Heroes

[HaemishM]

Fucking Mohinder. Why? SERIOUSLY, WHY? I was rather enjoying episodes without his preachy whinging.

I liked the episode, but they keep going back to the retcon well, and it's starting to get old. After all, we've already seen Hiro fall in love with past Samurai chick, so pulling the candle for Charlie out of his ass feels a bit forced. And dammit, I WANT THE BADASS FUTURE HIRO WITH THE SWORD! I was looking forward to that character morphing into the more serious, badass Hiro, but they keep him at adolescent idiot savant stage. The Bennett almost affair felt forced, like they needed to shoehorn something else from the past in there rather than confuse people by going back and forth between the present and the future.

But fuck, Mohinder? WHY??

[NowhereMan]

You're all overreacting. Maybe Carnie dude wants Hiro to save Mohinder so he can kill him more painfully having let him get off too light the first time. Give the writers some benefit of the doubt for knowing how their audience feels about the characters.

[voodoolily]

FFFFFFFF UUUUUUUUU

You dirty carnie fuck, it's not bad enough you kidnap charlie...and god help you if anything happens to her...but even WORSE you want to bring mohinder back to life?!

 




Solid episode though, enjoyed throughout.

 

[Samwise]

Oh please oh please let Sylar be dead for real this time.

Yeah, fat chance.

[ahoythematey]

He's not, they showed him in the preview for next week.  It has to be said: for being such a whiny bitch throughout the show, Parkman most definitely did not totally bitch out in this episode.  Strangely enough, I'm enjoying sylar alot this season, enough that I don't want him put into the mass grave with Parkman and mohinder.  If they keep the good to bad ratio the same, this will end up as the second best season.

[Cyrrex]

They really spoiled too much with the preview for next week.  Though we probably all could see it coming anyway.

I think much of the Parkman/Sylar dynamic has been pretty amusing.  I largely don't hate Parkman though.

[NowhereMan]

Parkman's worked better with Sylar in charge than he did running around arguing with Sylar. The Clair/Samuel thing felt really forced to me though. Why the hell does Bennett pull a gun on him after he saved them with the taser? Why the hell did he throw Claire on the ground? It felt like a very forced 'lets give Claire a reason to doubt her dad and instead consider the words of this weird guy she's never met before that seems to have dispatched a mentally unbalanced invisible girl to ruin her life'. Then again people doing weird stuff out of character just to advance the plot isn't exactly a new phenomenon.

[DLRiley]

Parkman's worked better with Sylar in charge than he did running around arguing with Sylar. The Clair/Samuel thing felt really forced to me though. Why the hell does Bennett pull a gun on him after he saved them with the taser? Why the hell did he throw Claire on the ground? It felt like a very forced 'lets give Claire a reason to doubt her dad and instead consider the words of this weird guy she's never met before that seems to have dispatched a mentally unbalanced invisible girl to ruin her life'. Then again people doing weird stuff out of character just to advance the plot isn't exactly a new phenomenon.

Same. Rethinking that part, it nearly killed the episode.

[Threash]

Yeah forcefully throwing your unkillable daughter to the ground to "protect her" seemed awfully forced and silly.

[kaid]

Fatherly reflex I would assume. You may logically know your daughter cannot be hurt but when reflexes kick in you likely would still behave as if she could so that did not bother me overly much.

[Cyrrex]

Just because she's invincible doesn't mean he wants to see her skull cracked open.  It was a perfectly logical reflex, particularly given how overprotective of her he is.

[Lakov_Sanite]

I can understand that much but what I hate was the predictability of making claire doubt where she belonged.  At first the episode makes us think that "hey we're gonna just use samuel to charm claire into joining the circus!" but then they actually debunk what would be an obvious and dull plotline by having claire trust her father and use some actual intelligence by just having the carnie waste time talking....only to go BACK to the dull plotline of having claire doubt her dad, for realz this time.

I think it was made worse because we were actually shown something that could have been interesting and then have it taken away for mediocrity.  However I did enjoy the rest of the episode, parkman actually showed some balls and I even liked peter being on ER because it's a nice little contained storyline that's not going too crazy.

