New IE(8) on the way.

[Mrbloodworth]

It still doesn't fix much, or make my life easer, and they are still basically playing catch up.

IE8 Beta

[SnakeCharmer]

I just got used to 7!!!   

[Mrbloodworth]

Honestly, i posted this for any web developers here. There is "Added" Css2.1 support in this new version, but at the same time, yet again, they are making shit up thats IE only....

CSS Compliance

Internet Explorer 8 is the most CSS-compliant release yet. Here are some highlights.

    * Data URI — This mechanism allows a Web page author to embed small entities directly within a Uniform Resource Identifier (URI), rather than using the URI to identify a location from which to retrieve the entity. This is primarily of interest for small images (such as a bullet) used within CSS or layout.
    * New Pseudo-classes — The following are new to Internet Explorer 8:
          o :before and :after— In conjunction with the new content rule, authors can describe dynamic content to appear before and after elements in the document tree.
          o :focus— This pseudo-class applies while an element has input focus.
    * outline — Enables elements to be highlighted without affecting their size. The outline is a shorthand property for outline-color, outline-style, and outline-width.
    * Printing — The following properties have been added:
          o page-break-inside
          o widows
          o orphans
    * Table Layouts — For many years, tables were the preferred layout mechanism on the Internet. With Internet Explorer 8, it is now possible to apply table-style formatting to non-table elements using the display attribute. In practice, CSS tables are more permissive than HTML markup; tables created with CSS rules will nest elements to become valid, whereas tables created with HTML will close containers to avoid unexpected nesting.

For the complete list, see CSS Improvements in Internet Explorer 8.

Highlights for the end user:

Activities <-- Rather cool.
WebSlices <-- RSS feeds by another name
Favorites Bar <-- Orly?
Automatic Crash Recovery <-- 
Improved Phishing Filter <-- meh

Java Devs, you can stop holding your breath:

Circular Memory Leak Mitigation

Internet Explorer 8 includes improvements to memory management. These improvements mitigate memory leaks that were previously created by circular references between JScript objects and DOM objects.

This feature may affect the behavior of webpages that depend on garbage memory that, only as the result of a memory leak, existed in previous versions of Internet Explorer. In Internet Explorer 8, these pages will reference unallocated memory and generate a fault.

This feature affects each website displayed in Internet Explorer 8 regardless of the site's chosen rendering mode.
See Circular Memory Leak Mitigation white paper for more information.

[HaemishM]

IE 7 is the bane of my fucking existence. I'm sure IE8 will not only fuck up perfectly working things but add new fuckups to those already perfectly working things.

[Stormwaltz]

I just got used to 7!!!   

They still haven't convinced me to upgrade to 7.

[Morat20]

IE 7 is the bane of my fucking existence. I'm sure IE8 will not only fuck up perfectly working things but add new fuckups to those already perfectly working things.

IE7 keeps pissing me off -- I'll open up a ton of tabs, and then suddenly one of them will lose the menu bar, hang at "connecting....", and prevent any new tabs (or right-click menus) from opening until I kill that tab.

Then I have to replace the menu bar, and once that little fuckup occurs, it starts happening regularly when opening tabs until I kill that instance if IE. Sometimes it'll fuck explorer.exe just for fun in the process.

They need to fix that.

[Morfiend]

Wait... people here use IE?
 

[Ookii]

IE 7 is the bane of my fucking existence.

Really, a web browser?

Firefox + IETab FTW.

[HaemishM]

Wait... people here use IE?
 

I only use that piece of shit when someone tells me my HTML code isn't working, even though it damn well works in IE6, Avant and Firefox with no trouble. IE7 is the devil's bukkake.

[Stormwaltz]

Wait... people here use IE?

The only thing worse than IE is the attitude of smug, smirking snobbery that proponents of Firefox, Opera, etc. usually bring to the table.

[Zetleft]

Wait... people here use IE?

The only thing worse than IE is the attitude of smug, smirking snobbery that proponents of Firefox, Opera, etc. usually bring to the table.

Snobbery is bad but there is no way it matches the wretchedness of IE itself.   Be reasonable. 

