2.4 changes?

[MrHat]

On the most recent Blizzcast, they once again mentioned the idea of letting tanks taunt players, ie simply move their focus off their current target and onto the tank.  Once again they gave the ridiculous excuse that they don't want to add another form of cc to the game.

Firstly, that's the lightest form of cc conceivable (all you have to do is move your target back), and secondly, fucking mind control is OK but not taunt?  MIND CONTROL???

Not to mention that this same function, less the retargeting, already exists in WoW PvP.  Hunters that feign death cause players to lose their targetting on them.

Ya, the problem is it might be imbalanced because you could be in the middle of casting a spell, then get taunted and have the spell fizzle.  Maybe they could rework it to continue casting the spell at the new target.

[Dren]

On the most recent Blizzcast, they once again mentioned the idea of letting tanks taunt players, ie simply move their focus off their current target and onto the tank.  Once again they gave the ridiculous excuse that they don't want to add another form of cc to the game.

Firstly, that's the lightest form of cc conceivable (all you have to do is move your target back), and secondly, fucking mind control is OK but not taunt?  MIND CONTROL???

Not to mention that this same function, less the retargeting, already exists in WoW PvP.  Hunters that feign death cause players to lose their targetting on them.

That is more like what I was suggesting.  The tank would basically steal attacks onto themselves since they have the health pool/armor/and resistances.  It would take good timing, but would add so much more depth to group PvP.  Today the tank character is just a minor pest during a fight, this would go a long ways to making them a major pest worth dealing with.  It is also a nice idea since it would do absolutely nothing to make them more effective in solo PvP and thus throwing any supposed balance off.  Nobody would be able to say, "Now Prot Warriors are UBAR!  NERF NOW!!!!"  They still wouldn't be killers on their own, but really nice damage sponges.

Ya, the problem is it might be imbalanced because you could be in the middle of casting a spell, then get taunted and have the spell fizzle.  Maybe they could rework it to continue casting the spell at the new target.

*Edit: Quoting owned me.

[Ratman_tf]

"WHERE ARE MY HEALS NUB"

There are a good chunk of PvP players who just don't get it. They spend their time in the BG bitching everytime they die, not noticing that everyone on their side is decked out in whites and greens, while the other side is a premade twinkathon on Vent.

Or just plain a bad situation goes down, and there's nothing you can do. You can be tight on heals and 100% game, but if your down to three guys, and the whole other team happens to be coming at you, you're fucked.

Is it just Alliance that fills up /bg chat with bitching, BTW?

[Jayce]

On the most recent Blizzcast, they once again mentioned the idea of letting tanks taunt players, ie simply move their focus off their current target and onto the tank.  Once again they gave the ridiculous excuse that they don't want to add another form of cc to the game.

Firstly, that's the lightest form of cc conceivable (all you have to do is move your target back), and secondly, fucking mind control is OK but not taunt?  MIND CONTROL???

Not to mention that this same function, less the retargeting, already exists in WoW PvP.  Hunters that feign death cause players to lose their targetting on them.

That is more like what I was suggesting.  The tank would basically steal attacks onto themselves since they have the health pool/armor/and resistances.  It would take good timing, but would add so much more depth to group PvP.  Today the tank character is just a minor pest during a fight, this would go a long ways to making them a major pest worth dealing with.  It is also a nice idea since it would do absolutely nothing to make them more effective in solo PvP and thus throwing any supposed balance off.  Nobody would be able to say, "Now Prot Warriors are UBAR!  NERF NOW!!!!"  They still wouldn't be killers on their own, but really nice damage sponges.

Ya, the problem is it might be imbalanced because you could be in the middle of casting a spell, then get taunted and have the spell fizzle.  Maybe they could rework it to continue casting the spell at the new target.

Even though this was an epic fail at quoting, I agree with Dren.  I don't know why retargetting would make your spell fizzle.  You can purposely retarget while casting now, and the spell just goes to the old target (your target when you START casting matters).  Maybe they could change that so that if you taunt the spell comes to you, but that seems like the most complex part.

[Fordel]

Taunting would be useless outside of confusing the mouth breathers.

Anyone who PvP'ed more then once a month would create a focus recall macro for every attack bind they have. It would be like the PvP version of /stopcast macros on every spell.



I agree tanks should be able to 'tank' in pvp, protect healers and squishes and what not, but flat out making players tauntable wont do dick for it. Need more things like intervene, except make them not suck.

- Do you think they will retune more of ZA and nerf it down with this patch?

