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Reply #1120 on: October 21, 2012, 11:54:36 AM

You are right, which makes the "problem" even more idiotic.
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Reply #1121 on: October 21, 2012, 05:21:38 PM

"Fixed point in time" works if you want an all-purpose explanation as to why the Doctor can't just go back in time and try again whenever anyone dies or is hurt. It works because the audience instinctively understands that it would ruin the story if he could do that - there could never be any threat, nobody could be in any real danger - so they'll accept any silly maguffin you like and let you get on with telling your story. But you have a problem when these arbitrary rules become a major plot point and viewers are encouraged to think about them in detail.
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Reply #1122 on: October 22, 2012, 12:04:14 AM

Stupid thing is that they had a perfectly good plot device to circumvent this already. The Doctor's Tardis was broken because he stole it and he was unable to control it accurately enough to go back and fix specific mistakes, deaths, events, etc.

I've forgotten how & why they wrote themselves out of that handy explanation.

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Reply #1123 on: October 22, 2012, 03:36:05 AM

It's never been clear how much the Doctor was telling the truth about his inability to control the Tardis--and in "The Doctor's Wife", the Tardis itself suggests that it's always taken him where he needs to be. Some of Sylvester McCoy's episodes suggested similarly that the Tardis isn't so much broken as much as it only goes where the Doctor is needed, and the thinking behind those episodes had some influence on nuWho as well. Even old Who episodes suggested that there are things even a fully functional Tardis can't do/shouldn't do, though it was never clear whether that was because of rules set down by the Time Lords or something inherent in the nature of time.
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Reply #1124 on: October 22, 2012, 04:08:53 AM

Over time the position has changed from 'This TARDIS was a wreck that he barely kept together with baling wire and spit that worked just as reliably' to 'This TARDIS is actually the living embodiment of a God and it'll do what it fucking likes, Thank You Very Much'.

This culminated, I'd agree, with Rose breaking it open and then it turning into a woman.

Also, the RTD recreation has it being very....plot devicey.

(While we're talking about the TARDIS, the favourite moment for me was when the Masters TARDIS was inside the Doctors TARDIS which was inside the Masters TARDIS.  That one fucked with my head more than Chameleon or Melkor BEING a TARDIS.)

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Reply #1125 on: October 22, 2012, 05:24:24 AM

How do you remember that stuff?  You're like a memory thingy.  I need memory drugs.  I can't stop saying memory.   ACK!

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Reply #1126 on: October 22, 2012, 05:46:12 AM

I used to be a big Dr Who fan.

I don't watch it anymore.

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Reply #1127 on: October 22, 2012, 05:52:37 AM

Best Tardis moment for my money: At the end of Episode 1 of The Mind Robber. I won't spoil it as you can probably find it on YouTube or elsewhere. A fantastic episode which is scarier than most of today's CGI-ridden episodes thanks to nothing more than some spooky noises. The final scene also has a memorable shot of Wendy Padbury.
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Reply #1128 on: October 22, 2012, 06:34:41 AM

Is that the 'clung to the console' shot ?

She really was a pretty lassie.

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Reply #1129 on: October 22, 2012, 09:41:12 AM

Stupid thing is that they had a perfectly good plot device to circumvent this already.

They didn't even really need to kill Amy and Rory off in order to provide their exit. The whole goddamn season had been setting up the fatigue the two of them had with being companions. They could just as easily have said "Yep, we're done!" with the usual tearful farewell. Fuck, Martha Jones did it. The whole thing was just unnecessary, not to mention being braindead stupid.

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Reply #1130 on: October 22, 2012, 10:28:17 AM

I get why he felt he needed to do it that way.  While they'd had plenty of lead-up to fatigue they were such immature and short-sighted idiots they couldn't or wouldn't say no to the Doctor.  They'd be discussing, "Gee, this is nice. We're getting in to a routine here, normal lives" and then *blammo* "Well, ok, once more."

It was a weakness on the writer written into the characters themselves.

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Reply #1131 on: October 22, 2012, 08:42:19 PM

I think there are even better plot contrivances than the timey-wimey stuff that we got here. I still like something along the lines of "The Weeping Angels put a temporal poison in you: you can't time travel any more or even get close to the Tardis or you die." You get all the same emotional stuff and you don't have to sit there and wonder why the Doctor doesn't just send a note for them to come to Wyoming in 1942.

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Reply #1132 on: October 22, 2012, 09:19:30 PM

I think there are even better plot contrivances than the timey-wimey stuff that we got here. I still like something along the lines of "The Weeping Angels put a temporal poison in you: you can't time travel any more or even get close to the Tardis or you die." You get all the same emotional stuff and you don't have to sit there and wonder why the Doctor doesn't just send a note for them to come to Wyoming in 1942.



I hate that less than fixed points in time and has some sort of precedent (I remember something about time traveler pixie dust rubbing off Rose and healing a Dalek or something). God I NERDRAGE so hard just thinking about that. Maybe now would be a good point to just jump off.
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Reply #1133 on: October 23, 2012, 01:04:08 AM

I think there are even better plot contrivances than the timey-wimey stuff that we got here. I still like something along the lines of "The Weeping Angels put a temporal poison in you: you can't time travel any more or even get close to the Tardis or you die." You get all the same emotional stuff and you don't have to sit there and wonder why the Doctor doesn't just send a note for them to come to Wyoming in 1942.