[Miasma]

Wait... people here use IE?

The only thing worse than IE is the attitude of smug, smirking snobbery that proponents of Firefox, Opera, etc. usually bring to the table.

I actually resisted going to firefox for a long time because of those people, but then Microsoft started popping up some god damn bar at the top of my browser every second page so I was finally driven into the fold.

Opera zealots are the worst but thankfully there aren't many of them (I don't mean people who just use Opera but the ones who feel everyone who doesn't is a mouthbreather).

[Azazel]

I just got used to 7!!!   

They still haven't convinced me to upgrade to 7.

What that guy said. Well, except for my work laptop that came with it installed by default. But I don't use it.

[Mrbloodworth]

IE 7 is the bane of my fucking existence. I'm sure IE8 will not only fuck up perfectly working things but add new fuckups to those already perfectly working things.

IE7 keeps pissing me off -- I'll open up a ton of tabs, and then suddenly one of them will lose the menu bar, hang at "connecting....", and prevent any new tabs (or right-click menus) from opening until I kill that tab.

Then I have to replace the menu bar, and once that little fuckup occurs, it starts happening regularly when opening tabs until I kill that instance if IE. Sometimes it'll fuck explorer.exe just for fun in the process.

They need to fix that.

Thats one thing they did fix. Now each tab is its own "Processes" so, in theory, if something bombs on one tab, it wont affect the others. 

[Morat20]

Thats one thing they did fix. Now each tab is its own "Processes" so, in theory, if something bombs on one tab, it wont affect the others. 

Good. I use IE for work (our stuff is IE compliant by requirement. We just added Firefox to the list of browsers we officially support) and that pisses me off a lot.

[Mrbloodworth]

Thats one thing they did fix. Now each tab is its own "Processes" so, in theory, if something bombs on one tab, it wont affect the others. 

Good. I use IE for work (our stuff is IE compliant by requirement. We just added Firefox to the list of browsers we officially support) and that pisses me off a lot.

Same here. Just about every contract we do is IE only required. I hate IE.

[Morfiend]

Wait... people here use IE?

The only thing worse than IE is the attitude of smug, smirking snobbery that proponents of Firefox, Opera, etc. usually bring to the table.

I wasn't being snobby. I was actually being serious. That browser sucks, and I was supprised to hear that people here use it. I use Safari 3.

[Morat20]

Thats one thing they did fix. Now each tab is its own "Processes" so, in theory, if something bombs on one tab, it wont affect the others. 

Good. I use IE for work (our stuff is IE compliant by requirement. We just added Firefox to the list of browsers we officially support) and that pisses me off a lot.

Same here. Just about every contract we do is IE only required. I hate IE.

I was thinking of getting one of these for work, although I'm pretty sure attempting to use their VPN wouldn't work -- our firewalls are pretty strict on both sides, and they frown on starting VPNs from inside the network. (Took four freakin' years to get the one I use for my timecard set up).

[Mrbloodworth]

Thats one thing they did fix. Now each tab is its own "Processes" so, in theory, if something bombs on one tab, it wont affect the others. 

Good. I use IE for work (our stuff is IE compliant by requirement. We just added Firefox to the list of browsers we officially support) and that pisses me off a lot.

Same here. Just about every contract we do is IE only required. I hate IE.

I was thinking of getting one of these for work, although I'm pretty sure attempting to use their VPN wouldn't work -- our firewalls are pretty strict on both sides, and they frown on starting VPNs from inside the network. (Took four freakin' years to get the one I use for my timecard set up).

That looks sexy, but i don't take work home with me. I would fear the 10 password attempts or your data is Fried thing. Other than that, i meant most of our contracts are built to only work in IE (at least, only required to work in IE). Its a pain in the ass.

You wouldn't believe the hacky ass shit that is "IE only standard".

[Morat20]

That looks sexy, but i don't take work home with me. I would fear the 10 password attempts or your data is Fried thing. Other than that, i meant most of our contracts are built to only work in IE (at least, only required to work in IE). Its a pain in the ass.

You wouldn't believe the hacky ass shit that is "IE only standard".

