Random Greyhound Homicide

[Paelos]

The worst fights I've ever seen were when a small guy bugged out and beat the ever-loving shit out of someone with at least 6 inches and 50 pounds on them. The small dudes had to be pulled off before they killed the other guy. Hell, one of my friends went at somebody in his highschool with a bat, which subsequently got him expelled. People snap and it gets odd.

Also, telling people how they SHOULD have reacted in a crisis moment is supremely arrogant and myopic. From the cool clear logic behind the computer screen I'm sure it's easy to play armchair vigilante.

[HAMMER FRENZY]

This isn't even an issue of being a tough guy. This is an issue of what is right and wrong. Somewhere along the line, we got the bullshit idea that it was alright to stand by and let other people get hurt or hurt themselves. People are a lot more concerned themselves rather then standing up for what is right.

 So when we hear about people sitting outside of a bus while some piece of shit mutilates some innocent kid, assholes like miasma can justify it cause they are pretty sure they would have done the same thing  rather than dispense some good ol' vigilante justice, just like that whole bus full of pussies didn't have the balls to do.

When we hear about someone taking matter into their own hands, or hear that some people may feel that they themselves would be incapable of letting something like this happen while they are around, the weak and frail would rather talk shit then deal with the fact that they are too afraid to do the right thing.

I can be totally honest, I would be terrified to be in that situation, and I would fight it, but i would do something and I would do it cause it is right and cause it is obvious we can't count on anyone else to take care of business.

At the end of the day, that kid had to go home to his mom like that, killed while he slept and dismembered, and no one did anything to stop it. You have to ask yourself, what the fuck was up with that crazy bastard, but more over, what the fuck is up with society when we let pussies like this parade this kids head around and not have to pay for it.

Some people are more capable then others, and the less capable will always make up some excuse as to why being less capable, less willing and less brave, is right.

[Miasma]

The only internet tough guys here are smug people like you actually. You're the one comfortable with just talking shit, leaving it that, and not seeing that reality can extend beyond that. Find the courage in yourself to get over being a smartass, or you could actually end up being like these people on the bus one day, where you're schtick does not work.

I'm going to need to go out and buy a paper bag and some crazy glue to huff so that I can temporarily make myself retarded enough to understand what the fuck you're talking about.  There's some noise about how I'm supposed to be "smug" but then you make a crackhead leap to that being an internet tough guy instead of someone like you who threatens people over the internet from the safety of their hovel.  Then smartass taking courage, then I guess you thought I'd confront a murderer with snide comments I suppose.

I just need you to tell me what brand of glue you sniff so that I can buy it, huff it, and we can finally communicate on the same wavelength.

Edit: Typo.

[Miasma]

This isn't even an issue of being a tough guy. This is an issue of what is right and wrong. Somewhere along the line, we got the bullshit idea that it was alright to stand by and let other people get hurt or hurt themselves.

Well which is it HAMMER FRENZY?  Make up your mind.  First you say if this had happened anywhere other than Canada everyone would have teamed up and attacked this guy in harmony and then you say people where you are wouldn't have done anything either?

Are you with Stray right now huffing that same glue?

[Paelos]

I'm washing my hands of this one now, it's gone over the bad place of Internet Tough Guy calling the world a bunch of pussies.

Just go masturbate to Road House and save us all a lot of time.

[stray]

What we're saying is, some good soul could have at least prevented the "flurry" from getting too out of hand (possibly saving a life...because it's quite possible to survive many stab wounds, unless the culprit was some expert with anatomy), prevented the beheading, and at the very least, prevented the cannibalism (y'know, just for human decency's sake). When a person is getting hurt, then they need help. You're a goddamn disgrace if you think otherwise. I'd be scared too, but I'd still fucking do it.

[edit] Heh, I didn't threaten you Miasma. Not sure where you got that, but get over yourself.

[HAMMER FRENZY]

Paelos: This isn't a tough guy thing in the slightest. I am surprised that folks are just so comfortable with letting people do this to others. I REALLY think that 30+ people could have prevented this guy from doing such a horrible thing, and I really think it is this way cause we are so damn fine, as a society, with not doing anything when shit like this happens.

Miasma: It is exactly what I said, in Canada, and places that don't have shit like this happen, or are not exposed to occasional violence, tend to freak out or run away when faced with this kind of situation. This shit happen in a subway in New York or a city bus in east L.A. I really feel that it would have been different.

[Miasma]

Miasma: It is exactly what I said, in Canada, and places that don't have shit like this happen, or are not exposed to occasional violence, tend to freak out or run away when faced with this kind of situation. This shit happen in a subway in New York or a city bus in east L.A. I really feel that it would have been different.

...

People who are accustomed to violence grow numb to it and care less.  You really want to use New York city, the place that gave us the Kitty Genovese murder as your example of how things would have gone better?  The birthplace of the quintessential example on the indifference to the fate of other people in modern times?

