Join your fellow F13ers as militant deep-space warriors!

[apocrypha]

Here's a video one of them made of their last basic pvp course.  Looks like a good tip, Iain.

I was on that particular course, it was awesome fun. I think we killed about 1.5 billion isk worth of ships (much more probably with all the expensive implants in the pods we popped), with probably under 100 million's worth of frigates etc.

Highly, highly recommend these courses :)

[tar]

Well, I've been looking for something new to play. Got the trial downloaded so it's time to give this a go...

[vayeight]

hang on here, im confused, so i was thinking about re enabling my account to get in on some of this action when i pulled up your killboard, and it looks like these guys are kicking your asses, granted  i see you got two battleships but that was a long time ago and you guys just lost a rokh and megathron the other day? see for yourself at:

http://f13.7mph.com/

whats the story behind all of this? it sounds to me like you guys are the ones getting griefed. why do i want to join your corp? i have 27mil sp, and several tech2 ships like the crow, manti, and so on with a focus in jamming and t2 large rails.

i just expected more the way you guys were pumping this up

[Endie]

hang on here, im confused, so i was thinking about re enabling my account to get in on some of this action when i pulled up your killboard, and it looks like these guys are kicking your asses, granted  i see you got two battleships but that was a long time ago and you guys just lost a rokh and megathron the other day? see for yourself at:

http://f13.7mph.com/

whats the story behind all of this? it sounds to me like you guys are the ones getting griefed. why do i want to join your corp? i have 27mil sp, and several tech2 ships like the crow, manti, and so on with a focus in jamming and t2 large rails.

i just expected more the way you guys were pumping this up

Well, I certainly don't think you are transparent!  I believe 100% that you are a genuine long-time-listener-first-time-caller

We're running at 50% efficiency on the KB right now: we kicked your oops sorry I'll play along their butts at first but they now sit on the station undock in their big ships.  This means they can dock up any time and are, practicaly speaking, invulnerable, although only of any danger if we continue jumping in at close range.  This is a very good defensive tactic, although it means that they spend their evenings massed in one system and one station (I sometimes log in on my covops and watch for a while) while our non-afk members are off doing other stuff.  If they split up to run missions or mine we will probably start getting kills again.

Since we have mainly got accounts of a few weeks or months old, and our opposition are in big ships, we've reached stalemate.  We can't do much except amuse ourselves with harassment and sniping against so many characters in battleships and command ships.  That's cool: there is a victory in kinda coralling all of our targets into one place like that.  We, in the meantime, are steadily gaining skills (at the start of this wardec I could fly cruisers: now I can fit a decent battleship) and our new members are learning how to play the game.  With the new members we've got - as well as the older returnees - we're going to be bloody deadly in a matter of weeks.

Personally, my own feeling is that our wardecs should be less about giving targets fair fights in a place where they expect and want them, and more about making sure that they can't run missions or mine, and that they know their implants are at risk if they try to.  In our last wardec, the targets eventually returned to their normal activities, and we killed a bunch of them.  I think we should do that this time, too.

[Slayerik]

hang on here, im confused, so i was thinking about re enabling my account to get in on some of this action when i pulled up your killboard, and it looks like these guys are kicking your asses, granted  i see you got two battleships but that was a long time ago and you guys just lost a rokh and megathron the other day? see for yourself at:

http://f13.7mph.com/

whats the story behind all of this? it sounds to me like you guys are the ones getting griefed. why do i want to join your corp? i have 27mil sp, and several tech2 ships like the crow, manti, and so on with a focus in jamming and t2 large rails.

i just expected more the way you guys were pumping this up

Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

You have T2 ships? Wow man, I envy you.

