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Reply #385 on: October 22, 2018, 03:48:28 PM

It will be sad when all the dogs get put out of jobs.
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Reply #386 on: October 23, 2018, 10:39:27 PM

Black Mirror already went there

I'm almost convinced Boston Dynamics are deliberately copying that look. Fuckers.
Wiki actually says the Black Mirror guys were inspired by the Boston Dynamic robot dogs to make that episode.

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Reply #387 on: October 24, 2018, 12:41:52 AM

It will be sad when all the dogs get put out of jobs.

Not this again.  Look, the robot dogs will only come in and do the menial tasks, like fetching the newspaper and scaring off burglars.  You know, the jobs that the regular dogs don't want to do anyway.

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Reply #388 on: October 25, 2018, 10:37:53 AM

If my robot dog will actually just bark at burglars, not piss and shit in the house when it rains and not steal my food when I'm not looking I'll take it.

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Reply #389 on: October 25, 2018, 05:20:11 PM

I've been waiting for someone to invent a robot dog that'll chase feral cats and raccoons out of my yard.

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Reply #390 on: October 25, 2018, 05:55:50 PM

Im rereading Snow Crash and the Rat Thing starts to read more like science than fiction.
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Reply #391 on: November 03, 2018, 07:58:56 PM


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Reply #392 on: November 05, 2018, 01:31:18 PM


Is it just me or did their demo look a lot like they were just flinging mannequins off a trapeze into a safety net?

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Reply #393 on: November 05, 2018, 02:36:29 PM


Is it just me or did their demo look a lot like they were just flinging mannequins off a trapeze into a safety net?

Well, mannequins that could strike different poses and then stick the landing perfectly, yeah.

Interesting that the stunt guy interviewed liked the idea, as he didn't see it replacing him but as a versatile tool he could use to set up his stunts more safely.
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Reply #394 on: November 06, 2018, 12:13:22 AM


Is it just me or did their demo look a lot like they were just flinging mannequins off a trapeze into a safety net?

Well, mannequins that could strike different poses and then stick the landing perfectly, yeah.

Interesting that the stunt guy interviewed liked the idea, as he didn't see it replacing him but as a versatile tool he could use to set up his stunts more safely.

Good chances that the guy has received many, many blows to the head.  If they can perfect those things (and shit, some of it looks close), there will be much less work for guys like him.  Although, I imagine there are still many kinds of stunts that these robots would not be suitable for.  Maybe even most kinds.

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Reply #395 on: November 06, 2018, 02:52:20 AM

I think what annoyed me about that video was that they were talking about "sticking a landing" while showing video of mannequins flopping ass first into trampolines.  "Sticking a landing" is when you land on your feet without stumbling.


The midair poses were kinda cool, but you don't really need complex robotics to do that.

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Reply #396 on: November 06, 2018, 03:05:12 AM

Yeah, that was my thought as well.  Not only could they not "stick" the landing, the couldn't land at all.  Still, you can imagine the scenarios where they can use something like this, like anything where they now use cables and pulleys to fling stuntmen (and actors) all about.  Just so long as they don't have to land credibly, I doubt they are even close to figuring that out. 

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Reply #397 on: November 06, 2018, 11:11:06 AM

Pedants, on the internet? What is this?

 Ohhhhh, I see.

Sticking a landing for this means landing on the body (machine) part you planned to land on. And yeah, the robotics looked pretty complex to me, but clearly our expectations are somewhat apart...
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Reply #398 on: November 06, 2018, 12:52:54 PM

I think they're simple relative to Boston Dynamics, but in terms of what Hollywood needs (human-looking body that somersaults realistically and lands in a way that could preserve props and costuming for multiple takes) the results sort of speak for themselves. Apparently Disney's main plan was to have these available for live stunt shows where they'd fall off buildings or get launched through the air in impressive and repeatable ways while keeping their performers safe. That they could also show up in film is simply an added benefit.

In terms of the stuntman, I don't think he's even being naive. Many stunts are relatively minor things like standing somewhere dangerous, running quickly on unsteady ground, falling a relatively short distance. The variety of human actions a conventional stuntman can perform on short notice for relatively low cost is still competitive.

Mostly these acrobatic robots would take over for dangerous stunts which today would likely require CG work, making them slightly more practical and visually realistic.

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Reply #399 on: November 08, 2018, 12:54:25 AM

Pedants, on the internet? What is this?

 Ohhhhh, I see.

Sticking a landing for this means landing on the body (machine) part you planned to land on. And yeah, the robotics looked pretty complex to me, but clearly our expectations are somewhat apart...

Don't get me wrong, I think these things are pretty amazing.  But 99 times out of a 100, "sticking a landing" means exactly what the gymnast girl did, so they should not have used it in that context in this article.  I was only making a point that - as impressive as this stuff is -it is a pretty huge gap between what these robots are doing and the incredible balance/muscular control it takes to actually land that sort of movement.  The same can be said about the Evil Robot Dogs.

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Reply #400 on: November 08, 2018, 01:00:51 AM

Stuntpeople generally don't "stick their landings" either. So these robots are no worse in that regard.
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Reply #401 on: November 08, 2018, 02:05:11 AM

Well, not for those big, bombastic jumps they were showing in the video.  But I'd argue that they probably do have to stick their landings for most of the mundane stunts, which is probably the majority of them, wouldn't you think?  I imagine these robots are ridiculously expensive, so in order to be viable they would have to be able to do quite a broad set of activities, one would expect.  I mean, if the only use case is the huge jumps flying through the air and striking a pose, there will much cheaper ways to accomplish that.

(insert joke about how many dead stuntmen you could buy with one robot)

Just being devil's advocate.  Still cool as hell, and any step forward is interesting.

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Reply #402 on: November 08, 2018, 07:54:21 AM

If a stunt performer goes airborne, they land on their back or their ass in something soft, period. They do it for a living and may have to do it several times in a row, you don't get points for staying on your feet.

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Reply #403 on: November 08, 2018, 02:29:54 PM

Stuntpeople need to be good at landing in a net on their ass because human spines are vulnerable to damage and landing in a net on your head will break you.  It's a good skill for a human stuntperson to have.

Dummies don't have spines.  If you're throwing a dummy off a building, you don't need to spend money on programming it with net-landing skills because dummies don't have spines.  Most of the time you don't even need to bother with a net.

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I'm sure there's some reason that this is useful for "stunt robots" or they wouldn't have gone to the expense of building it, but the video didn't make it obvious to me.  Seems more like an intermediate "tech demo" step in building something that might someday be useful (hence all the stock footage of human stuntpeople doing cool stunts that the robots are obviously a long way away from being able to do).

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Reply #404 on: November 08, 2018, 03:32:15 PM

The answer may be that there is a lot of money in the entertainment industry.

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Reply #405 on: November 11, 2018, 09:09:16 PM

Well, not for those big, bombastic jumps they were showing in the video.  But I'd argue that they probably do have to stick their landings for most of the mundane stunts, which is probably the majority of them, wouldn't you think?  I imagine these robots are ridiculously expensive, so in order to be viable they would have to be able to do quite a broad set of activities, one would expect.  I mean, if the only use case is the huge jumps flying through the air and striking a pose, there will much cheaper ways to accomplish that.

(insert joke about how many dead stuntmen you could buy with one robot)

Just being devil's advocate.  Still cool as hell, and any step forward is interesting.

The robots would not have to be either ridiculously expensive or able to do a broad set of activities. Stunts are dangerous and stunt people are expensive for those reasons. The "mundane" stuff is neither dangerous nor expensive. The ability to have a robot to it saves you significant risk and planning costs for dangerous stunts
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