The Internet vs Scientology

[schild]

Jedi need not money.

Religions, even fake ones, and especially cults need money. And lots of it.

[Yegolev]

See, here's the problem with me entering this discussion: I don't draw a line between Scientology and Christianity.  More parallels than perpendiculars, if you ask me.  Which you didn't, so I'm fine with dropping it.

[Tebonas]

For your benefit I assume you don't enter the politics forum at the risk of death then.

Because your misconceptions were addressed there more than enough, thats why nobody else wants to do that dance a second time.

[Paelos]

For your benefit I assume you don't enter the politics forum at the risk of death then.

Because your misconceptions were addressed there more than enough, thats why nobody else wants to do that dance a second time.

That place reeks of sweat and shame.

[Tebonas]

Yeah, but if we discuss the same things here again, the whole forum will!

You can't breach the containment field!

[Jain Zar]

Like Schild said, Scientology isn't a religion. He's right there's no need to walk that line. I'm just saying in terms of whacky things I've heard in my life, Scientology pretty much stands out as something I'd have to wonder why people even entertain as a reality. There are a few things that make that list, but honestly the shit they put out reads like it was written for a comic book. I figured the Jedi cult would have taken off better.

I can't remember where I heard it, but someone pointed out there is a 60s Fantastic Four comic book with an alien overlord called Xemu.  It was apparently released a year or so earlier than when Hubbard's scheme popped up.
Apparently the whole comic is suspiciously similar to their mythology...

And even if nobody shows up to those Feb 10 things some folks are doing, the sheer NOISE Anonymous has done has put more knowledge of what they do out there.  Its already done massive damage to the organization.

[Kitsune]

Schild, be sure that your state allows people to wear masks in public.  In some states it's legal so long as you aren't being naughty, but in others it's flat-out illegal, and you probably wouldn't care to get hauled off by cops, or worse, look like a douche in public by showing up in a mask, only to have to take it off after being scolded by a cop.

[Tale]

Schild, be sure that your state allows people to wear masks in public.  In some states it's legal so long as you aren't being naughty, but in others it's flat-out illegal, and you probably wouldn't care to get hauled off by cops, or worse, look like a douche in public by showing up in a mask, only to have to take it off after being scolded by a cop.

The United States of America, standing for freedom since 1775.

[Calantus]

Like Schild said, Scientology isn't a religion. He's right there's no need to walk that line. I'm just saying in terms of whacky things I've heard in my life, Scientology pretty much stands out as something I'd have to wonder why people even entertain as a reality. There are a few things that make that list, but honestly the shit they put out reads like it was written for a comic book. I figured the Jedi cult would have taken off better.

The problem with a jedi religion is that people know it's not true because it was made up for the express purpose of being put into a made-up universe. I've pretty sure you can get people to believe anything at all that cannot be proven if you market it as a religious truth but if it starts of as fiction it's got no chance. Jedi religion is just people goofing off.

[Roac]

See, I don't really care what Scientologists believe.  I care what they, as an organization, do both to their own members and non-members.  If you thought it rained chickens ever Friday, but somehow made the world a better place, I'd give you a pass.  Instead, Scientology hurts people, kills people, breaks laws, harms relationships, extorts people, bullies people, lies to people, and is generally unpleasant.  If this were the exception they might still get a pass - but instead it's the norm.  Their SOP is to be as much of an asshole as it takes to keep the money flowing, and the ends do justify the means. 

It's not that "they do bad things", either.  Any organization will do bad things, have members who exploit volunteers/members, and so forth.  Nothing is immune from the ills of human behavior, and I accept that enough to excuse organizations which make attempts at keeping such behavior to a minimum.  Scientology encourages it. 

[Simond]

Jedi religion is just people goofing off.

Those religions are the best religions. And don't forget to partake of a hot dog without a bun today, in memory of the Original Snub.

[stray]

If only Frank Herbert or Douglas Adams had made religions... The world would be a better place.

[sidereal]

Fnord

[Murgos]

And don't forget to partake of a hot dog without a bun today, in memory of the Original Snub.

And thus a wandering visit to wikipedia was born.

[JWIV]

And don't forget to partake of a hot dog without a bun today, in memory of the Original Snub.

