlety became a sledge hammer.
A tiny bit more of the earlier Doctors - it was great to see some of the earliest there but more would have been good given stand ins/CGI.

Which the closing credits reminded me that that I've been watching the show since Jon Pertwee was The Doctor and how upset I was when he regenerated into Tom Baker. Amazing how first impressions can go astray. I also remembered going to the movies to see re-runs of Peter Cushing as The Doctor 

[Simond]

A friend of mine did some prints of a personal project he did and I grabbed one off of him and framed it. I'm really sorta in love with it.

What, no Capaldi? 

Finally watched DoTD. It was worth the money I paid for the DVD but I can't see myself watching it again. The script was servicable, Tennant was The Doctor, Smith did a fine job too as did Hurt. The eye-candy was... eye candy but the re-writing of The Time War left me cold. Fuck it, that's what made Ecclestone's version of The Doctor so enjoyable to watch in a sea of mediocre effects and (some) average scripts, the unspoken rage at what he had done.

Things I would like to have seen:
Jack Harkness (because awesome)
Not Billie Piper. I get that they used her as a different character but it felt like a sop to the fans. I loved Rose as a character but that wasn't enough to bring her back.
Less Tom Baker. It was good to see him but the subtlety became a sledge hammer.
A tiny bit more of the earlier Doctors - it was great to see some of the earliest there but more would have been good given stand ins/CGI.

Which the closing credits reminded me that that I've been watching the show since Jon Pertwee was The Doctor and how upset I was when he regenerated into Tom Baker. Amazing how first impressions can go astray. I also remembered going to the movies to see re-runs of Peter Cushing as The Doctor 

You're old  

(I remember Tom Baker regenerating into Peter Davison)

[Ironwood]

Oh For Fucks Sake Moffat.  You have a problem.  Get help.

[Merusk]

Well now I can't wait to watch it.

[rattran]

No matter how low my expectations, Moffat comes in under them.

[JWIV]

Excited to see what Capaldi can do, but that was a shit show of a Christmas episode.

[Merusk]

What a completely underwhelming and awful way of resolving the regen problem.  I expected little and got less.