I don't think it will be this patch, but I expect them to nerf the gauntlets and scouts 'soon'. Also wouldn't be shocked if they upped the number of badges and loot dropped per boss. In my experience, the gauntlet is the quickest raid killer. Or it's respawn I should say. Wipe a few times on a boss, oh look the Gaunt is back, yea lets call it a day. Heaven help you if someone has to go to the bathroom or something  during the 'cleared' time. 

I also think we will eventually see the Tier set armor tokens just either be BoE or Badge purchasable.

[Paelos]

- Do you think they will retune more of ZA and nerf it down with this patch?

I don't think it will be this patch, but I expect them to nerf the gauntlets and scouts 'soon'. Also wouldn't be shocked if they upped the number of badges and loot dropped per boss. In my experience, the gauntlet is the quickest raid killer. Or it's respawn I should say. Wipe a few times on a boss, oh look the Gaunt is back, yea lets call it a day. Heaven help you if someone has to go to the bathroom or something  during the 'cleared' time. 

I also think we will eventually see the Tier set armor tokens just either be BoE or Badge purchasable.

I agree that the gauntlets have to go, and about half of the lynx trash should probably not exist. Fucking respawns have never been cool, ever. Why they felt the need to cram this stuff down our throats instead of actually focusing on cooler boss encounters is beyond me. The bear and lynx are complete crap. They are the same old rehashed shit we've seen in every instance, and it's starting to annoy me that cooler/newer encounters like the Dragonhawk and Eagle are surrounded by gobs of annoying trash to try to "balance" the time involved on learning the fights.

[Fordel]

I think I would be happy if the Gauntlets just did not respawn after you cleared them. With normal trash, if you take too long, you end up having to re-kill a small handful of mobs. With the Gauntlets, all or nothing. Sucks :(


Also: http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=4923.0


Hurrah for epic gems, but holy fuck add another 200 badges to my tab 

[Chimpy]

Just go do Bagtheridon. 20 slot bag + bag of epic gems every kill.

And I guess he will click the cubes for you too.

[Merusk]

Just go do Bagtheridon. 20 slot bag + bag of epic gems every kill.

And I guess he will click the cubes for you too.

Wha?  I haddn't heard anything about such major changes to Mag.. where'd you read it?

[Chimpy]

Just go do Bagtheridon. 20 slot bag + bag of epic gems every kill.

And I guess he will click the cubes for you too.

Wha?  I haddn't heard anything about such major changes to Mag.. where'd you read it?

It's in the patch notes I think.....if not there was a blue post about it that got quoted on MMO-champion. The cube-clicking thing was something a guy in my guild who is pretty much up on all the blue posts/new ptr changes told me.

[Fordel]

They are removing the debuff from cube clicking or some such? I'm not in any 25 man raids, so I don't pay too much attention to it.

[Merusk]

Found it.. it's talked about in-depth in the Blizzcast stuff. The transcript of which is here

They're toning-down the channelers, and sounds like the abyssals are either getting HP nerfs (so you can kill rather than banish them) or perhaps just having their damage-dealt toned down.  Those things hurt like a mo-fo currently and could easily 2-shot casters in early raid gear.

They're also making the 'ceiling collapse' a lot easier to see.  This ability sucked, because there were only a few rocks that fell in the area before you got slammed with around 6k damage.  In some cases it falls on the tank and that means "oh hey raid over start from the beginning!" which always sucks.

Yeah, the "mind exhaustion" debuff is going away, too.  It wasn't TOO hard to get around that with the last chang, which meant you could click and click and click until Mag was actually banished.  Prior to that any clicking at all meant you were fucked until your next rotation, so one person just a second too late on clicking killed everyone.  That sucked.   This change just means it'll be a lot easier to pick someone to click if one of your clickers get stupid and dies, since you'll have 5 additonal people to pick from.

And then yeah, the epic uncut gems and a HUGE gold increase along with a 20-slot bag.  Sounds like a good reason to get back to killing him, for guilds like mine that just bought Arena loot or crafted better bps than the T4 crap, and a lot easier on PUGs. In all very nice.

[Xanthippe]

Is it just Alliance that fills up /bg chat with bitching, BTW?

No.

[MrHat]

I had the gaul to say "Man, hella fun AV so far, very hard fought on both sides" when in a 25 min AV that resulted in basically both sides getting pushed and pushing back and forth all across the map.

There were literally 5-10 responses along the line of: "stfu noob, this is the WORST AV EVER, 25 MINS FOR 400 HONOR, GAH".

:(

[Paelos]

Don't speak in AV unless you are directing traffic by giving information on tower updates or whatnot. All other kinds of comments are met with teenaged rage.

[Ratman_tf]

I've found that a "gg" towards the end is usually ignored. Which beats someone telling me to suck Chuck Norris' dick...

