Heroes

[Samwise]

Reap what you saw my friends.

 

[DLRiley]

If the beginning was trash and you continue to watch it anyway...4 seasons later it will still be trash.

[Samprimary]

Reap what you saw my friends.

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[Bunk]

Reap what you saw my friends.

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He's telling us to become lumberjacks and go harvest trees?

If the beginning was trash and you continue to watch it anyway...4 seasons later it will still be trash.

There are many shows out there that have disproven this theory, as it often takes a season for a show to find it's groove. Also, you seem to have missed the fact that most of the people here loved the first season and felt that the show started to suffer later.

[Cyrrex]

First season of Heroes was really, really good in my opinion. 

I am okay with Season 4 so far.  The writing seems to be improving. 

[DLRiley]

Reap what you saw my friends.

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He's telling us to become lumberjacks and go harvest trees?

If the beginning was trash and you continue to watch it anyway...4 seasons later it will still be trash.

There are many shows out there that have disproven this theory, as it often takes a season for a show to find it's groove. Also, you seem to have missed the fact that most of the people here loved the first season and felt that the show started to suffer later.

Which is why the show just won't go away. It basically has a license to suck, thanks fans.

[kaid]

OMG I cannot watch any part with parkman in it now the whole sylar thing and the parkman backsliding into being a useless idiot has I think killed this show for me. If they do not resolve that issue and or kill parkman next week I doubt I will watch this show any more.

[Cyrrex]

Reap what you saw my friends.

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He's telling us to become lumberjacks and go harvest trees?

If the beginning was trash and you continue to watch it anyway...4 seasons later it will still be trash.

There are many shows out there that have disproven this theory, as it often takes a season for a show to find it's groove. Also, you seem to have missed the fact that most of the people here loved the first season and felt that the show started to suffer later.

Which is why the show just won't go away. It basically has a license to suck, thanks fans.

Or you could, you know, just ignore it and stay out of the thread.  But then it just wouldn't be you, would it?

[Samprimary]

Which is why the show just won't go away. It basically has a license to suck, thanks fans.

I may be wasting my time with this, but here's why you're wrong. The reason why the show descended into sucking had to do with creative interest control rather than anything the fans did. Each season after 1 has been sold on the promise of reform and potential for viewership recovery, not fans piling on in spite of the show's marked decline into utter stupidity. The surest evidence of this is the correlation between last season's closer and this season's precipitous decline in opening viewership.

What has killed Heroes overall was that Kring and the content managers expected that they were really on to something with the whole 'comic book angle' and decided that the best thing to do would be to really turn over the direction of the show to the 'comic book world.' Unfortunately, comic books are a juvenile and quality-inconsistent medium whose end product is nominally loaded with plot holes, absurdity, inconsistent motives, and shallow characters that simply can't fly with a TV audience. And the writers they filled in the control gaps with were superb examples of exactly this and why comic book writing can't expand the hugely contracted industry beyond a small, acculturated audience.

Heroes failed as a 'comic book show,' it could have succeeded as a 'show that deals with dilemmas and realities styled on comic book scenarios,' but Kring did not seem to realize this and botched up bad enough to last through a few more seasons.

The real reasons why the show is still around? Don't guess the fans first. Here are two much more important factors.

1. Kring's ability to sue for forgiveness and second/third/fourth chances with the executives very very very very well.
2. The general lack of suitable replacements. Network TV is in dire creative straits. In an age where Jay Leno goes primetime just to fill space, they aren't sure they've got new prospects to keep people interested in their network that will do any 'better' than heroes.

[DLRiley]

Heroes was always suppose to be the "superhero comic" show without the costumes since day one. The budget held them back mostly from going full comic book. And the writers could never push the show along that direction no matter how much they tried. It is understandable why Heroes is still on. When was the last time I watched NBC? Yeah that network needed something and if Heroes can guarantee viewership on a monday night no less then all the better right? The problem I have with fans is that they complain about problems with Heroes that existed since day one. Retarded Peter? Episode one has him jumping off a building. Claire story being uninteresting? Yeah girl who can't kill herself, weeee. Hiro being retarded? Do I have to name every instance? Ultimately the more interesting characters like Sylar, Bennit, and the Haitian became more parodies of their former selves as the show pushed on. But I can't really get mad at that. There was never much to their characters beyond the mystery surrounding them. At some point I have to wonder why wasn't this show axed after season 1? At least than it would force NBC to actually find something interesting.

[raydeen]

At some point I have to wonder why wasn't this show axed after season 1?

I'm still trying to figure out how you weren't banned after post 1. But here we are 907 later.

[DLRiley]

Hey I have no problem leaving your 12 man club.

[Azuredream]

OMG I cannot watch any part with parkman in it now the whole sylar thing and the parkman backsliding into being a useless idiot has I think killed this show for me. If they do not resolve that issue and or kill parkman next week I doubt I will watch this show any more.

