Diablo III Wild Speculation and Rumor Mongering Abounds

[MrHat]

Because it doesn't?

[Reg]

Start bitching about things like polish when the game is, you know, less than 2 years away?

I think it's good to talk about stuff like this now while the game is so far off that there's actually time to change it.

[MrHat]

It will be out in like 8 months guys.  Quit your bitching.

[eldaec]

Why does everyone on F13 who does not like Diablo feel to need to come the the thread for D3 gushing and hate?

Maybe someone can make a thread for people who don't like Diablo to talk about how much it sucks?

Hi, welcome to f13.

See also: every other subject.

[Signe]

I know.  Geez.  Having different threads for haters doesn't sound like fun at all!

[Mrbloodworth]

Why does everyone on F13 who LOVES Diablo feel to need to come the the thread for D3 gushing and LOVE?

Maybe someone can make a thread for people LOVES  Diablo to talk about how much they LOVE it?

Fixed it for you?


This is f13, we all have diffrent likes and dislikes, and that the point, to discuss them. I very rarely see outright "Hate" threads like on other sites. They are discussions, with some colorful language, but discussions none the less. Very rarely do people say something "sucks", with out reasons why, and with out a rebuttal furthering the discussion. This isn't an official forum!

EDIT: Also, when it comes out, everyone in this thread will play it. lol.

[Margalis]

Not me. Not touching it.

Seriously, maybe I am doing it wrong. I remember liking Diablo 1. Diablo 2 just felt...dull. At level 18 or so I can only access a handful of skills. I got up to near the end of act two and the number of enemies multiplied dramatically and the levels got bigger as well. In particular the floating concrete walkway mage area where you fight the summoner and read the book that tells you which tomb is the right one.

Set double attack to left click and click click click. Is that the whole game?

Part of it is that I hate click-to-move. Dodging projectiles with click-to-move just feels wrong to me. Also I hate talking to people and listening to the goofy overly-deliberate voice acting. Especially when I click away a second too early then have to listen to the whole speech again.

But again I do remember liking Diablo 1. Maybe if I went back I'd dislike it though.

[ahoythematey]

No, that's not the whole game.
Use the quest log if you don't care about the dialogue.
What other method of movement would you suggest for the fast-paced combat in an isometric viewpoint?
You don't like being able to control whether or not you can dodge attacks, Are You Serious?

[Trippy]

Im surprised that no one has commented on the way the Siege Breaker boss at the end of the gameplay movie BIT THE BARBARIAN'S FUCKING HEAD OFF when it killed him (and then punted his body around for kicks).

We did.

[Margalis]

What other method of movement would you suggest for the fast-paced combat in an isometric viewpoint?
You don't like being able to control whether or not you can dodge attacks, Are You Serious?

I like that you can dodge attacks, but click-to-move is a sucky way to do it. What would I prefer? How about push a direction to go in it? WASD for the win.

[Xanthippe]

Part of it is that I hate click-to-move.

Oh me too.  I loved Diablo 2 but click to move sucks. 

Is Diablo 3 click to move?

[Ratman_tf]

Part of it is that I hate click-to-move.

Oh me too.  I loved Diablo 2 but click to move sucks. 

Is Diablo 3 click to move?

WASD? I think that would be kinda clunky..

[tazelbain]

Ya, Diablo should go dual mouse.

[Lum]

I'd just like a build of D2 that doesn't look like complete ass on my widescreen monitor.

[MrHat]

Ya, Diablo should go dual mouse.

Haha.  Love it.



My buddy and I were talking, and he suggested that Blizzard will probably implement an 'acheivement' system ala 360/TF2/Steam for battle.net.  Makes perfect sense imo.  They already had something similar in the titles that you could get from defeating the game on different difficulties, Champion, Slayer, etc.

King of Bones: *Killed Twenty Thousand Skeletons
Bareback: *Defeated Diablo While Wearing no Armor

[MrHat]

What about classes?  Anyone think they'll deviate beyond Paladin/Rogue/Sorcy for the remaining three?