[palmer_eldritch]

hang on here, im confused, so i was thinking about re enabling my account to get in on some of this action when i pulled up your killboard, and it looks like these guys are kicking your asses, granted  i see you got two battleships but that was a long time ago and you guys just lost a rokh and megathron the other day? see for yourself at:

http://f13.7mph.com/

whats the story behind all of this? it sounds to me like you guys are the ones getting griefed. why do i want to join your corp? i have 27mil sp, and several tech2 ships like the crow, manti, and so on with a focus in jamming and t2 large rails.

i just expected more the way you guys were pumping this up

WTF? I was ALSO about the join the corp, but now I learn how badly you guys are doing I'm having serious doubts!!

hehe

[vayeight]

you cant expect to successfully pilot a bs with less than 10-14 mill skill points, it would be suicide if these guys are in fact veteran players, altho a high sec corp tends to say otherwise. do you guys have jump clones? that you can use to get out of the camped system? you cannot travel alone either in these systems at war..  since you all have low sp you should focus on getting throw away frigs/cruisers and then come at them in force. if you can focus on one bs and take it down then they might start seeing you guys in a new light. you need to have plenty of ships in system or close by that if you lose yours you can get back out on the front asap. stay in station till you have a small force and undock together. this peace meal attacking you are doing doesnt seem to be paying off.

also if you can set bookmarks out of range of these guys but still at the same base then linger long enough for them to give chase, or if you can tank them for long enough for your buddies to warp in you might do some damage.

anyways your killboard looks like you guys need to cordinate like these guys appear to be doing. do we have a link to their killboard?

[gimpyone]

you cant expect to successfully pilot a bs with less than 10-14 mill skill points, it would be suicide if these guys are in fact veteran players, altho a high sec corp tends to say otherwise. do you guys have jump clones? that you can use to get out of the camped system? you cannot travel alone either in these systems at war..  since you all have low sp you should focus on getting throw away frigs/cruisers and then come at them in force. if you can focus on one bs and take it down then they might start seeing you guys in a new light. you need to have plenty of ships in system or close by that if you lose yours you can get back out on the front asap. stay in station till you have a small force and undock together. this peace meal attacking you are doing doesnt seem to be paying off.

also if you can set bookmarks out of range of these guys but still at the same base then linger long enough for them to give chase, or if you can tank them for long enough for your buddies to warp in you might do some damage.

anyways your killboard looks like you guys need to cordinate like these guys appear to be doing. do we have a link to their killboard?

[Morat20]

you cant expect to successfully pilot a bs with less than 10-14 mill skill points, it would be suicide if these guys are in fact veteran players, altho a high sec corp tends to say otherwise. do you guys have jump clones? that you can use to get out of the camped system? you cannot travel alone either in these systems at war..  since you all have low sp you should focus on getting throw away frigs/cruisers and then come at them in force. if you can focus on one bs and take it down then they might start seeing you guys in a new light. you need to have plenty of ships in system or close by that if you lose yours you can get back out on the front asap. stay in station till you have a small force and undock together. this peace meal attacking you are doing doesnt seem to be paying off.

also if you can set bookmarks out of range of these guys but still at the same base then linger long enough for them to give chase, or if you can tank them for long enough for your buddies to warp in you might do some damage.

anyways your killboard looks like you guys need to cordinate like these guys appear to be doing. do we have a link to their killboard?

Also, have you tried using ammunition in your guns? It's a good trick!

[Flinky]

hang on here, im confused, so i was thinking about re enabling my account to get in on some of this action when i pulled up your killboard, and it looks like these guys are kicking your asses, granted  i see you got two battleships but that was a long time ago and you guys just lost a rokh and megathron the other day? see for yourself at:

http://f13.7mph.com/

whats the story behind all of this? it sounds to me like you guys are the ones getting griefed. why do i want to join your corp? i have 27mil sp, and several tech2 ships like the crow, manti, and so on with a focus in jamming and t2 large rails.

i just expected more the way you guys were pumping this up

Its cool, its cool. We've got them right where we want them!

[Morat20]

Its cool, its cool. We've got them right where we want them!

Just in case reading this whole thread was too hard, you ARE aware that this war was started because the very small F13 EVE group was bored, and consists mostly of new players and alts taken from regular posters here?

We're fighting for shits and giggles, man. We indeed have them exactly where we want them -- which is shooting at us. Everything after that is just gravy.

[vayeight]

Its cool, its cool. We've got them right where we want them!

Just in case reading this whole thread was too hard, you ARE aware that this war was started because the very small F13 EVE group was bored, and consists mostly of new players and alts taken from regular posters here?