There are plot-holes so large in the script that you can drive a truck sized Tardis through it. When things are so bollocks, in this circumstance - the producers are either so sloppy as to push out badly thought out rubbish (screw the viewers that can actually think logically); or its just leaving themselves a plausible back door in case they want the Ponds back (the new girl not working out).

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Reply #1134 on: October 25, 2012, 04:39:58 PM

I'm still at a loss as to how Rory died at all, considering he was, you know, plastic.

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Reply #1135 on: October 26, 2012, 01:55:01 AM

Is he ?

I thought Amy Ponds Mind Reinvented him when She Recreated the Universe so that The Doctor Wouldn't Die when She Wished Really Hard on a Tinkerbell Dalek to get him to Come to her Wedding.


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Reply #1136 on: October 26, 2012, 09:05:34 AM

Is he ?

I thought Amy Ponds Mind Reinvented him when She Recreated the Universe so that The Doctor Wouldn't Die when She Wished Really Hard on a Tinkerbell Dalek to get him to Come to her Wedding.

Yeah. That was the point where I knew it was beyond redemption, and I'm just watching now in the hopes they'll get someone who actually likes the Doctor to write it eventually.

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Reply #1137 on: October 26, 2012, 03:57:05 PM

Universe reinvented, he is flesh now.
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Reply #1138 on: December 19, 2012, 11:47:21 PM

Spoilered just in case, but picture of the new TARDIS interior.

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Reply #1139 on: December 20, 2012, 01:24:02 AM

I don't hate that.

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Reply #1140 on: December 20, 2012, 01:19:52 PM

Less steampunky. Feels rather 1960s-70s in a decent way.
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Reply #1141 on: December 20, 2012, 02:15:36 PM

It's got a retro sci-fi feel to me, less organic looking then the last.
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Reply #1142 on: December 26, 2012, 03:08:52 PM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2253195/Doctor-Who-Royal-Mail-marks-50th-anniversary-First-Class-celebration.html

Fitting enough place to put this. Someone in England get on this - I need the set!

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Reply #1143 on: December 26, 2012, 04:48:32 PM

Xmas special was ok. Some good stuff, some not-so-good. I love the Sontaran and don't care that he got resurrected without explanation. I am utterly sick of women companions in love with the Doctor. That shit has got to stop, even if there's some kind of Moffaty twist coming. On the whole, I'd say Moffat needs to finish his run and hand it off to someone else--his schtick is getting paralyzingly predictable. 
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Reply #1144 on: December 26, 2012, 07:38:07 PM

Xmas special was ok. Some good stuff, some not-so-good. I love the Sontaran and don't care that he got resurrected without explanation. I am utterly sick of women companions in love with the Doctor. That shit has got to stop, even if there's some kind of Moffaty twist coming. On the whole, I'd say Moffat needs to finish his run and hand it off to someone else--his schtick is getting paralyzingly predictable. 

Need another Donna.

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Reply #1145 on: December 26, 2012, 07:41:16 PM

What are the rules for spoilers in this thread?

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Reply #1146 on: December 26, 2012, 10:54:02 PM


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Reply #1147 on: December 27, 2012, 01:24:22 PM

Only watched half of the Christmas special so far. Snowmen look fucking retarded. Sherlock Holmes being a dinosaur lady and a married lesbian makes no sense, since I think the Doctor has talked about working with the real Sherlock Holmes (THE HE SHERLOCK HOLMES) before. New companion is so smoking hot it's not even funny.

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Reply #1148 on: December 27, 2012, 10:52:35 PM

She was hot as a Dalek as well, so I was looking forward to seeing her in an extended role. I also extremely liked the Sontaran (was that the Sontaran nurse?). The Sherlock Holmes thing I can overlook, I just pretend he meant her when he talked about working with the real Sherlock Holmes and just didn't want to spoil her gender then or spared himseld the longwinded explanation (yes, Sherlock Holmes was a lesbian Reptilian woman).

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Reply #1149 on: December 28, 2012, 06:51:39 AM

I thought it was a fun episode, I had totally forgotten where the woman came from, so that was cool. The Sontaran completely stole the episode, though, and needs to be the doctor's new companion. Or even second companion, the bit with the memory worm was awesome.
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Reply #1150 on: December 28, 2012, 08:07:01 PM

I generally enjoyed the whole episode, and I forgotten (as did the Doctor apparently) that Clara was the same hottie from the Dalek episode. I'm sure I'm going to ABSOLUTELY HATE the explanation for just who Clara is. It'll probably be like the Doctor's mother's horse or a piece of the Tardis's consciousness that broke off during that episode where she gained physical form and somehow keeps manifesting herself as the smokingiest hot chick in the goddamn universe or some such shit.

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Reply #1151 on: December 28, 2012, 08:25:32 PM

It's painfully obvious what Clara is, in a narrative sense: an inversion of the usual Companion dynamic of trying to keep them alive and grieving for their loss, because she's Kenny.  She'll die every episode.

She's an inversion of most of the rest of the Doctor/Companion dynamic, as well.  She doesn't need things explained to her that every viewer already knows, doesn't react in the usual ways, etc.  They really hung a lampshade on it with the 'It's smaller on the outside.' line.

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Reply #1152 on: December 28, 2012, 11:30:40 PM

I thought that was just there to Show her different mindset insofar that others would have said "Its Bigger on the inside"
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Reply #1153 on: December 29, 2012, 01:47:23 AM

It's painfully obvious what Clara is, in a narrative sense: Moffat Wanking.


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Reply #1154 on: December 29, 2012, 10:06:08 AM

I'm sure he's not the only one.  Rimshot

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