I thought more about the monk.  But they're not item dependent enough, sadly.

[schild]

Ya, Diablo should go dual mouse.

Oh. God. That would be so awesome.

Virtual On: Diablotorio Tangram.

[Merusk]

Why does everyone on F13 who does not like Diablo feel to need to come the the thread for D3 gushing and hate?

Maybe someone can make a thread for people who don't like Diablo to talk about how much it sucks?

Nobody's hatin'.  Margalis and I (who look to be the only "we don't get it." folks in here) seem share the same opinion.  Playing the game it felt like you only used 1-2 abilities and just click-click-clicked to infinity while going from place to place.

If "we're doing it wrong" I, at least, would like an education and some illumination as to what we're "doing wrong" and why you all find it so fascinating.  To me the game is more "catass 4 lootz" than any MMO-EVER but with more hassle because you have no fucking clue where to find said lootz.  It could be the 5th thing you kill or the 500 millionth.  Sorry, but I don't see the appeal. Educate me.

[MrHat]

I wonder how much money advertising on B.net costs/earns.

[ahoythematey]

It's the pinnacle of hack n' slash.  If that's not your thing then that's not your thing, but it's not as simplistic as you make it out to be, nor is it quite as random as you make it out to be.  There is some strategy to be had, particularly in building a hell-capable character, and though the game is dominated by random loot, that doesn't mean you are going to get windforce and azurewrath dropping off a quill rat in the cold plains, nor does it mean you are going to get nothing but cracked sashes dropping off Baal.

[Trippy]

Part of it is that I hate click-to-move.

Oh me too.  I loved Diablo 2 but click to move sucks. 

Is Diablo 3 click to move?

WASD? I think that would be kinda clunky..

WASD would suck beyond words. Go back and play the REs pre-4 or the older Onimushas for an example of how sucky it would be assuming Diablo had a pacing like 10x slower than it really does. I.e. the suckiness that is the RE-controls would be at least 10x worse in Diablo because of the speed of that game.

[Margalis]

When I said WASD I didn't mean A and D turn, I meant A moves left and D moves right. To me it would be so much more fun with direct control. Press the direction you want to move in and press a button to attack in the direction you are facing. You know, like Zelda or Landstalker or whatever. It would play somewhat differently for a variety of reasons, but I think I would vastly prefer it. Attacking an enemy by clicking on them just feels so wrong to me.

A and D to turn...yeah that would suck lol.

[Trippy]

Gamepad joystick/D-pad works for that sort of movement cause you can move diagonally. On a PC keyboard you are talking about having to use 1-9 on the numpad or QWEASDZXC and you would still need to use the mouse to target many of the special moves like the Barbarian's jump.

[Nija]

WASD would be awesome in a Zombie Shooter sense.

[MrHat]

You fuckers, talk more about Diablo 3.

Speculate damn you, I DEMANDS IT.

[FatuousTwat]

I played a ton of Diablo 2 in high-school, and I gotta say, I'm already re-developing a permanent kill-boner just thinking about D3.

[dusematic]

Im starting to rethink playing an Assassin.  I think I'm a Sorcerer/ Barbarian at heart.

[lamaros]

I liked D1. D2 was shit though. I want a roguelike. I make a charater and I go into a dungeon and kill shit. All this questing and world fighting and shitty shit I could give a shit about. I'm going to get a character and go down into the bowels of the earth and kill and nothing but.

D3 is going to be fucked up with WoW quest bullshit and lots of outdoor zones. Fuck that.

I'll still play it though.

[trias_e]

I liked D1. D2 was shit though. I want a roguelike. I make a charater and I go into a dungeon and kill shit. All this questing and world fighting and shitty shit I could give a shit about. I'm going to get a character and go down into the bowels of the earth and kill and nothing but.

D3 is going to be fucked up with WoW quest bullshit and lots of outdoor zones. Fuck that.

I'll still play it though.