We're fighting for shits and giggles, man. We indeed have them exactly where we want them -- which is shooting at us. Everything after that is just gravy.

yeah thats cool i hear ya.. hi-sec is a nice safe place for pvp compared to low sec and 00 where you cant choose your fights.

[Morat20]

yeah thats cool i hear ya.. hi-sec is a nice safe place for pvp compared to low sec and 00 where you cant choose your fights.

Why would we go to low-sec? We'd have to have required ops and guard shit and run mining ops and generally do a lot of work. That's hardly any fun.

[Flinky]

Its cool, its cool. We've got them right where we want them!

Just in case reading this whole thread was too hard, you ARE aware that this war was started because the very small F13 EVE group was bored, and consists mostly of new players and alts taken from regular posters here?

We're fighting for shits and giggles, man. We indeed have them exactly where we want them -- which is shooting at us. Everything after that is just gravy.

Hey hey don't get stuck in at me, I'm IN this fight!

We DO have them where we want them, I wasn't trying to be glib 

[Endie]

Oh man, like Slayerik, I am experiencing an awful temptation to bring my main into this fight.

It must be frustrating, though, for our targets: they know that heading

By the way, to any casual observers, after drawing them back to Sankassen last night, we left them there and spent a while hunting down and coming within a few minutes of hitting one of their mission runners.  That's the third time that we've come within an ace of doing that, including once having a covops sitting watching one (I was just two jumps out when time ran out).  Very frustrating!

Nobody should ever be camped into Sankassen unless they want to be.  They sit around in ravens and the like which can't lock a frigate/shuttle in less than forever.

[Thrawn]

Nobody should ever be camped into Sankassen unless they want to be.  They sit around in ravens and the like which can't lock a frigate/shuttle in less than forever.

Heh, yeah, I've never really considered myself "camped".  If I want to go elsewhere I just undock in a shuttle and they usually don't even begin to lock me before I'm gone.  Then just jump somewhere else I have a ship docked at to run missions and come back when I feel like it.

[Valmorian]

Space flight sims have been a dead genre for a while.  If the single-player genre is dead, I don't see how anyone would even consider making a MMO.   Sucks that it's like Firefly, in that it seems there are a lot of fans, but in reality not enough people are interested to make it profitable.

I hear that, but I'm not convinced that it is the case.  That is, I admit there aren't any good space sims out there, but I'm not convinced that a good one wouldn't be successful.  Before EvE came out, people would have said the same thing about space based economic SIMs ala Elite, but that's effectively what EvE is. 

Are you suggesting that Eve would somehow have become LESS successful if the spaceflight/combat part had been more sim-ish?

[WayAbvPar]

and mining in high-sec is about as interesting and profitable as watching paint dry.

You're mining the wrong stuff.  Still boring, though.  Unless they removed all empire ice....

I did some ice mining too, but I was trying to mine enough mins to make ships. Ice mining was for station fuel and such, wasn't it? Not terribly useful after our station got assploded.

[Krakrok]

you cant expect to successfully pilot a bs with less than 10-14 mill skill points, it would be suicide if these guys are in fact veteran players, altho a high sec corp tends to say otherwise. do you guys have jump clones? that you can use to get out of the camped system? you cannot travel alone either in these systems at war..  since you all have low sp you should focus on getting throw away frigs/cruisers and then come at them in force. if you can focus on one bs and take it down then they might start seeing you guys in a new light. you need to have plenty of ships in system or close by that if you lose yours you can get back out on the front asap. stay in station till you have a small force and undock together. this peace meal attacking you are doing doesnt seem to be paying off.

I prefer to log in for 5 minutes, undock, wait until they open up with all of their cruise missiles, redock, repeat and then log off. I consider that a "win" in my book. But then I am easily amused.

Frankly, it wouldn't be any fun if they just died over and over. It would be like PvEing.

[Falwell]

I've been extremely tempted to give this a go for some time now. Major problem being not having a crew to run with. Most of my guild doesn't dig the scene so I just kept putting it off.

I played a good bit in beta, but I never got into the retail whatsoever.

