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on: September 10, 2008, 11:17:17 AM

http://www.giantrealm.com/gaming/more-ncsoft-layoffs

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Word on the street is that every team and department at NCSoft Austin except Tabula Rasa has been given the axe. No hard numbers yet, but let's be honest - we, well no, I saw this coming.

Lineage 2, axed. Has nearly 150,000 subcribers. That's five times more than Tabula Rasa.

Dungeon Runners seems to be safe at the moment, because they were already touched in bad places last time around.

Aion, axed. It wasn't even out yet.

Lineage 1, axed.

Most of localization, community, production and publishing that isn't under the TR banner will be looking for new jobs.

More later, I suppose. I'm in awe at the moment. How does a company rationalize keeping a game that has no chance of recovering? As someone else most eloquently put it, "It's just getting f*cking silly at this point."

Is this where I type "hilarity ensues"? As always, best of luck to all the people let go.

Oh, hey, a press release. While I was typing. A press release that says nothing of layoffs but talks about a new studio. I think a shark just jumped NCsoft. Disgusting.
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Reply #1 on: September 10, 2008, 11:20:25 AM

ouch.

I'm not understanding how they can continue to support the games they have going this route. Let alone all the ones supposedly coming for the PS3 deal.

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Reply #2 on: September 10, 2008, 11:21:39 AM

Your games belong to Korea.

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Reply #3 on: September 10, 2008, 11:38:36 AM

I wonder if they have debt problems, what with credit dissolving worldwide.  Scaling down spending fast might be the only option.  /shrug
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Reply #4 on: September 10, 2008, 11:58:07 AM

And I wanted to try Aion out. Boooo
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Reply #5 on: September 10, 2008, 12:00:02 PM

Tabula Rasa gets spared? Whose dick is Garriot sucking to keep this sinking turd afloat?

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Reply #6 on: September 10, 2008, 12:11:17 PM

Why don't they just close down already?
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Reply #7 on: September 10, 2008, 12:33:28 PM

And I wanted to try Aion out. Boooo

I saw that it required you to buy lots of healing and mana potions and wrote it off there. Pretty graphics and models + winged flight aside, it stunk of Korean game design just by taking one glance at the hotbar.

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Reply #8 on: September 10, 2008, 12:38:14 PM

I don't agree that Tab Ras has no chance of recovery. I think it's thin and hanging by a thread, but I've seen stranger recoveries in MMOG land.



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Reply #9 on: September 10, 2008, 12:46:09 PM

Aion, nooo!

Here's for pouring one out for Aion:


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Reply #10 on: September 10, 2008, 12:52:23 PM

Really, Aion too? So then NC's only hope is GW2, which they aren't even developing inhouse. They lost MUO and champions online, right?

How far they've fallen... all that lineage money squandered. Can't say I didn't see it coming.
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Reply #11 on: September 10, 2008, 12:58:44 PM

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Reply #12 on: September 10, 2008, 01:31:30 PM

People in North America play L2?  Why would you cut off a game that must cost next to nothing to maintain? 

Or were the recently departed working on a localized expansion?

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Reply #13 on: September 10, 2008, 01:46:52 PM

I'm curious as to where this will leave Lum and his crew.
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Reply #14 on: September 10, 2008, 01:53:04 PM

I'm curious as to where this will leave Lum and his crew.

That ship sailed a couple weeks ago, this is the second round.

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Reply #15 on: September 10, 2008, 01:53:34 PM

Didn't NCSoft run GW? Did they fire those people as well?

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
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Reply #16 on: September 10, 2008, 01:53:52 PM

I'm curious as to where this will leave Lum and his crew.

That ship sailed a couple weeks ago, this is the second round.

Gotcha, I missed that one.
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Reply #17 on: September 10, 2008, 01:54:18 PM

I'm curious as to where this will leave Lum and his crew.

Um, working somewhere else for the past month!
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Reply #18 on: September 10, 2008, 01:56:58 PM

Didn't NCSoft run GW? Did they fire those people as well?