[murdoc]

We had an AB where someone was trying to direct everyone to 'ATTACK NODE SO-AND-SO AS A GROUP' and other such bad advice, and when said stupid advice was ignored he would start swearing and yelling at people. We finally had enough and looked on the map to see what this guy was doing. He was hiding up at the Lumber Mill, in behind where the buff pops. When we called him on it, he said that it's easier for him to direct his troops from up there. o.O

[Jayce]

Sadly, my instinctual response to that sort of rage is to feed the fire.  Making people look like goons is often all too easy.  The fact that they ARE goons helps.

[Rasix]

I had the gaul to say "Man, hella fun AV so far, very hard fought on both sides" when in a 25 min AV that resulted in basically both sides getting pushed and pushing back and forth all across the map.

There were literally 5-10 responses along the line of: "stfu noob, this is the WORST AV EVER, 25 MINS FOR 400 HONOR, GAH".

:(

Yah, Horde has plenty of dumb shit to say on my battlegroup.  Most anything I'll say anymore is "CAP THAT ROAD" when I see a bunch of idiots fighting on the road to SP GY.  It's amazing that in a year no one has learned that you can ride up and around alliance and cap behind them.   Anytime alliance wants to actually fight on that road or block up the choke point it takes Horde forever and a day to dent SP.

Now, I  mostly just play D or go to the RH to try and stall  the ninja attempt.  Had what I consider one of the best matches since the AV changes yesterday.  Alliance succeed in an early RH ninja with a lot people pulling it off, and in came the "gg we lost, flood".  But we managed to get about 10 people into Drek's room (all towers down) with a handful of them actual healers.  When they were starting on Drek we hadn't even gotten to SP yet (road fighting FTL).  Managed to hold them off for at least 30 mins plus.  I died at least twice but was able to run back in both times (hello dumb mage, I can shift out of poly) and we ended up winning on lives with 44 left.  Drek's chamber was just death incarnate as anyone poking their head out would get focus fired down and the healers kept everyone up.  Even had a warlock setting up healthstone portals.  It was great.  Tons of fun and it likely pissed off everyone not in Drek's chamber.

[Paelos]

I only run AB or WSG in premades of 5 or more on Vent now. We horribly suck at it, but we can usually win 25% of the time, and we are usually only after the BG quest that day. I will admit that it's a fun distraction when faced with the alternative of whacking foozles daily for my cash.

Usually the dailies I do now are the BG daily, the cooking daily, the heroic daily if it's not SLabs (which I can't stand), both of the bombing dailies because they are fun and quick, and the simon says daily. If i'm feeling jaunty I do the escort daily and the wrangling daily. That's about 8 I think, and they take a good bit of gameplay to complete.

Now I hear it's 25 at the limit? I don't think I've ever hit the limit of 10.

[Rasix]

Most dailies I've ever done is 3 or 4.  I'm too poor and no one ever, ever wants to do 5 man quests.  Even guildies would rather stare at their naval in Shattrath than do them.

[Chimpy]

There were literally 5-10 responses along the line of: "stfu noob, this is the WORST AV EVER, 25 MINS FOR 400 HONOR, GAH".

:(

Either none of them were playing, or have such short memories that they can't remember the 45 minute wait followed by a 35 minute losing AV for 150 honor.

800 honor an hour from AV is a lot better than the 3-400 you could possibly hope for in your wildest dreams before they put in cross server battlegrounds.

[Merusk]

We had an AB where someone was trying to direct everyone to 'ATTACK NODE SO-AND-SO AS A GROUP' and other such bad advice, and when said stupid advice was ignored he would start swearing and yelling at people. We finally had enough and looked on the map to see what this guy was doing. He was hiding up at the Lumber Mill, in behind where the buff pops. When we called him on it, he said that it's easier for him to direct his troops from up there. o.O

This happens a lot.  There were folks listening to one such idiot in the L20-29 BG on Rampage the other day until I pointed out he was hiding in the spawn area, and had 0 damage, 0 deaths and was just using us to farm his own marks.  We still won, but I think a few others reported him as AFK as well because he shut up and started fighting after we groused at him.


As for the dailies, it's usually not worth grinding them ALL every day unless you're saving money for something.  The netherwing ledge quests in particular take too damn long. (Yay fighting over ravager spawns.)  I'll plunk out the bombings, the cooking, the roundup and "simon says" almost every day and it takes me an hour and a halfish with all the traveling.  Then I'll give one or two attempts at the BG daily and if it's not working (or if it's AV) I'll be done.