Yeah, I have a password I know and wouldn't mistype often (considered "Strong" -- 8 character, numbers, letters, and special characters -- totally random) that I'd probably use, but I'd still routinely mirror it on one of my "auto backup" directories at home. :)

It is a sexy little toy though, isn't it? I got their tape-dispenser/USB hub for Christmas and I'm pretty fond of it. :)

[Rishathra]

I use IE.  Never even tried any of the other browsers, not because I'm MS loyal or anything like that, but I simply don't demand much from my web browser.  Can I view porn?  Check.  Visit sites of interest, read forums, blogs, and such?  Check.  Buy stuff?  Check.

Strangely, the only trouble I've ever had with IE7 is that with XP, it crashes occasionally when I try to load the F13 forums.  Nowhere else, specifically F13.

[naum]

Wait... people here use IE?

The only thing worse than IE is the attitude of smug, smirking snobbery that proponents of Firefox, Opera, etc. usually bring to the table.

Fsck that and MS eschewing W3C thinking they are and set the standard…

And there are still bugs in IE7 upgrade that weren't addressed…

If you are a web developer and you don't use Firefox, you're not much of a developer (unless you're developing MSIE only intranet applications reliant totally on .NET, SQL Server, Silverlight, etc.…)… …all of the add-ons and extensions make it the most utilitarian but I think I have so many installed that it is why Firefox bails on me from time to time… …for pure browsing now, I use Camino (which is a OS X stripped down Gecko engine)… …Safari has improved vastly but there are some UI points that I prefer the FF model…

[Calantus]

I wish Microsoft would just conform to standards already. I don't give a flying fuck if your browser can recognize X feature that nobody uses because only your browser can see it.

[Bunk]

It amazed me that my company's newest software actualy came out with Firefox as a recomended browser. Hell, it almost works on Opera even  Still, I use IE7 because thats what 98% of the masses use, I I need to know what they are doing to fuck thier shit up.

[Salamok]

I wish Microsoft would just conform to standards already. I don't give a flying fuck if your browser can recognize X feature that nobody uses because only your browser can see it.

even if they did conform your going to have to deal with their long ass trail of legacy shit for quite awhile yet.  For example IE 7 may support PNG transparency in a standards compliant way but I won't be able to ditch the IE 5.5/6 workarounds for at least another 2-3 years.  I wish they would just friggen break all currently installed versions of IE prior to 7.  Took me a few days to get used to 7 but I like it way better than 6 now. 

Firefox has some great dev tools <hug firebug> but i would still rather use IE7 for my infotainment browsing.

[Azazel]

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Is-Internet-Explorer-Safer-than-Firefox-Opera-and-Safari-80051.shtml

Enjoy!

[Salamok]

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Is-Internet-Explorer-Safer-than-Firefox-Opera-and-Safari-80051.shtml

Enjoy!

kind of meaningless in the real world though.  IE's main security flaw is it's popularity, someone looking to exploit isn't going to worry about percentages of security flaws  in different browsers, instead they will focus on how many people use said browsers and with IE over the 70% mark it is a no brainer.  Same logic for viruses, you aren't going to achieve mass mayhem by having your virus target the apple OS.

[Samwise]

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Is-Internet-Explorer-Safer-than-Firefox-Opera-and-Safari-80051.shtml

Enjoy!

Oh that's awesome.  I'm going to have to forward that around work and see if I can get someone to put a jihad on me.   

[Calantus]

I wish Microsoft would just conform to standards already. I don't give a flying fuck if your browser can recognize X feature that nobody uses because only your browser can see it.

even if they did conform your going to have to deal with their long ass trail of legacy shit for quite awhile yet.  For example IE 7 may support PNG transparency in a standards compliant way but I won't be able to ditch the IE 5.5/6 workarounds for at least another 2-3 years.  I wish they would just friggen break all currently installed versions of IE prior to 7.  Took me a few days to get used to 7 but I like it way better than 6 now. 

Firefox has some great dev tools <hug firebug> but i would still rather use IE7 for my infotainment browsing.

That's true. I wish they could force people to upgrade their browsers. :(