My main interest would be on the trading / market side of things. Also, someone said you can do scientific research a few posts back? You've got my attention good sir.

Also do you gents have any kind of activity in the early morning hours? (7 - noon eastern) I'm a night shift guy so for all practical purposes I play on euro hours.

[Endie]

Also do you gents have any kind of activity in the early morning hours? (7 - noon eastern) I'm a night shift guy so for all practical purposes I play on euro hours.

That's midday to five pm here in the UK (and an hour later in continental Europe).  I tend to be around at those times at the weekend (when not playing rugby).  To be honest I don't even know who is on during the working day here, though.

[dbltnk]

Short update: I saw that you have accepted my first char into the corporation. Thanks for that. The problem is that I've started again on the next day as I couldn't stand his face (whi'd have thought) and the ugly choice of ships he had. I'm gonna get back to you guys with my new main in one or two days when I've managed to get me a good starting ship and some money. Then I'll be your pvp tackling slave for as long as you need me. =D

Hooray for quest grinding. Ahmm, I mean mission grinding ... *g*

[Kirth]

Think I'm gonna give this another try. Downloading the trial again now.

[Viin]

Short update: I saw that you have accepted my first char into the corporation. Thanks for that. The problem is that I've started again on the next day as I couldn't stand his face (whi'd have thought) and the ugly choice of ships he had. I'm gonna get back to you guys with my new main in one or two days when I've managed to get me a good starting ship and some money. Then I'll be your pvp tackling slave for as long as you need me. =D

Hooray for quest grinding. Ahmm, I mean mission grinding ... *g*

I can drop that guy, just post with your new char's name in the EVE<->F13 Name thread after/right before you submit a new app to the corp. :)

[Endie]

The problem is that I've started again on the next day as I couldn't stand his face (whi'd have thought) and the ugly choice of ships he had.

I made a minmatar and he looked so like the portrait of the Minmatar Gay Rights League guy that I had to delete it a couple of days later.

[Gets]

EVE Online puts the MMO in steam

EVE Online, the award winning massively multiplayer online (MMO) game from CCP, is coming to Steam, a leading platform for the delivery and management of PC games and digital content with over 13 million accounts worldwide.

To celebrate the launch of Steam's first massively multiplayer online game offering, a special 21-day trial period for EVE will be available, free of charge, to all Steam gamers. Steam gamers will also save $5 off their first full month of EVE Online.

http://www.steampowered.com/v/index.php?area=news&id=1414

[IainC]

EVE Online puts the MMO in steam

EVE Online, the award winning massively multiplayer online (MMO) game from CCP, is coming to Steam, a leading platform for the delivery and management of PC games and digital content with over 13 million accounts worldwide.

To celebrate the launch of Steam's first massively multiplayer online game offering, a special 21-day trial period for EVE will be available, free of charge, to all Steam gamers. Steam gamers will also save $5 off their first full month of EVE Online.

http://www.steampowered.com/v/index.php?area=news&id=1414

Apart from the 21 day trial and discounted first month, is there anything special about doing it via Steam (I don't have a Steam account myself)? Can they pay their subs via Steam every month? As the EvE client is a free download currently it seems a bit odd otherwise.

[Gets]

I was thinking about the exact same thing. Currently I use time-codes (see sig), since PayPal is my preferred method of payment right now. I use it through Steam as well. However, even with the exchange rate as it is, PayPal takes a hefty portion of middle-man fees.

Likely this is just EVE expanding it's advertisement as it has done a lot in the last year. A very nice offer none the less.

Edit: From eve-online.com

reported by CCP Wrangler | 2008.01.23 17:58:40 | NEW
Since the press release about EVE Online coming to Steam a few questions have popped up and we thought we should let everyone know a few more details .

    * EVE Online is not on Steam yet, it will be available there in the very near future.
    * Steam will be selling CD Keys only.