If I'm feeling plucky I'll head over to the ledge, be sure to complete booterang and cargo (easy to complete) and pick up stuff for the crystal/ collection/kill quest at the same time.  I won't complete those last 3 every day, but carrying them around partially complete means every two to three days it's another 22-33 gold in my pocket.

Weekends I'll actually do all 10 because it's easier to get the stuff at NW in the morning.

The 25-limit is only because of the # of dailies they're adding for the Sunwell area.  No idea how many are going in there, though.

[Chimpy]

The 25-limit is only because of the # of dailies they're adding for the Sunwell area.  No idea how many are going in there, though.

I think it is a lot. There are exclamation points on top of the heads of basically every NPC on the PTR, and there are constant waves of demons attacking the town, so I am sure there will be umpteeneleventybillion things to do to get rep with these guys. Probably on the order of 10-15 dailies out there alone.

[MrHat]

I can't bring myself to do any daily but the BG one and maybe (big maybe) the heroic one on my mage if it's a heroic I haven't run before.


Don't know why.

[Xanthippe]

While you can't turn off battleground chat:

Did you know that you can right-click <random idiot's> name and /ignore it?

It adds tremendously to my enjoyment of the battlegrounds. 

When your /ignore list grows to large, delete every name and start over.

+100 happiness guaranteed.

[Chimpy]

While you can't turn off battleground chat:

Did you know that you can right-click <random idiot's> name and /ignore it?

It adds tremendously to my enjoyment of the battlegrounds. 

When your /ignore list grows to large, delete every name and start over.

+100 happiness guaranteed.

/report spam is better, it puts them on some form of (I assume it is temporary) ignore list that is not your usual ignore list, and if enough people do it, the assmunches could get banned for being a gold seller if blizzard makes a mistake in investigating :)

[Xanthippe]

/report spam is better, it puts them on some form of (I assume it is temporary) ignore list that is not your usual ignore list, and if enough people do it, the assmunches could get banned for being a gold seller if blizzard makes a mistake in investigating :)

I think the battleground ignore is also temporary, and I don't want to abuse the goldseller spammer reporting tool.

Besides, I'm a good girl.   

[Threash]

I havent done a single daily since i figured out i can make large prismatic shards for about 15g worth of mats and they sell for 30g.  When a new arena season is about to come out i might start doing the bg dailies for honor.

[MrHat]

I havent done a single daily since i figured out i can make large prismatic shards for about 15g worth of mats and they sell for 30g.  When a new arena season is about to come out i might start doing the bg dailies for honor.

Which one? The netherweave robe?

[Threash]

I havent done a single daily since i figured out i can make large prismatic shards for about 15g worth of mats and they sell for 30g.  When a new arena season is about to come out i might start doing the bg dailies for honor.

Which one? The netherweave robe?

braided eternium chain from jcing.

[Jayce]

Sadly almost all enchanting mats and primals have been taking a nosedive on my realm.  You can get LPS for 20 now, and primal life has plunged from 20g to 10g.

I never complete all the dailies either, but I usually have time left over.  I don't bother stopping in Shattrath for the cooking daily and don't really have time to do instance or BG dailies.

I'm looking forward to the SSO ones, just because there will be enough soloable ones for me to do.

I do:
Bomb Skettis
Escort
fly to BEM
Simon
Bomb
Banish
Wrangle

On the rare occasion I add cooking in, it's only 7.  Netherwing might put me over if I can just make that last 1500g for my fast flying skill.

[Chimpy]

On the rare occasion I add cooking in, it's only 7.  Netherwing might put me over if I can just make that last 1500g for my fast flying skill.

The Netherwing quests really depend on what tradeskills you have, and what times you hit the mines. If you are mining or herbalism (or both) you can rake in the quests pretty fast while doing other ones out there.

Of course, if you are any type of healing class, the mines suck royal nuts.

[Simond]

I havent done a single daily since i figured out i can make large prismatic shards for about 15g worth of mats and they sell for 30g.  When a new arena season is about to come out i might start doing the bg dailies for honor.

Friendly hint: Get the hell out of that market before 2.4 hits, or you will lose your shirt.

[AcidCat]

I can't bring myself to do any daily but the BG one and maybe (big maybe) the heroic one on my mage if it's a heroic I haven't run before.


Don't know why.

I only do the BG one, I love it. That's pretty much all I do with my Shaman for now aside from guild social stuff, log on, get the BG daily, play until I get a win for that quest (usually only takes one or two rounds), and then log off to play my alt or log off period. Playing about an hour a day, the honor slowly but steadily adds up (and the 10 gold or so doesn't hurt), it's a nice mellow way to play with minimal time investment but still get a good piece of gear every few weeks.