Yeah, I enjoyed most of the scenes and where the season's headed so far except for those stupid scenes. Just get rid of Sylar for god's sake.

[Samwise]

Whatever happened to the goddamn Haitian?  Seems like he'd be the ideal way to wipe Sylar from Parkman's head.

[DLRiley]

The plot decided that he was still in Africa. Don't point out plot holes, we like to enjoy our crap television sank you. 

[Samprimary]

At some point I have to wonder why wasn't this show axed after season 1? At least than it would force NBC to actually find something interesting.

the answer literally appears in numbered format right above your post???

1. Kring's ability to sue for forgiveness and second/third/fourth chances with the executives very very very very well.
2. The general lack of suitable replacements. Network TV is in dire creative straits. In an age where Jay Leno goes primetime just to fill space, they aren't sure they've got new prospects to keep people interested in their network that will do any 'better' than heroes.

[Threash]

I've liked this season so far, even the Parkman storyline.  Also, no Mohinder siding with the bad guys just so he can use their lab.

[Tebonas]

We already saw the Haitian working with HRG this season. So now he is back from Africa. If Parkman would tell anybod,y the problem could instantly be solved.

Which makes Parkman all the more of a whiny insufferable bitch.

[HaemishM]

They've never figured out what they want to do with Parkman and it's really showing. His character flits from one bad whiny decision to another, but the biggest problem is the horrible plot device they used to keep both Nathan and Sylar on the show for this season. That one choice has fucked the storyline for Parkman, Nathan, Nathan's mom, HRG. Claire's story has gotten pretty annoying - how many episodes do we have to see her threatening HRG with banishment? But at least we get to see her in skimpy clothes.

I'm not sure where the carnie folks story is going, but that one is at least mildly interesting.

[Samwise]

But at least we get to see her in skimpy clothes.

Not to mention the palpable lesbian experimentation vibe between her and her new roommate.   

[DLRiley]

I can never complain about an arc about a girl who likes like Claire. She was also T&A for me so can't really call her annoying.

[HaemishM]

But at least we get to see her in skimpy clothes.

Not to mention the palpable lesbian experimentation vibe between her and her new roommate.   

YOU ARE CORRECT, SIR!     

[CmdrSlack]

But at least we get to see her in skimpy clothes.

Not to mention the palpable lesbian experimentation vibe between her and her new roommate.   

YOU ARE CORRECT, SIR!     

(even tho she's legal now)

[Lucas]

Yes, the lesbian spin-off between Claire and Gretchen is the highlight of the season so far. Keep it going.

[Cyrrex]

Speaking of  , I know I've seen that Gretchen girl as a young child acting in some...sitcom?  Anyone know of the top of their head?  Probably not worth googling.  Anyway, the fact that I remember her as some sweet, adorable little girl makes me feel like a bad person, because I, too, am enjoying the lesbian vibe.

[Nevermore]

Wow, it took hours and hours but I finally tracked her down!  

[Nerf]

Holy shit, thats the little girl from The Nanny? She turned out nice.

[Lakov_Sanite]

The thing is though, I just feel like they're going to shoehorn a shitty stalker subplot onto claire added to unrequited infatuation. The main girl just CANT be a lesbian but this creepy dyke will no doubt come in and be evilllllll. At least that's what i see coming.

Otherwise, a solid episode I thought.

Edit: I believe claire's friend is rather cute and could be a sweet love interest, im saying the writers are going to portray her as 'creepy dyke stalker' and this pisses me off.

[Jeff Kelly]

Holy shit, thats the little girl from The Nanny? She turned out nice.

Also Californication

[Bunk]

I have to admit, the direction the Clair plot went suprised me a little. It helps when you have a show where you can write in a random power to explain things, but still, they suprised me a liitle last night.

I think i may have enjoyed the episode soley based on lack of whiney Parkman though.

[Cyrrex]

It was okay.


I am finding that, in spite of it all, I still kind of enjoy the Sylar character.  Is Nathan now gone forever?

[Threash]

 Is Nathan now gone forever?

No way, he has to die at the end of every single season.  Its kinda his thing.

[Cyrrex]

Well yeah, but, he technically is dead already.  Hey, I know...maybe Sylar will decide that he wants to be Nathan.  Either that or Carnie guy will convince him that it's a good idea.

[Brogarn]

So I'm the only one who saw the Hayden lesbian kiss on a commercial and figured the show had finally jumped the shark?

[Boedha]

So I'm the only one who saw the Hayden lesbian kiss on a commercial and figured the show had finally jumped the shark?

It was actually not that disturbing/ gratuitous. In spite of my doubts about the previous season, I'm liking this season a lot more. I like the Peter story, I have hopes for the Hiro and the Claire story and the Carnie guys seem just interesting enough.  I have to agree though, a lack of whiny Parkman kind really ups the quality of this episode.