[dbltnk]

Short update: I saw that you have accepted my first char into the corporation. Thanks for that. The problem is that I've started again on the next day as I couldn't stand his face (whi'd have thought) and the ugly choice of ships he had. I'm gonna get back to you guys with my new main in one or two days when I've managed to get me a good starting ship and some money. Then I'll be your pvp tackling slave for as long as you need me. =D

Hooray for quest grinding. Ahmm, I mean mission grinding ... *g*

I can drop that guy, just post with your new char's name in the EVE<->F13 Name thread after/right before you submit a new app to the corp. :)

Done. Char to drop: "dbltnk". Char to invite: "Corebear". Thanks and see you IG.

[Grand Design]

Name:               vayeight
Posts:                3 (1.500 per day)
Position:            Terracotta Army (well, Aces up the Eighthole, or whatever.)
Date Registered: January 20, 2008, 02:32:09 PM
Last Active:        January 21, 2008, 10:50:24 AM

Priceless.  The spelling and grammar aren't quite good enough to be Dano's but not nearly bad enough to be PHEINIX.  And he's been such a longtime lurker that he is aware of the extremely lax spelling and grammar that f13 will tolerate.  It's not like anyone here has ever run someone off for not reading what they wrote before clicking 'post'.

At first, I was a little worried that they would attempt to infiltrate one of the corporations, but now I see that they can't scrape together enough uppercase letters and punctuation to even pass for a poster here.  Fuck.

The fact that they have resorted to (weak) attempts at lowering our morale while at the same time showing knowledge that only members of Aces or Bat would be aware of while masquerading as a lurker who was almost going to resub - its laughable.

Oh shit, I just realized that he has 'eight' in his name.  This is espionage of epic proportions.

Whoever picked these guys, I salute you.  Well done.

[Morat20]

Oh shit, I just realized that he has 'eight' in his name.  This is espionage of epic proportions.

Whoever picked these guys, I salute you.  Well done.

For some reason, they're under the impression we're a bunch of teenagers -- or this is our first MMORPG or something. Possibly because we wardecced them with a bunch of newb characters.

It was funny watching Dano when he inflitratred the F13 channel (we got lectures on having a secure channel -- the note about WARF13 escaped his Eagle Eye), but it got boring pretty fast.

[amiable]

Name:               vayeight
Posts:                3 (1.500 per day)
Position:            Terracotta Army (well, Aces up the Eighthole, or whatever.)
Date Registered: January 20, 2008, 02:32:09 PM
Last Active:        January 21, 2008, 10:50:24 AM

Priceless.  The spelling and grammar aren't quite good enough to be Dano's but not nearly bad enough to be PHEINIX.  And he's been such a longtime lurker that he is aware of the extremely lax spelling and grammar that f13 will tolerate.  It's not like anyone here has ever run someone off for not reading what they wrote before clicking 'post'.

At first, I was a little worried that they would attempt to infiltrate one of the corporations, but now I see that they can't scrape together enough uppercase letters and punctuation to even pass for a poster here.  Fuck.

The fact that they have resorted to (weak) attempts at lowering our morale while at the same time showing knowledge that only members of Aces or Bat would be aware of while masquerading as a lurker who was almost going to resub - its laughable.

Oh shit, I just realized that he has 'eight' in his name.  This is espionage of epic proportions.

Whoever picked these guys, I salute you.  Well done.

The hilarity of this thread was my impetus for re-subscirbing.  I will probably end up just carebearing in the noob corp, but this reminded me why I love this game.

[Grand Design]

Yes, feel the hate flow through you.

No, seriously, I spend 90% of my time dicking around in f13 corp waiting for the call to arms.

But I could play EvE while cuddling with Tenderheart Bear and I wouldn't consider it carebearing.

[UnSub]

Yes, feel the hate flow through you.

No, seriously, I spend 90% of my time dicking around in f13 corp waiting for the call to arms.

But I could play EvE while cuddling with Tenderheart Bear and I wouldn't consider it carebearing.

Of course, this being EVE, it would turn out that Tenderheart Bear was actually a double agent for Goonsquad who'd turn off key defences just before a surprise attack.

[Endie]

I don't want to worry you, but you're already infiltrated by goons.  In fact, we're thoroughly infiltrated by both sides of the big war. 

Do the people in US peak hours ever see our wartargets logged in?  They strike me as euro tz only, really.  Do we need a nice, easy mining alliance for the US people to cut their teeth on?