[NowhereMan]

Oh it will. I'm waiting for us to find out Peter's powers don't restore life but transfer it somehow and he's actually draining it out of people around him or something crazy. Also the Claire thing could have been handled better if they'd just shown Noah being his old hard assed self while Samuel was trying to play the peace-maker or something, giving Claire a glimpse into the cold blooded killer he used to be. Instead he pulls a gun on a guy that just saved their asses and throws his daughter into the floor for seemingly no reason. Fuck a taser is a one shot weapon, what the hell was Samuel getting his hands on it and firing it then going to do to threaten them? You're right that having the suggestion that they weren't going to do the stupid followed by them doing it also made it worse.

[DLRiley]

Wait, one girl can turn invisible and doesn't have a gun and another guy can move the earth? Why in the world would you insist that your daughter "gets down"? That's the part that gets me and if the only reason i didn't cry bullshit right there is because 90% of the episode was below my outright that's bullshit meter.

[Merusk]

You don't have kids. Parenting makes you irrational.  It's like throwing your arm across your kid in the front seat in a stop-short situation. You know intellectually that  it will do jack shit to stop them from propelling through the window but you still do it.

[Hoax]

I don't usually read these threads but somebody has pointed out that the Carnival is the Brotherhood of Mutants and the guy is Magneto right?

[voodoolily]

I bet the life that gets drained when Peter heals is his own, and that we're gonna find out that "oh noes he's dying!" unless the deaf lady decides to don her jacket once more and save him. Not sure how her lame synesthesia can possibly help (ooh, I know, her tickling the ivories will make color waves more precise than a surgeon's blade!).

[Lakov_Sanite]

I osrt of like that they haven't explored the deaf womans power much at all.  With her it's more a personal story about her life, career and accepting herself and less about "oooh look, shiny power that can blow shit up" she has a power but it's not her story. Ditto on peter using his own life force but i think that's just a limiter on godlike healing so they don't deus ex everyone who's hurt.

Also yes, the evil carnival guy is magneto, powers are even close(i wonder if he could make rocks float or simply roll on the ground) which is funny enough setting bennett up to be prof X

[DLRiley]

Prof X with a gun   : :awesome_for_real:drill:

[Lakov_Sanite]

To expand, everything happening to bennett this season has been pushing him to look for a direction and purpose.  He wants to do right by people with powers it's clear but has no idea how.  Step in the carnie guy, isolating them and keeping them from society, teaching them humans are bad.  This is the perfect environment for bennett to become a mentor, to try to teach tolerance etc and while probably won't be building a school, they are definitrly pushing him into a leadership role to contrast the carnies

[DevilsAdvocate25]

Wait, one girl can turn invisible and doesn't have a gun and another guy can move the earth? Why in the world would you insist that your daughter "gets down"? That's the part that gets me and if the only reason i didn't cry bullshit right there is because 90% of the episode was below my outright that's bullshit meter.

I don't think he was pushing her down to make her safe, I think he pushed her down because she was blocking his line of fire. He knows she can't be hurt, but I assume he really doesn't want to shoot through her if he doesn't have to.

[Lakov_Sanite]

I'm not sure I like nathan being sylar's crutch however I am really liking the show.  I was however dissapointed it took until the end of the episode for hiro to get some balls and then he gets hit by the jamaican?(all carribean people have mind wiping) Though his comment about watson makes me think he's off to get ando back.

[NowhereMan]

I think Watson might have been the name of the cat(?). It was something a cockblock to see Hiro acting like he should and then getting insta-mindwiped, though I don't think that's what happened based on Samuel's reaction. I'm also rather disappointed Hiro when Hiro found out the guy's powers were based on those around him he didn't just teleport him to the middle of Australia and give him the choice between a lift back or not telling him where Charlie is. I am also suddenly really liking Noah again and the finale made me want to smack Claire right in the mouth.

Also the, "Wait where did tattoo lady go? I bet she's totally off time travelling with Hiro!" bit annoyed me. If you can time travel that doesn't mean you pop back in however long after you left that you spent in the past. You can pop right back to when you left and noone notices you were gone.

[Cyrrex]

Also the, "Wait where did tattoo lady go? I bet she's totally off time travelling with Hiro!" bit annoyed me. If you can time travel that doesn't mean you pop back in however long after you left that you spent in the past. You can pop right back to when you left and noone notices you were gone.

....assuming he's in control of it, which at present, he isn't entirely.  But that's just me reaching for straws, because you actually make a good point.