Jesus.

[schild]

Oh wow. You did not just compare the Genovese murder to a goddamn bus with people on it and a small dude with a knife. These situations could not have been less alike. Shit, 9/11 would've been a better example.

[Miasma]

I'm only comparing it in terms of people's indifference which I think is what HAMMER FRENZY is talking about, not the specific crimes.  The people in the Genovese case didn't even bother calling the police and yet he seems to think people from New York would have been lining up to take on a knife wielding maniac bare handed.

Edit:

[edit] Heh, I didn't threaten you Miasma. Not sure where you got that, but get over yourself.

I never said you threatend me Stray, I was referring to your past shenanigans.

[schild]

Depends on the neighborhood really, that's all it comes down to.

[HAMMER FRENZY]

Miasma: No. That one example is not in any way discriptive of the city as a whole. Although it is true that people can grow numb to this type of trash, having it happen right next to you, is a very different thing. This all really seems like you are defending this numb, weak, type of reaction to this kind of crap, and I just can't share your view on this.

You might think that i am just a tough guy or I have a death wish, but I just don't think it is right. I was not raised like that. Whenever I saw stuff happen where people got out of hand, if people were able to do something, they did. And I really think that people could have done something in this situation.    

[stray]

I'm washing my hands of this one now, it's gone over the bad place of Internet Tough Guy calling the world a bunch of pussies.

Just go masturbate to Road House and save us all a lot of time.

Fuck it then. If that's how you think this thread is going, then I'll just take it to it's conclusion:

You are, in fact, pussies.

If you have to make such a big deal out of Hammer and I saying that the fact that not even one person out of 30 helped this guy is a disgrace, go so far as to say that this is "Roadhouse" behavior to point it out, then you probably wouldn't even do anything in an even more difficult situation. Which is sad to me. Sounds like you need to know what it feels like to even lay a hand on someone, if you're going to make that big of a deal out of this.

You are a pussy.

So much of a pussy that I will gladly introduce myself at an Austin Meetup, pay any of you a $100 to smack the shit out of me (without my retaliation), and even buy you not one, but a whole night of drinks afterwards. I swear, it will be worth it to me. Anything to get you to stop thinking in terms of the fucking internet.  

[schild]

Stray.

I'm up for that.

And don't let Hammer try to tell you otherwise. Also, I'll only take one solid punch. ^_^

edit: i need a job

[HAMMER FRENZY]

Stray: Love bubbles for you.

Schild: Man once all is okay on your end, it will be visit time.

Thread: I am about done. I really do feel that it is BS that no one did anything and it bothers me that so many people are okay with it.  On the Austin get together. I am down for some drunk fights.  StreetFighter fights that is!  Wait, no...Real fights too.

[stray]

Stray.

I'm up for that.

And don't let Hammer try to tell you otherwise. Also, I'll only take one solid punch. ^_^

edit: i need a job

Heh will do then.

You're a big guy, don't get me wrong, but I think I'll be a little more nervous if Merusk or Gulp take me up on that offer. Big guns on them boys. Haha

[Paelos]

I'm washing my hands of this one now, it's gone over the bad place of Internet Tough Guy calling the world a bunch of pussies.

Just go masturbate to Road House and save us all a lot of time.

Fuck it then. If that's how you think this thread is going, then I'll just take it to it's conclusion:

You are, in fact, pussies.

If you have to make such a big deal out of Hammer and I saying that the fact that not even one person out of 30 helped this guy is a disgrace, go so far as to say that this is "Roadhouse" behavior to point it out, then you probably wouldn't even do anything in an even more difficult situation. Which is sad to me. Sounds like you need to know what it feels like to even lay a hand on someone, if you're going to make that big of a deal out of this.

You are a pussy.

So much of a pussy that I will gladly introduce myself at an Austin Meetup, pay any of you a $100 to smack the shit out of me (without my retaliation), and even buy you not one, but a whole night of drinks afterwards. I swear, it will be worth it to me. Anything to get you to stop thinking in terms of the fucking internet.  

Well, I guess since we're done I'll say that yeah I'm not taking on an armed person with my bare hands. I'm a pussy. You caught me.

You do realize that everything you are purporting here is the exact opposite of anything an actual law enforcement person would suggest, right? Also, spend the $100 and let a hooker beat you up. You'll get more jollies out of it I think.  

[Rishathra]

Thread: I am about done. I really do feel that it is BS that no one did anything and it bothers me that so many people are okay with it.  On the Austin get together. I am down for some drunk fights.  StreetFighter fights that is!  Wait, no...Real fights too.

I don't think anyone is okay with what happened, Stray and HAMMER FRENZY.  I think what people are trying to say to you is that your very convincing Internet Tough Guy impressions are leading them to believe that you would have ultimately acted no differently in that situation.

