Metal Gear Solid 4/Online

[squirrel]

Stoked. Waiting for bluetooth headset to finish charging.

Um - ok i'm out of touch, but can you pair a good BT Headset to the PS3 - never occurred to me to even try.

[Moaner]

I've put a couple hours into the MP now and I'm impressed.  I typically don't like console shooters online but this is great fun.  I especially like the bases mode.

I haven't touched the single player and won't until I'm done with MGS3.  I finished 2 for the first time last week and to my surprise enjoyed the hell out of it.  I didn't think I liked this series but guess I was wrong.

[schild]

You don't need to know about Metal Gear to enjoy the plot. That is, they have a character that exists solely to make sense of Kojima's madness.

Um - ok i'm out of touch, but can you pair a good BT Headset to the PS3 - never occurred to me to even try.

Yes.

I haven't touched the single player and won't until I'm done with MGS3.  I finished 2 for the first time last week and to my surprise enjoyed the hell out of it.  I didn't think I liked this series but guess I was wrong.

I'm glad I didn't play through MGS3. Well, past the first couple missions. MGS4 explains everything in 3 and makes sense of the entire series. I'd rather play MGS4 5 times than play all the originals.

[Morfiend]

I picked this up on a whim, and so far I am impressed with the production quality, but the actual gameplay is like "Hey I am Splinter Cell, without all the improvements". Granted I am only like an hour into the (or 15 minutes of gameplay  ). I am having trouble with the enemy spotting me from random places. Some times I seem very covered and the enemy spots me easily, other times they walk right past me when I am in the open. And chain knockdown sucks just as much in singleplayer games as it does in MMOs.

I love the cooking show on one of the channels at the beginning.

[Mrbloodworth]

Boo ya. Aweeeeeeeeeeeesome.

Who's playing? In-game name: schild

Stoked. Waiting for bluetooth headset to finish charging.

Pick up warhawk (box copy, not DD) and you get one for free with it.

[schild]

Boo ya. Aweeeeeeeeeeeesome.

Who's playing? In-game name: schild

Stoked. Waiting for bluetooth headset to finish charging.

Pick up warhawk (box copy, not DD) and you get one for free with it.

I picked up Warhawk when it came out, got it free, and then traded warhawk back in. But that headset sucks. It's just filler for now.

[Velorath]

Try playing it thx. The cutscenes are seamless with the gameplay. A lot of them slip right through eachother. And some of them play out in another frame while you're playing. Really, you're off your rocker this time. Either play it or STFU. I don't think I've ever said that here. But it's just that fucking good.

I predict we have this exact same conversation when FFXIII comes out also.

[schild]

Try playing it thx. The cutscenes are seamless with the gameplay. A lot of them slip right through eachother. And some of them play out in another frame while you're playing. Really, you're off your rocker this time. Either play it or STFU. I don't think I've ever said that here. But it's just that fucking good.

I predict we have this exact same conversation when FFXIII comes out also.

What, where I tell you to play MGS4 again and you still don't? Only if you're a hardhead 'not-liking-fun' dork. ^_^

[Velorath]

Try playing it thx. The cutscenes are seamless with the gameplay. A lot of them slip right through eachother. And some of them play out in another frame while you're playing. Really, you're off your rocker this time. Either play it or STFU. I don't think I've ever said that here. But it's just that fucking good.

I predict we have this exact same conversation when FFXIII comes out also.

What, where I tell you to play MGS4 again and you still don't? Only if you're a hardhead 'not-liking-fun' dork. ^_^

The conversation where you're ready to make sweet love to the game, whereas I think that any game that makes you put the controller down for more than 3 minutes at a time to watch the story is poorly designed crap in this day and age.

Edit:  If you can give me reasons to justify a PS3 purchase right now, I'd be more than happy to play MGS4 just to point out every point where I find the story intrusive.

