AoC vs WAR vs ? - Biggest Launch Disappointment 2008

[Mrbloodworth]

i'm not disagreeing with anything your saying HaemishM. This is squarely on the shoulders of Funcom, and what it is they want for the game.

But me thinks, that they will be putting a stop to it soon, for fear of loosing customers. What is going on, and what is being allowed is not PvP.

Also: This AND This. AND This.

[Mrbloodworth]

PVP Jackasses are complaining about QQing and carebears are QQing?

Sky, blue, etc.

Playing on a PVE server in a PVP game. Sky, blue, etc.

AoC may be billed as a pvp game but it is not BUILT as a pvp game. When My necromancer cannot solo a single necromancer PET(the necro left me alone to go make tea or something) only 3 levels higher than me(36,39) something is flawed.  Everyone keeps saying AoC is this bastion of pvp goodness but it's more flawed than decidedly non-pvp games. I do not think aoc was designed to be a pvp game or at least, it was designed to be a pvp game made by people who really only know how to make pve.

I completely, 100% disagree.

[schild]

GMs should simply say, go play on a regular server, they have PVP too.

Frankly, QQ is for WoW and should be left there. I'm not supporting gankers, they're another can of worms. But rather, these are two flavors of pussy that don't mix.

[Mrbloodworth]

WTF is "QQ" anyway? 

[murdoc]

WTF is "QQ" anyway? 

 

[Mrbloodworth]

I figured it means crying, but what is the second Q for? "Qrying"?

[Montague]

I figured it means crying, but what is the second Q for? "Qrying"?

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q q

Two eyes with tears running down. Supposedly... I'm not much for this AOL bullshit.

[Mrbloodworth]

ooooooooooooooooooooo........



 

[Abelian75]

I'm not sure what's weirder, gankers or the people who willingly submit to having to deal with gankers and then get angry about it.

Basically, PvP server people are weird.

[Mrbloodworth]

I'm not sure what's weirder, gankers or the people who willingly submit to having to deal with gankers and then get angry about it.

Basically, PvP server people are weird.

Most people that roll PvP, are looking for Player VS. Player.

Not Player VS.       <loading>........

There are two P's in PvP, the second P is missing from activities such as:

• Loading
• Spawning

• Locked into NPC diolog

The above is not PvP, and thats all anyone, including the GM's are talking about.

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[Merusk]

I figured it means crying, but what is the second Q for? "Qrying"?

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Two eyes with tears running down. Supposedly... I'm not much for this AOL bullshit.

My understanding is it's originally from Starcraft.  It just entered the MMO realm via WoW thanks to Battle.net 'tards.\

Also:  "We know the game mechanics allow xyz.. but that's not nice and you should play ABC" was figured out in other games in 2001. You don't code shit and then decide that because you can't code right or don't have time to fix it that 'whoops unwritten rule here!' 

So funcom got the technical part but has completly screwed the pooge on the actual game management.  Fucking stellar.

[Mrbloodworth]

"Players will do what they can, if they can, when they can and when they want to"

[palmer_eldritch]

PVP Jackasses are complaining about QQing and carebears are QQing?

Sky, blue, etc.

Playing on a PVE server in a PVP game. Sky, blue, etc.

AoC may be billed as a pvp game but it is not BUILT as a pvp game. When My necromancer cannot solo a single necromancer PET(the necro left me alone to go make tea or something) only 3 levels higher than me(36,39) something is flawed.  Everyone keeps saying AoC is this bastion of pvp goodness but it's more flawed than decidedly non-pvp games. I do not think aoc was designed to be a pvp game or at least, it was designed to be a pvp game made by people who really only know how to make pve.

I completely, 100% disagree.

It wasn't billed as a PvP game. It was billed as a mixed game, with PvE questing and PvP battles in the border kingdom, as well as little mini-games like bar-room brawls and capture the flag.