[schild]

Heh will do then.

You're a big guy, don't get me wrong, but I think I'll be a little more nervous if Merusk or Gulp take me up on that offer. Big guns on them boys. Haha

I think Hammer Frenzy would pay to see me destroy something. I'm going to step back and just say that your offer, in light of dental work, would not end well. 

[climbjtree]

Kitty Genovese murder

I found this in the Kitty Genovese article: "In 1968, during a trip to a Buffalo, New York hospital for surgery (precipitated by a soup can he placed in his own rectum as a pretext to leave prison), Moseley overpowered a guard and beat him up to the point that his eyes were bloody. He then took a bat and swung it at the closest person to him and took five hostages, raping one of them before he was recaptured after a two-day manhunt."

I'd say that Winston Moseley is a pretty crazy mofo. I feel like the bus guy is on par with him.

[stray]

Thread: I am about done. I really do feel that it is BS that no one did anything and it bothers me that so many people are okay with it.  On the Austin get together. I am down for some drunk fights.  StreetFighter fights that is!  Wait, no...Real fights too.

I don't think anyone is okay with what happened, Stray and HAMMER FRENZY.  I think what people are trying to say to you is that your very convincing Internet Tough Guy impressions are leading them to believe that you would have ultimately acted no differently in that situation.

Really, I don't bullshit like that. I'm fucking stupid, y'see.

[Reg]

God save me from twentysomethings on the internet.

[schild]

God save me from twentysomethings on the internet.

If it weren't for twentysomethings and a few select thirtysomethings, the net would be even shittier than it is now.

[Reg]

You betcha.

[schild]

No need to be a dick about it Reg. It's just the reality of the situation. That age bracket made the internet you use easy to use and awesome. It's just how it is. Sorry if you don't like it. This entire generation is shit, other than our contribution to the net. But who am I to talk. I'm a 77 year old New York Jew who doesn't know how to use a computer but happens to run a website that you've logged 51 days, 6 hours, and 9 minutes on and have 1053 posts.

[HAMMER FRENZY]

I really don't know how me stating that I would be compelled to do something makes anyone think that I would engage in bare knuckle fisticuffs. I  stated that the reports and interviews explained that there were 3 people with weapons (improvised but quite capable of fucking shit up) and an armed MP that did nothing. That is BS. I am not saying I would grease up and UFC this guy. I am just saying I certainly wouldn't just stand there with my thumb up my ass.

Rishathra: Honestly, Me saying that I would do something is not a tough guy thing. Get your shit together. Had I said, I would have knocked him out, or jumped in blindly is one thing. Simply stating that I would do SOMETHING is me being honest. I really don't think I am capable of letting someone hurt someone else around me and I have proven that on many occasions. I personally think that helping people is the right thing to do, and although I would not have done something if the guy had a gun and I was alone, (I don't have a death wish) there was 30+ people, crowbars and adrenaline. I think i would have told the nagging voice in my head to shut the fuck up and put some time into concocting a plan which would result in broken bones and missing teeth for buddy boy.

Really some people need to put themselves into this situation, not just as a passenger, but a family member, or a friend. Were it a brother, friend, nephew, whatever, I think that anyone would be fucking wild with rage at the lack of action taken in defending this kid. It really is BS and there will be no justice at all. Lose, lose.   

I am surprised how quickly people label people on the interwebs, especially on a site like this, but some people are quite capable and/ or willing to do something they feel is right or just necessary. What one may think is reckless, irresponsible behavior, is selfless and heroic to someone else.

It is quite possible that people that have this kind of personality may like games, and god forbid, may like posting on forums. Schild, Big Gulp, are examples of people who are quite capable of whooping someones ass. Internet toughguys or capable people?

I am not trying to be tough, just honest. I am disgusted by the lack of action taken by the bus passengers, and I truly believe that I would have been quite willing to do something. call it whatever the hell you want.

 

[Rishathra]

I really don't know how me stating that I would be compelled to do something makes anyone think that I would engage in bare knuckle fisticuffs. I  stated that the reports and interviews explained that there were 3 people with weapons (improvised but quite capable of fucking shit up) and an armed MP that did nothing. That is BS. I am not saying I would grease up and UFC this guy. I am just saying I certainly wouldn't just stand there with my thumb up my ass.

Rishathra: Honestly, Me saying that I would do something is not a tough guy thing. Get your shit together. Had I said, I would have knocked him out, or jumped in blindly is one thing. Simply stating that I would do SOMETHING is me being honest. I really don't think I am capable of letting someone hurt someone else around me and I have proven that on many occasions. I personally think that helping people is the right thing to do, and although I would not have done something if the guy had a gun and I was alone, (I don't have a death wish) there was 30+ people, crowbars and adrenaline. I think i would have told the nagging voice in my head to shut the fuck up and put some time into concocting a plan which would result in broken bones and missing teeth for buddy boy.