[rk47]

ThePure said: "Overall I look down upon society and witness some hope spawning with games like MGS. Solid Snake is by far one of the best heroes in our generation, though it takes wise people to see this.In response to all the mice that crept out from the shadows of their overheating 360's to give a good ole' HAHA or LOL to the situation that an honest reviewer has given, I turn my cheek to you. Those who believe that one console will give you a satisfying experience are dull and boring, for everyone knows that you truly need every console to experience gaming.Oh and don't get me wrong, I have friends that believe that Halo and Gears of War are the best games/franchises ever, Yep one of them is unemployed and has knocked up his girlfriend like an idiot and is working a dead end job. The other lives with his parents and plays halo with kids that are 5 years younger than him for a career. I get it guys its kool to flame on forums, cause in essence, you have nothing else to live for, so by all means, find something to look up to, like marcus pheonix, or John 117, though remember in the end, that these characters are flawed, and have never been explored by their design teams, as they give us stories that amount to comic books i used to draw when i was in the 1st grade.With all of that out of the way, Its time for me to go experience Metal Gear 4, and keep all the lost children and men that find it necessary to wrap their heads around shoot em ups and guitar faking power trips in my prayers.Games are now art. Embrace it Or GET THE F OUT! P.S Snake forgives you guys too for having mothers that resemble his aged appearence."

 

[schild]

Creepy.

[Rasix]

Try playing it thx. The cutscenes are seamless with the gameplay. A lot of them slip right through eachother. And some of them play out in another frame while you're playing. Really, you're off your rocker this time. Either play it or STFU. I don't think I've ever said that here. But it's just that fucking good.

I predict we have this exact same conversation when FFXIII comes out also.

I didn't find FFXII's cut scenes that intrusive or overly long. However, who knows what direction they'll take the presentation on a new hardware platform?  Lost Odyssey was an example of bad, bad cutscene direction.

[schild]

Velorath, I can't fix you. I'm sorry. Keep not having available fun.

[Velorath]

Try playing it thx. The cutscenes are seamless with the gameplay. A lot of them slip right through eachother. And some of them play out in another frame while you're playing. Really, you're off your rocker this time. Either play it or STFU. I don't think I've ever said that here. But it's just that fucking good.

I predict we have this exact same conversation when FFXIII comes out also.

I didn't find FFXII's cut scenes that intrusive or overly long. However, who knows what direction they'll take the presentation on a new hardware platform?  Lost Odyssey was an example of bad, bad cutscene direction.

My problems with FF games (and most JRPGS) these days extends to the dialogue also.  Western style RPGS at least tend to give you dialogue options, and occasionaly allow you to choose between two different courses of action (Mass Effect had a number of spots where you could choose to deal with things peacefully or violently).  In other words, you're still interacting with the game in a way that Final Fantasy has never offered.

[rk47]

Will you help us?
Crono : Yes
           No <
Marle: How can you say that, Crono?! 
Crono: Yes <
          No
Marle: Alright, I knew you'd come through!

[schild]

I'm doing a no kill/alert run now.

[rk47]

hmmm is the stealth part really that well done? I don't have any experience with MGS series except for the very first one on PC. Is it even worth it to sneak around completely? Trailer showed Snake acting like a corpse, etc. You can do that in game?

[schild]

Yes, you can.

[NiX]

I think that any game that makes you put the controller down for more than 3 minutes at a time to watch the story is poorly designed crap in this day and age.

I could be arguing different view points here, but I think you need to look at it differently. MGS4 uses cutscenes* to establish vital moments and emotion within the game. I'm tired of playing games where they script out a rail scene that moves the story along because you can tell at which points they thought "How can we make this retard proof?" and it really detracts. If that's your thing, fine, but I've come to realize I can't play every second of a game and have it sustain a meaningful story or an interesting plot.

*Referring to rendered and in-game cutscenes.

[Velorath]

I think that any game that makes you put the controller down for more than 3 minutes at a time to watch the story is poorly designed crap in this day and age.

I could be arguing different view points here, but I think you need to look at it differently. MGS4 uses cutscenes* to establish vital moments and emotion within the game. I'm tired of playing games where they script out a rail scene that moves the story along because you can tell at which points they thought "How can we make this retard proof?" and it really detracts. If that's your thing, fine, but I've come to realize I can't play every second of a game and have it sustain a meaningful story or an interesting plot.

*Referring to rendered and in-game cutscenes.

I think there's a middle ground between what you're talking about with rail scenes, and games that overuse cutscenes.  Take something like GTA4 for instance (far from being the pinnacle of great stories though it may be).  They tend to keep the cutscenes short and then they help flesh out the character interaction by having dialogue taking place between the characters while you're driving from one place to another.  Mass Effect keeps you busy during character interactions by giving you that dialogue wheel to choose what you say.  There's ways to keep people interacting with the game in some form or another.  That's partly why a lot of developers started putting QTE's in games, although that's a mechanic that has a lot of room for improvement.