ArenaNet is in Washington state, so far this has only been NCSoft Austin.

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Reply #19 on: September 10, 2008, 02:14:05 PM

This article is retardedly misleading, you make it sound like Aion, Lineage I, and Lineage II the games have been cancelled.  If anything was actually 'axed', it was probably just some NC Austin producers or pointless North American administration.

The Lineages are already made and done, and Aion is being developed in Korea so its not like NC Austin even has the power to cancel a game.
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Reply #20 on: September 10, 2008, 02:26:27 PM

I don't remember saying any games got canceled. Lemme take another look.
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Reply #21 on: September 10, 2008, 02:26:32 PM

Nope, didn't say that.

But hell, since reading is hard, I'll clarify.

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A quick update: I'm not saying these games are canceled. I'm saying much of the staff that was left on these titles, which may or may not have already been skeleton crews, have been let go.
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Reply #22 on: September 10, 2008, 02:33:00 PM

It looks like the austin studio is being closed entirely except for the crew maintaining TR, which they're keeping alive because... well, nobody really knows. Everybody left after the layoffs is being moved to seattle.
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Reply #23 on: September 10, 2008, 02:37:24 PM

Yup. But then, I had already reported that people would be moved to Arena.net and TR had a few months to get their shit together. It's a shame that I posted the final tally of firings that would be staggered over 3 months, but then, whatever. Jesus himself couldn't turn TR around.
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Reply #24 on: September 10, 2008, 02:47:57 PM

I'm guessing they realized that with 149,997 bots that left the three other legitimate paying players for L2. 

Well, its always sad to hear of folks losing jobs, especially when TR stays firm.  Lord British must have a secret vault of money hidden away in one of his secret passages.  Bummer. 
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Reply #25 on: September 10, 2008, 07:06:32 PM

Your games belong to Korea.

I think grind is too much ingrained in all levels of Asian culture and individualism is too prevelant in "western" world for games to mesh that well.

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Reply #26 on: September 11, 2008, 01:03:55 AM

Your games belong to Korea.

I think grind is too much ingrained in all levels of Asian culture and individualism is too prevelant in "western" world for games to mesh that well.

Didn't Lum already make a really long post a few months back demolishing this sort of overly reductionist bullshit?
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Reply #27 on: September 11, 2008, 02:01:34 AM

Ignore the man behind the curtain and keep your eyes on ... NCsoft West!

I've only skimmed this thread - don't have time to actually read it - but thought this was interesting.

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Reply #28 on: September 11, 2008, 04:09:41 AM

Lord British must have a secret vault of money hidden away in one of his secret passages.  Bummer. 

That's the insurance money he got when he was killed, back in 1997.

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Reply #29 on: September 11, 2008, 06:44:59 AM

Hello I play Tabula Rasa.
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Reply #30 on: September 11, 2008, 06:59:12 AM

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Reply #31 on: September 11, 2008, 07:52:59 AM

Hello I play Tabula Rasa.

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Reply #32 on: September 11, 2008, 08:27:58 AM

Didn't Lum already make a really long post a few months back demolishing this sort of overly reductionist bullshit?

Probably, but a simpler response is to simply point out that the most successful MMO in Asia is World of Warcraft.
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Reply #33 on: September 11, 2008, 09:29:31 AM

Well that's difficult to prove, given the PC bang playstyle and popularity of free to play MMOs. Yulgang has 60 million registered users, but who knows how many actually play? Habbo hotel has >100m, that crazy chinese ZT online game has ~8m actual subscribers, and so on. WoW doesn't clearly dominate in asia like it does here. I generally qualify everything with "but I don't count Asia, because they're incredibly weird".
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Reply #34 on: September 11, 2008, 09:39:25 AM

I'm curious as to where this will leave Lum and his crew.

Um, working somewhere else for the past month!

So you indeed brought your "crew", then.  I don't believe I met your "crew" when I was in Austin.  Perhaps they are more of an "entourage"?  Do you have a photobucket for them?

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