Really some people need to put themselves into this situation, not just as a passenger, but a family member, or a friend. Were it a brother, friend, nephew, whatever, I think that anyone would be fucking wild with rage at the lack of action taken in defending this kid. It really is BS and there will be no justice at all. Lose, lose.   

I am surprised how quickly people label people on the interwebs, especially on a site like this, but some people are quite capable and/ or willing to do something they feel is right or just necessary. What one may think is reckless, irresponsible behavior, is selfless and heroic to someone else.

It is quite possible that people that have this kind of personality may like games, and god forbid, may like posting on forums. Schild, Big Gulp, are examples of people who are quite capable of whooping someones ass. Internet toughguys or capable people?

I am not trying to be tough, just honest. I am disgusted by the lack of action taken by the bus passengers, and I truly believe that I would have been quite willing to do something. call it whatever the hell you want.

 

My shit is just fine, thank you.  My previous post was not meant as an attack or disagreement of you.  I was merely clarifying a point the other side was making that you were misinterpreting as "hacking people up is okie dokie."  And whether or not your bad assery is genuine, when you talk about it on the internet, it has no way of coming across as anything other than ITG... unless you follow it up with pictures or videos.

That was not a request. 

[Signe]

I'm sure Schildy would never punch anyone.  He's an artist and needs to protect his hands.  Of course, if he were still tubby he could paint with his nose, I guess.  Like that elephant.  I wonder what a Swede would do in that situation?  Would he be more like a Mexican or a Canadian?  Or maybe a guitar player?  I'm sure I would have been able to get in a kick to the junk before the Chinese guy kung-fu'd me with his knife. 

Dammit.

[Trippy]

Unless you were sitting next to the guy and saw him draw the knife even if you were Chuck Norris and would've kicked his ass the victim would almost certainly be dead before you got to him. The fact that everybody else got off the bus safely and the guy was apprehended by the police is the best possible outcome assuming you couldn't have saved the victim. If you tried to be the "hero" there's a good chance you would be dead too.

I can't remember the video I was watching but it was interviewing various martial artists about what they would do if conforted with an attacker with a knife or a gun and demanded their wallet/valuables. A surprisingly large number said they would give them their wallets even if it was just a knife. The common explanation being that even with just a knife the attacker could get in a lucky slash/stab and it would be all over for the vicitim.

[stray]

I'm not a Swede, but I am a Dane - and a guitar player -- raised among Mexicans no less!

I'm sure Schild can throw a punch. Not your typical Jew. One of those Max Baer Jews I bet.

Also, you can't kung-fu with a knife.  

Also, that's racist to think he'd know it.  

[Reg]

No need to be a dick about it Reg. It's just the reality of the situation. That age bracket made the internet you use easy to use and awesome. It's just how it is. Sorry if you don't like it. This entire generation is shit, other than our contribution to the net. But who am I to talk. I'm a 77 year old New York Jew who doesn't know how to use a computer but happens to run a website that you've logged 51 days, 6 hours, and 9 minutes on and have 1053 posts.

I'll just roll my eyes and walk away now. But really. God save me from twenty somethings on the internet.

[stray]

God doesn't care.

I think that's the point of this story actually.

[squirrel]

It was the middle of the night. Most everyone (as the witnesses state, if you bother to read) was asleep. Aside from super-heros like Stray and Hammertime here, I doubt anyone could have saved the victim at all. He'd be dead before you could get out of your seat.

Stop being idiots.

EDIT: nm.

[stray]

Where did he first attack him? I mean, what part of the body? How do you know if he was going to die? Like I said, it's possible to survive multiple stab wounds. People have been known to survive dozens of wounds. Even worse. You never know how that can end. I mean hell, I could use personal examples: my mom got shot in the freakin' neck. She's still alive. My dad got stabbed a few times here in downtown San Antonio once -- and he still managed to walk away from that fight with the other guy in worse shape. Even getting some truly debilitating slices on people is harder that you would believe. I've had a meat cleaver slam right on my wrist (and I've indirectly showed the scar here in a pic once), and it didn't even get to the bone. It would have taken this guy quite a bit to actually behead a dude -- point being, there's no excuse to stand by and act like one didn't have time to prevent it. Lastly, if these people were in such a state that they were "sleeping", then how did they get up to flee? They should have been in good enough shape to take control.

If there were a bunch of kids, housewives, and geezers on board, y'know, I can understand -- but I don't buy that. Some of them were fucking pussies. Plain and simple. Like you guys! 

[Signe]

I couldn't fall asleep on a bus next to someone I don't know.  I'm sure I could get a quick nut kick in before he karate chopped me with his dagger. 

I've never been on a bus.