In the past, it was largely technical limitations that required cutscenes for telling stories.  Developers should be weaning themselves away from that on current and future generation consoles.

[schild]

You know what, it's not worth arguing.

Simply put, it's a piece of gaming history, a total fucking masterpiece, and you won't like it because you can't sit still. Which is weird because of the whole movie thing. Whatever. I'm not the one missing out.

In fact, I like it so much I'll say this: If you play it and hate it, you're doing it wrong.

[Velorath]

Simply put, it's a piece of gaming history, a total fucking masterpiece, and you won't like it because you can't sit still. Which is weird because of the whole movie thing.

I could explain the difference to you but I'm guessing that you already know what it is.

[schild]

Oh I do. And I still think you're crazy for not playing it because of cutscenes.

[Velorath]

Oh I do. And I still think you're crazy for not playing it because of cutscenes.

Tell Team Ico and David Jaffe to hurry up and get some games out on the PS3 so I can go ahead and buy one.  Then I'll rent MGS4 at some point in the future.

[schild]

Wait. I thought you had a PS3. What the fuck are you doing in this thread if you had no intention of generating interest from reading about MGS4? Just wondering.

[Velorath]

Wait. I thought you had a PS3. What the fuck are you doing in this thread if you had no intention of generating interest from reading about MGS4? Just wondering.

I think I've mentioned a half dozen times in this topic alone that I don't have one yet.  When Disgaea 3, LBP, and Resistance 2 hit later in the year, I might pick one up or if I come across a good deal on one somewhere.  I'm reading this thread just to see what peoples' reactions to the game/series is.  For me the series has always been frustrating (especially since Metal Gear is my all time favorite game on the NES), because I always got into the gameplay only to be constantly be pulled out of it by cyber ninjas. clones, and long conversations on the codec.

[schild]

The conversations on the code have video now, can be fast forwarded if you're reading a lot more than the person on them, and all that weird shit like Cyber Ninjas and such, well. That's part of Metal Gear. If you don't want that, go play COD4. The gameplay is such a cut above the previous ones though it might as well be a different game. So is the storytelling. Also, you can skip the codec stuff entirely.

[Velorath]

The conversations on the code have video now, can be fast forwarded if you're reading a lot more than the person on them, and all that weird shit like Cyber Ninjas and such, well. That's part of Metal Gear.

It wasn't as bad in MGS1 though.  MGS2 ramped that shit up to extreme levels.  I assumed they made MGS3 as a prequel because they had no fucking clue how they were going to wrap up the excessive amount of shitty characters and plot twists introduced in 2, which sadly got left for MGS4 to deal with.

[schild]

They wrapped them up like they knew what they were doing all along. It's pretty impressive. Maybe part of the problem is you played 1 and 2 whereas I just read some backstory before going into 4 because the controls in all the previous ones were shite.

[Moaner]

This series seems to bring out the hate like no other.  It's entertaining.  MGO is pure love though.  I can't get enough, played 6 hours or so yesterday.

I'm half way through 3 and fucking love it.  The controls are great!  At one point last night I was pushing 6 buttons in order to tranq someone in first person view while standing on my tip toes.  Wheee!  As stupid as the story is, I fucking love metal gear now

[schild]

Finish 3 so you can realize how much it sucks compared to 4. You're basically wasting your time though, 4 spends half an hour making 3 make sense.

[NiX]

Finish 3 so you can realize how much it sucks compared to 4. You're basically wasting your time though, 4 spends half an hour making 3 make sense.

Schild isn't kidding. Kojima went out of his way to make 4 the end all of MGS games.

Velorath - If you know someone who owns MGS4, you should see if they made saves every time the game asked. I didn't play the game, I just had my roomie play through all the cutscenes and important parts. It was worth the 2-3 hours.

[schild]

You should play the game. The datamining is really neat.

[Morfiend]

I still havent got very far, but I think Splinter Cell did stealth much better so far.

[schild]

If you haven't gotten a PS3 yet, this fall they're doing a Little Big Planet bundle with an 80GB. Sony Reps are telling Gamestops this week.