This is why the PvP servers have no real rules or PvP features other than simply turning PvP on, so that anyone can kill anyone almost anywhere. Free for all PvP has never been a priority for Funcom. They always talked about a game where people took part in exciting mass battles against other players if they chose to take part in the border kingdom stuff, not a game where you could be attacked while doing your quests in any part of the world.

[Lightstalker]

Its killing players while they are talking to an NPC, spawn and load ganking people is what the GM's don't like.

Seems like that was a very nice "Could you cut it out please", that the players flipped out about.

But i guess his name was red/purple, so like.......yeah. Lets flip out about it.

You can't have it both ways. You either have open FFA PvP or you do not. Funcom is making the classic mistake that goes back to even way before EQ1's "play nice policy". You either control what the players can do at the systemic level or you truly believe in letting players figure it out. There is no in-between.

Bullshit, setting cities to safe and creating a 500m safe zone around rez points and zonelines would cut that griefing down to almost nothing.  Making players invulnerable while engaged in NPC dialog would cut it down even further.

In Shadowbane the players handled this by standing in the safe zone and knocking down other guild's buildings placed near that safe zone.

You put a safe zone in the wild and the griefers will use it to avoid retribution.  The game brings players together in predictible ways therefore they will be griefed in predictible ways.  It isn't rocket surgery.  You force a respawn point and it won't matter that the spawning player has 60 seconds of invulnerability until they move...  they'll still be ganked between the time they drop invul and get a summon out of that location.  They haven't even got a chance if they attempt to escape on their own.  While it may not be a meaningful encounter when one chump is dead before their client responds, but that's not a problem for the guy curbstomping him in an online game.

[Signe]

I figured it means crying, but what is the second Q for? "Qrying"?

OMG YOU CAN BE SO CUTE SOMETIMES!!!   

[Megrim]

I figured it means crying, but what is the second Q for? "Qrying"?

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q q

Two eyes with tears running down. Supposedly... I'm not much for this AOL bullshit.

My understanding is it's originally from Starcraft.  It just entered the MMO realm via WoW thanks to Battle.net 'tards.\

Also:  "We know the game mechanics allow xyz.. but that's not nice and you should play ABC" was figured out in other games in 2001. You don't code shit and then decide that because you can't code right or don't have time to fix it that 'whoops unwritten rule here!' 

So funcom got the technical part but has completly screwed the pooge on the actual game management.  Fucking stellar.

It's not from Starcraft. The (original, afaik) Korean version was TT. QQ came from WoW or some other terribad game.

[Tarami]

It's not from Starcraft. The (original, afaik) Korean version was TT. QQ came from WoW or some other terribad game.

I can swear I saw it in IRC channels for Quake 2 ten years ago. I don't really think it's a new or even recent invention, it has just been isolated until WoW pulled in Engrish retards from all over the world.

Aah. Once FPS'es ruled the Internet. Those were good days.

[Brogarn]

I remember QQ from the VN boards back when I played DAoC. I haven't a clue when it started, but it was pre-WoW as far as I remember.

[Venkman]

"Players will do what they can, if they can, when they can and when they want to"

Exactly. Which is why the GM should have instructed those players to leave for PvE rather than pander to their carebearness with a meek request to their antagonists. If you're going to bill a server as FFA PvP, then you need to let players know that it is actually FFA PvP, not some quilted hybrid of here-safe/here-not that does little more than start a cold war between developers and griefers. Of course, if you do want that quilt, just go ahead and accept it, relabeling FFA PvP to something more appropriate.

AoC has servers for people who want some amount of protection. Those people just need to be channeled that way. And the GMs should be instructed on how to do so.

[murdoc]

I remember QQ from the VN boards back when I played DAoC. I haven't a clue when it started, but it was pre-WoW as far as I remember.

Yeah, there was a guy on our server that spoke pretty much zero english, but would always be RVRing out with us, and whenever he died, all he said was 'QQ'

[Brogarn]

I remember QQ from the VN boards back when I played DAoC. I haven't a clue when it started, but it was pre-WoW as far as I remember.