And thus a wandering visit to wikipedia was born.

Gaining knowledge of the Paratheo-Anametamystikhood Of Eris Esoteric is but the first step to becoming a POPE.

[Samwise]

Schild, be sure that your state allows people to wear masks in public.

This page is aimed at answering that question, but it's far from complete and doesn't have an entry in Arizona.  It looks like masks are fine in California as long as you're not doing something else illegal while wearing one.

[JoeTF]

Don't put anything on ze frontpage.
1) It's not related to gaming in any way.


2) You will get fucked up in the ass big time.
You said scientos don't have anyone to sue for, well - if you put the docs (or even links to them), they will have someone - you. Remember, those guys don't really care for law, they might as well sue you for using copyvio on fonts used on front pag, or crooked signature on invoice from ten years ago. The whole point of anonymous protest is well, remaining anonymous. Posting stolen doxs under well, essentially your own name is contradiction to entire idea.

[stray]

Shit, f13 exists and thrives partly because it wasn't meant be always related to gaming.

[Sauced]

Anonymous Hackers Track Saboteur, Find and Punish the Wrong Guy

[schild]

There are innocent casualties in any war.

[tazelbain]

Your avatar makes wonder what would happen if V was a red shirt on ST:TOS and waged war against the officers in revenge for countless red shirts who have scraficed so Kirk, Spock and Bones could live on.

[Tebonas]

I would watch that, buy the DVD and watch it again.

[Phildo]

So now they're putting Scientology supporters' personal information on the internet for hundreds of people to call and threaten?  What happened to all the nonviolence?

[Samwise]

Two words: Fair Game.

[Jain Zar]

Two words: Fair Game.

Aaannd...

They just lost all my support.
 

[Dtrain]

You really can't blame joe bumblefuck for not knowing how to secure his wireless network. It's not hard, but we're probably talking about a guy who barely has time to set the time/date on his VCR, let alone be bothered by security keys and mac address filters. And no offense to him, either - he probably works hard to support his family and is an expert in his profession.

I still loathe the profiteering scam that is the church of scientology, but this is an unfortunate black eye for Anonymous' efforts.

[schild]

So I'm the only one that thinks Scientologists should be tracked like sex offenders?

OK THEN.

[Dtrain]

Screw observation, I think the high ranking members of scientology should be blood eagled.

And I still support Anonymous in their crusade against scientology, even though this was a huge PR defeat for them. Their motives are sound, but the methods used by a small minority of people attaching themselves to this movement have been quite harmful and will continue to be a liability if not reigned in somehow.

[squirrel]

So I'm the only one that thinks Scientologists should be tracked like sex offenders?

OK THEN.

Nah, many of us do. But having the goons chase down marginal or innocent people and having that make the news is not good for the cause. Anon is not going to be able to do this without some organization, and they are not very good at that.

[Samwise]

This particular incident wasn't a marginal person being chased down, it was someone who had a trail of evidence implicating him in a major attack against one of the Chans.  That he turned out to be innocent is of course regrettable, but it's not like Anon is harassing innocent Scientologists at random.  IIRC there was a specific point in the Chanology writeup made about NOT being mean to people at the bottom rung of CoS since they're just victims.

[schild]

There's lots of points in the chanology doctrine about Not Bottom Feeding.

In fact, they're quite organized. Too organized for a hive mind. Unfortunately, they went down a wrong lead.

Happens.

These guys will probably fuck up less than your standard police officer though. They're following their own plan very, very well.

[Sutro]

Re: Xemu and F4

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/xemu.htm

LOLs.

Still trying to decide whether or not to show up on the 10th. My state doesn't allow masks, and I get the feeling CoS is going to do something ridiculous on the 10th. Like decide that the end times have actually, yes, arrived and start shooting people. I'm serious.

[schild]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=IDh-POu8w-Q

[Krakrok]

You'd be more effective by choosing the busiest freeway in town and hanging a big paper sign on an overpass that day.

"Bored? Google: Operation *whatever you want it to say*"

[Paelos]

The failure is going to come when the RL get together in London is a bust, and it gets blasted in the media as something nerdy and stupid.