A Prescient Nintendo Quote And Relevant Commentary

[dusematic]

"This is the deep-dish, delicious irony endured by the Nintendo stalwart: to see their platform of choice ascendant, even as their bright God turns his face away."

Truth.  Fuck Nintendo, and fuck my life.

[Yegolev]

[WindupAtheist]

wat?

[dusematic]

The point being is that there was an army of mole people (myself among them) who desired nothing more than Nintendo to reclaim its throne of destiny.  These people have finally been vindicated, but it has been a pyrrhic victory.  I'm finished with Nintendo.  I guess I'll buy a PS3.  If nothing else I'll have a nice blue ray player. 

[Big Gulp]

wat?

Basically that Nintendo has abandoned their date who brought 'em to the dance.  They're focusing exclusively on the casual market and ignoring their traditional market.

I tend to think that when the Wii fad blows over this is going to bite them in the ass like no one's business because they're tossing away the loyalty of their hardcore in favor of a demographic that is inherently not comprised of gamers, and who are fickle to boot.

[dusematic]

I think they're fine for this generation.  What are they going to do for their next system?  This is one trick pony bullshit. 


But are you fucking kidding me?  I could name ten kickass game ideas for them to do off the top of my head without breaking a sweat.  This is fucking garbage.

[Big Gulp]

I think they're fine for this generation.  What are they going to do for their next system?  This is one trick pony bullshit. 

Yep, that's what I meant.  I give this generation (for Nintendo at least) two more years at most, considering that Nintendo started off at the gate looking long in the tooth.

But are you fucking kidding me?  I could name ten kickass game ideas for them to do off the top of my head without breaking a sweat.  This is fucking garbage.

Nintendo needed to implode as a hardware manufacturer and just go the Sega route.  Could you imagine Mario, Zelda, and Metroid on systems with actual decent hardware rather than a non-HD overclocked Gamecube?  It'd be fucking spectacular.

[dusematic]

Dude, all Nintendo had to do was announce "Mother 3" or "Kid Icarus" or one of a dozen other things to placate the internet nerds.  I guess I'm rooting for them to fail now.  Maybe then they'll start making new properties and I'll finally be able to play Mario on a PS4.

[schild]

Nintendo needed to implode as a hardware manufacturer and just go the Sega route.  Could you imagine Mario, Zelda, and Metroid on systems with actual decent hardware rather than a non-HD overclocked Gamecube?  It'd be fucking spectacular.

Been saying that since the N64 :(

[Yegolev]

In two years, Nintendo will offer new colors for the Wii and there will be a mad rush for Onyx and Cobalt, plus matching controllers.  Pokemon will remain on the DS.  18 months or so, we might see a non-tethered Nunchuck.

Nintendo doesn't have a reason to change anything.

[Trippy]

Nintendo needed to implode as a hardware manufacturer and just go the Sega route.  Could you imagine Mario, Zelda, and Metroid on systems with actual decent hardware rather than a non-HD overclocked Gamecube?  It'd be fucking spectacular.

Been saying that since the N64 :(

Fortunately for them they didn't listen to you guys.

[MahrinSkel]

The biggest problem has been that the hard-core game types that would most benefit from the Wiimote motion sensing, the sensitivity and precision of the Wiimote wasn't high enough to actually do, so no revolutionary FPS or lightsaber/sword games.  The new Motion-Plus addon should help with that, and Nintendo is saying future versions of the Wiimote may have that built in as a standard.

--Dave

[dusematic]

Doubtful.  They will say it's too "complicated" for their userbase.  Puke.

[Yegolev]

Nah, I'm sure they will make incremental improvements.  Miyamoto still has a little ambition left.  It will be nice to get a better Wiimote, my sofa is just a few inches too far to make it easy to use the pointer in older games.  Newer ones have better software handling of the pointer, and if the accelerometers are accurate enough, we will probably get a lightsaber game that wasn't developed by Grasshopper Manufacture.

[Fabricated]

Once Nintendo runs out of big flagship properties they haven't released games for on the Wii yet and the gaming media manages to pry their heads out of Nintendo's ass it'll be Gamecube 2. Well, if the Gamecube was explosively popular for its first year or two. They're sitting pretty regardless however as they've actually made a profit. Sony is in the hole, and Microsoft is double that in the hole.

[UnSub]

Once Nintendo runs out of big flagship properties they haven't released games for on the Wii yet and the gaming media manages to pry their heads out of Nintendo's ass it'll be Gamecube 2. Well, if the Gamecube was explosively popular for its first year or two. They're sitting pretty regardless however as they've actually made a profit. Sony is in the hole, and Microsoft is double that in the hole.

Xbox 360 is turning a profit.

PS3 lost about a billion dollars.

Wii is doing the best of all, but gets no respect. Not even from Nintendo.

[Sky]

And you pathetic fuckers dare to mock my pc gaming allegiance?

Loltendo.

[WindupAtheist]

http://nintendoe32008.ytmnd.com/

[Pennilenko]

And you pathetic fuckers dare to mock my pc gaming allegiance?

Loltendo.

I say release motion controllers for a PC, I got a sweet 40inch monitor that would rock with motion controllable games.

[Big Gulp]

And you pathetic fuckers dare to mock my pc gaming allegiance?

Loltendo.

I'd wager that damn near everyone here is a PC gamer.  We're just not so pathetic that we will only play on that platform.