Yeah, there was a guy on our server that spoke pretty much zero english, but would always be RVRing out with us, and whenever he died, all he said was 'QQ'

Wow. That's pretty damn funny in a stereotypical foreigner in an American movie who can only speak slang or curse words kind of way. Or maybe I'm just desperate for humor as I sit here waiting for Sun to freaking call me back so that I can upgrade this freaking server. But I digress...

[Slayerik]

What a waste of GM's time to be dealing with...fuckin Funcom

I love the sweeping generalizations made here about some people and their playstyles. I might as well return the favor. Oh wait, everyone knows I think PvE servers are for little girls. Sweep on!

[Kirth]

What a waste of GM's time to be dealing with...fuckin Funcom

I love the sweeping generalizations made here about some people and their playstyles. I might as well return the favor. Oh wait, everyone knows I think PvE servers are for little girls. Sweep on!

QQ ?

[Mrbloodworth]

I think it does apply. 

[murdoc]

I remember QQ from the VN boards back when I played DAoC. I haven't a clue when it started, but it was pre-WoW as far as I remember.

Yeah, there was a guy on our server that spoke pretty much zero english, but would always be RVRing out with us, and whenever he died, all he said was 'QQ'

Wow. That's pretty damn funny in a stereotypical foreigner in an American movie who can only speak slang or curse words kind of way. Or maybe I'm just desperate for humor as I sit here waiting for Sun to freaking call me back so that I can upgrade this freaking server. But I digress...

I'm really trying to remember what the name of his toon was, but can't for the life of me. He said a couple of other things that were pretty engrish, but all I really remember is seeing the killspam 'xxx was killed by xxx' and the 'QQ' Never where he died or anything, just a very sad and lonely 'QQ'

[Raguel]

So, if I hate diku with a passion, should I just sit out the next few games? or decade? or maybe just play more FFH2 till my eyes bleed?

[Riggswolfe]

So, if I hate diku with a passion, should I just sit out the next few games? or decade? or maybe just play more FFH2 till my eyes bleed?

Yes.

[Miasma]

So, if I hate diku with a passion, should I just sit out the next few games? or decade? or maybe just play more FFH2 till my eyes bleed?

Yes.

The last decade too.

[Kirth]

So, if I hate diku with a passion, should I just sit out the next few games? or decade? or maybe just play more FFH2 till my eyes bleed?

QQ 

[Raguel]

So, if I hate diku with a passion, should I just sit out the next few games? or decade? or maybe just play more FFH2 till my eyes bleed?

QQ 

lol I like

[Lietgardis]

I don't know what their community people and devs are smoking.  They brought the servers down today for four hours to make three nerfs?  Due to the lack of progress on serious bugs and complete void of communication I almost think that they gave everyone the first week after launch off to recuperate after spending many long nights to get the game out the door...

Mysteriously short patch notes probably indicate serious backend fixes that they don't want to tell you about.  Some designer got lucky when he begged to get his little harmless data changes into that dupe fix build (or whatever).

[Kirth]

I don't know what their community people and devs are smoking.  They brought the servers down today for four hours to make three nerfs?  Due to the lack of progress on serious bugs and complete void of communication I almost think that they gave everyone the first week after launch off to recuperate after spending many long nights to get the game out the door...

Mysteriously short patch notes probably indicate serious backend fixes that they don't want to tell you about.  Some designer got lucky when he begged to get his little harmless data changes into that dupe fix build (or whatever).

Like anything harvested before may 27 being un-usable in any tradeskill recipe, that shit is off the hook.

[WindupAtheist]

[IainC]

Goons told no massive battles for j00!

[Merusk]

More Here

I'm seeing all kinds of complaints about this GM, Agnosia.   He's obviously got a "Vision" for the server, since he's goading several PVP guilds into playing differently than they are.  Stellar, it's like the worst abuses of 1999 EQ and UO all over again.

I'm so glad I didn't buy this game.