They need to figure out how to get Ando back into the story.

This is a very different season of Heroes, but I like it.  My wife seems to be far more interested in it too, and I have no idea what that says about it.

[Lakov_Sanite]

I think Watson might have been the name of the cat(?). It was something a cockblock to see Hiro acting like he should and then getting insta-mindwiped, though I don't think that's what happened based on Samuel's reaction. I'm also rather disappointed Hiro when Hiro found out the guy's powers were based on those around him he didn't just teleport him to the middle of Australia and give him the choice between a lift back or not telling him where Charlie is. I am also suddenly really liking Noah again and the finale made me want to smack Claire right in the mouth.

Also the, "Wait where did tattoo lady go? I bet she's totally off time travelling with Hiro!" bit annoyed me. If you can time travel that doesn't mean you pop back in however long after you left that you spent in the past. You can pop right back to when you left and noone notices you were gone.

I'm willing to say the time when the tattoo girl and hiro were off together and she was changing was the time that samuel asked where they had gone.  He's smart enough to realize that even if they are off alone for a couple minutes it might mean something.

[Lakov_Sanite]

   There's just too much stupidity on the parts of every character when it comes to samuel. Seriously, seriously? No sleazy carnie is that charming, that without almost any evidence people just follow him. Maybe if that was his super power or something...i mean i can understand it from some people but sylar and the nurse, really? These are level-headed adults...well not so much in sylars case but he's been shown to be incredibly smart and resistant to that kind of bullshit. 

[raydeen]

I liked the part where they played Emerson Lake and Palmer on the 8-Track. 

[Tebonas]

Character stupidity is the common nemesis of all Heroes since very early in the series. It might get worse, or the pause was long enough we forgot how stupid everybody is to suit the plot point of the week.

[Threash]

The only good parts in those two hours were Hiro saving caprica from the cylons and Sylars "i got your power, i don't really have to kill people i just like doing it".

[Lakov_Sanite]

The only good parts in those two hours were Hiro saving caprica from the cylons and Sylars "i got your power, i don't really have to kill people i just like doing it".

I honestly forgot that they said sylar could take powers without killing. I had assumed that was just ret-conned out. I sort of like it though, makes him being a bad guy more about actually being evil rather than some stupid hunger compulsion to open up skulls.

[Samwise]

I'm somewhat fuzzy on this, but I think Sylar can only "passively" acquire a power from people he's formed an emotional connection with.  The only other time we've seen him do this (I think) was when he was getting all chummy with Elle.  Given that he's a sociopath he probably finds it easier to do it the old-fashioned way most of the time.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Oh and I will say samuels use of his power against sylar was actually pretty awesome.

[voodoolily]

I liked the part where they played Emerson Lake and Palmer on the 8-Track. 

Me too! I have that one on vinyl. 

[HaemishM]

Have we really gotten to the crux of why Samuel is doing what he's doing... for a chick? To build a cabin in some secluded grove? It had nothing to do with "my people" so much as "my burning loins?" If that's the case, why did he need to be "more powerful" by gathering other specials? It was the healing retard that made the valley into a fertile grove, and that house didn't appear to require his special earth powers or ink blotting to build. His story has staggered from one justification to the next without any real sense.

And Hiro is now cured because Spirit Mommy came and kissed him on the forehead? REALLY? So that whole time we spent with Peter trying to get emo healer's powers was just padding out the season. Gotcha.

I realize that comic book superheroes are really male escapist fantasy soap operas with more emphasis on the HULK SMASH than the Johnny LOVE but Heroes worst problems have always been that it's spent so much time developing soap opera dramas without spending enough time on logical use of powers by any of the characters. I'll stick out this season I think, but it's starting to really lose my interest again.

[Samwise]

And Hiro is now cured because Spirit Mommy came and kissed him on the forehead? REALLY? So that whole time we spent with Peter trying to get emo healer's powers was just padding out the season. Gotcha.

This is one of my biggest problems with Heroes's plotlines.  Characters spend an inordinate amount of time trying to accomplish their goals by doing things that are ultimately completely ineffective.  I realize it's probably an intentional artistic choice or whatever but it makes it really hard to care about anything they're doing when it's likely that it's all going to be rendered moot in the last couple episodes of the season.