I listen to a lot of podcasts at work, and PC Gamer is one of them.  The continuing wailing and gnashing of teeth from the diehards who produce that show about how the PC is circling the drain is perversely entertaining to me.

[Sky]

Ok, so I'm broke. 

[Big Gulp]

Ok, so I'm broke. 

Now that I can understand.  I just don't get the whole chip on the shoulder that a lot of PC gamers seem to have nowadays.  PC gaming is due for a major renaissance in the next few years, and shit like Steam is the way forward.  The PC is still the lab where funky gameplay and independent development can work without restraints.

On the other hand, some of the best, most polished gaming out there is on the consoles.  I'm of two mindsets when it comes to gaming.  For the most part, my strategy games and my shooters get played on the PC.  RPG's are a toss up, and action/music games get played on the console.  These platforms can coexist quite well with one another.

[Sky]

Right. Not really the thread for it, but that's where a lot of my recent griping about Bioware is coming from. With stuff like DA being announced for the 360, the core pc stuff from the golden age of pc is really getting hit in the shitter: Oblivion/Morrowind, KotOR/ME/DA, it seems the only people still interested in developing deep rpg for the pc are in Europe.

I'm not a fan of steam or online activation: see Flagship. I can still go grab my old games and play them without worrying whether the developer is still in business or not. I think steam is fine, as long as they do a stardock and allow you to get a copy of physical media, too. Me, I buy through amazon.

[Margalis]

Ha ha this thread is full of Geldons.

Once Nintendo runs out of big flagship properties they haven't released games for on the Wii yet and the gaming media manages to pry their heads out of Nintendo's ass it'll be Gamecube 2.

Keep telling yourself that.

[dusematic]

I never said that, I'm just quietly dreaming for their doom.

[Jain Zar]

I never said that, I'm just quietly dreaming for their doom.

Cant you do that for someone who deserves it like Sony or EA?

Fuck, they both have deserved it since 2000 or so. And only get worse as the years pass.

[Big Gulp]

Cant you do that for someone who deserves it like Sony or EA?

Fuck, they both have deserved it since 2000 or so. And only get worse as the years pass.

EA's changed it's tune since Riccitiello took the helm.  If anything, I'm more sympathetic to EA then I am to Activision these days.  I'm certainly more sympathetic to them than I am Nintendo.

[MahrinSkel]

Everything I hear from the inside indicates that EA is serious about its change of heart, that they've finally realized eating your young is not a sustainable business model.  At least as far as third-party/wholy owned developers go, their console sports franchises are still fueled by the bitter tears of recent CS graduates.

--Dave

[Fabricated]

Once Nintendo runs out of big flagship properties they haven't released games for on the Wii yet and the gaming media manages to pry their heads out of Nintendo's ass it'll be Gamecube 2. Well, if the Gamecube was explosively popular for its first year or two. They're sitting pretty regardless however as they've actually made a profit. Sony is in the hole, and Microsoft is double that in the hole.

Xbox 360 is turning a profit.

PS3 lost about a billion dollars.

Wii is doing the best of all, but gets no respect. Not even from Nintendo.

Microsoft's Gaming division is 7 billion in the hole IIRC.

[Ratman_tf]

I tend to think that when the Wii fad blows over this is going to bite them in the ass like no one's business because they're tossing away the loyalty of their hardcore in favor of a demographic that is inherently not comprised of gamers, and who are fickle to boot.

Nintendo can always fall back on their handhelds when/if the Wii bubble bursts.

Hell, I didn't think Pokemon would last as long as it has, who knows how long N can ride the Wii? (Fucking innuendo writes iteslf.  )

[Margalis]

There's no loyalty in gaming. Remember when Nintendo was awesome? Then Sega was awesome? Then Nintendo again? Then Sony? Then MS? Then Nintendo?

"What have you done for me lately" is how it works.

[MahrinSkel]

And people said I was mad, mad I tell you, when I predicted Nintendo would become number 1 and Sony might fall all the way to the bottom this generation.  Admittedly, I didn't expect the PS3 to lose out to the PS2 (which it does, even if you only count those sold since the PS3 launch).  They all laughed at me down at the institute, laughed!  Who's laughing now, bitches?

Sony and Microsoft fell in love with the idea of becoming the miracle set-top-box, people would websurf, email, watch premium TV shows, and occasionally play a game from their little trojan boxes, and eventually they would control all media, not just video games.  Sony was especially megalomaniacal about it, jumping 2 generations of technology with the Cell processor, instead of just one.

I think it says something when many of the most popular games on the consoles require custom hardware, and you're expected to patch your games.  Something along the lines of "I am now a crippled PC."

--Dave

[Musashi]

I really don't think Nintendo abandoned its audience.  I think it's former audience grew up.  Now it found a new one. 

[Azazel]

Everything I hear from the inside indicates that EA is serious about its change of heart, that they've finally realized eating your young is not a sustainable business model.  At least as far as third-party/wholy owned developers go, their console sports franchises are still fueled by the bitter tears of recent CS graduates.
--Dave

EA can go die in a 3-install-limit DRM-and-region-lockout fire.

[Ratman_tf]

I really don't think Nintendo abandoned its audience.  I think it's former audience grew up.  Now it found a new one. 

Didn't I link to this here already?

http://malstrom.50webs.com/birdman.html