I totally agree.  Well, except I wouldn't say D2 was shit.  But it lacks most of the charm that D1 had, and most of the outdoor areas were fucking annoying.  What they need to do is combine D2 or even TQ class/loot diversity with D1 game design.  Add shiny and a touch of respec.

[Brolan]

My boys and I reinstalled D2 last night and went at it.  Of course this after I had to recover their characters off of some old hard drives.

I played my old barbarian character like shit.  Had to learn how to play him all over again.  Was surprised to learn the mouse scroll button actually scrolled through the skills instead of having to use the F-keys.

Had a bunch of fun, my kids got tired of it before I did.  It brought back a bunch of old memories of playing all-night with 2-liter bottles of Pepsi and bags of Nacho Cheese Doritos lying around.

[Margalis]

I third the D1/D2 comments. The quests in D2 are lame, and all it really boils down to is doing dungeons in geographic order. And the outdoor areas are really annoying and pointless, basically I run around in them looking for the dungeon or the next zone. Every time I enter a new outdoor area I roll my eyes and bear down for the next silly easter-egg hunt.

It's just not the kind of game that needs an overworld map and different towns and such.

[UnSub]

On random thought - does Blizzard have something against free camera / PoV movement? First Starcraft 2 provides a mostly fixed perspective, now Diablo 3 does the same thing.

For any other company but Blizzard, people would be asking why they hadn't paid attention to the genre for the past 10 years.

[Shrike]

If you're only using two buttons in D2 you ARE doing it wrong. Moreover, you'll get schooled when you hit Act5 NM. Hard.

Just about any stupid thing will get you through normal. And yes, it's kinda dull, especially if you've been there before and you want more combat options and to get to the real loot, which starts to show up in NM. If you want to actually prosper in Hell difficulty, you have to be very dialed in on both build and playstyle. This doesn't even address level of play in hardcore or soloing in 8-player games (in hardcore). Of course, most in search of a trip down nostalgia lane won't care, but the game really didn't get interesting playwise until NM and Act2.

 I"ve had a retro blast the last couple of days taking my old 'zons back into one of the most difficult areas of the game (Act4 hell diff Chaos Sanctuary). Mowed down hordes of ravening enemies, took their shit, and walked the dog. These are very well equipped mid-80s characters, but it's still fun and brings back old memories. Like how old school lightning fury used to slow the screen to a crawl and get all my teammates killed in the CS. Or stumbling into triple boss pack LEBs in the Kurast temples...and beating their asses when your friends bought a farm in seconds. Or having a bowie get trapped on the stairs between two levels of hell with boss packs on both ends. Epic shootout with frantic decoy and valk positioning. Good times all.

Now D3...we simply don't know much and are just hoping for something that pushes all those old Diablo buttons. So far, consider my buttons pushed. Blizzard does this sort of fun very well. I can cope with control schemes as long as they work and are relatively intuitive. Dodge missles? Hell, I was a 'zon. I slowed them or used a decoy. Or dropped a valk on the offending missileers. Those are options. All classes had options. Some better than others, but you learned. That was fun. I think we'll see more of the same in D3 and that's a good thing.

[FatuousTwat]

On random thought - does Blizzard have something against free camera / PoV movement? First Starcraft 2 provides a mostly fixed perspective, now Diablo 3 does the same thing.

For any other company but Blizzard, people would be asking why they hadn't paid attention to the genre for the past 10 years.

Unless I'm forgetting something, everything is the genre has been shit since D2.

[Megrim]

On random thought - does Blizzard have something against free camera / PoV movement? First Starcraft 2 provides a mostly fixed perspective, now Diablo 3 does the same thing.

For any other company but Blizzard, people would be asking why they hadn't paid attention to the genre for the past 10 years.

Well, i for one don't really find it that necessary to have 3d camera in my rts. Honestly, i think i spend most of my time controlling my units and stuff rather than panning around to find the best view. For replays, sure, it might be nice to take screenshots and make movies or whatever, but in-game? As far as D3 is concerned, i'd think that they have to go with isometric - it's the whole Gauntlet isometric hack & slash thing.